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Appeasement of Iran...
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Appeasement of Iran...
I have been wondering why everyone ignores Iran. The problem will not go away, it will just get bigger. First, Iran denies the UN weapon inspectors access to its nuclear reactors. The UN doesn't do anything, and really seems to be on Iran's side sometimes. Then, the president of Iran says all these bad things about Israel and Jews. For example, he has said "The jewish state is a cancerous tumor," and Israel (and the Jews) should be destroyed. Then, a Iran-based military group in Lebanon starts firing rockets into Israel, and they fight back (Please don't make angry posts claiming the innocence of Hezbullah, I'm talking about Iran taking over the world). The UN just lets the terrorists ride in their vans, and 'condemns' the terrorists. More recently, in Iraq, over a hundred soldiers were injured (two dead) when the Iraqi terrorists used chlorine gas in a bomb (Isn't chlorine gas a WMD?).
It is my theory that Iran is supplying the terrorists with soldiers, weapons, chlorine gas (which is also used for water treatment), to Iraq. My concern is also nuclear energy being used in Iran. Sure, the Iranians might not be making nuclear bombs. They don't need to make nuclear bombs. If they have nuclear reactors being used for something like power, then they are still producing polonium. Polonium is millions of times more poisonous then hydrogen cyanide, used by the Nazis to do what Iran would like to do (kill jews).
And now, Iran has taken 15 British soldiers hostage. They are being held as POWs when they were captured on Iraqi waters, by Iranians. They show videos showing the soldiers, but who knows how old those are? One day those 15 soldiers are alive, but the next hour they could be dead. It would take Iran the blink of an eye to kill all of them. How can everyone appease Iran like this?
Whilst I do not condone the actions of Iran, it must also be remembered that invading nations doesn't work - and talk like this could be construed as war mongering - as I live in Britain, the second most evil nation on Earth in modern times, i'm very conscious that internationally we've destroyed our reputation in favour of playing pal to an evil regime hell bent on world domination.

These are dangerous times.

I can see us in Iran within a year with tanks and sugar coated bullets.

But it wont solve anything.
Bear in mind that Ahmadinajad (SP) is just a puppet for Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Quote from duke_toaster :Bear in mind that Ahmadinajad (SP) is just a puppet for Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Nahh not really. Ahmadineshad has acted outside khameni's authority several times, and people started to like him even more for doing that.
In effect Ahmadineshad is creating the second islamic revolution which is proceeding as planned, because pretty much everyone in power now, were the students that started the first revolution.
I don't think Iran will give the hostages back, because that will be a sign of weakness and that is not what Iran wants right now. Right now Iran is seen as the number 1 islamic country throughout the islamic world, and they're loving it. Even the more moderate arab states want a piece of that, and are starting to act more hostile to america and israel.

I just hope the british won't bow too much for iran, and take a more aggressive stance, because right now they're just feeding the "monster".
The west has meddled in the affairs of the middle east for too long. Iraq is a mess because of British rule, the Israel/Palestine problem is a UN creation. The only way these problems will ever be resolved is if the west stop pissing about and allow them to sort it out amongst themselves. But of course that can't happen, because Israel would get flattened in the process, so we're stuck with things as they are.

Quote from wheel4hummer :And now, Iran has taken 15 British soldiers hostage. They are being held as POWs when they were captured on Iraqi waters, by Iranians.

They are not held as PoWs because we are not at war with Iran. Hilariously, this means their transgressions are not covered by the Geneva conventions - Iran are using the same loophole that the USA used to imprison (and continue to imprison, indefinitely and without charge) countless innocent muslims in their concentration camp in Cuba.

What goes around comes around.
Team America World Police.

Who voted the US and the UK rulers of the globe?, I certainly didn't, I don't even remember there being a vote, they should stay the f**k out of everyone else's problems and concentrate on their own.
the whole "world police" business seems to me to be a surviving ideology from the cold war where if a country wasn't with us, they were communist. so the US started making other country's politics its business. this estabilished the foundation for where the US is today.

now, the country has reached a time where the religious conservatives have gathered a larger portion of the gov't by doing what politicans do to get elected...lie to their constituents.

and now that these holier-than-thou types are in positions of power in the gov't, they see it as their "responsibility" to enforce their morality on the rest of the world, which doesn't work.

there needs to be a change in the mentality of the gov't and the US public that there is more than one religion, and that christianity is the only "right" way to believe. and we have to stop electing political leaders that are completely ignorant of this concept. we aren't the world police, and we should stop trying to assert ourselves globaly as such.
Quote from glyphon :the whole "world police" business seems to me to be a surviving ideology from the cold war where if a country wasn't with us, they were communist. so the US started making other country's politics its business. this estabilished the foundation for where the US is today.

now, the country has reached a time where the religious conservatives have gathered a larger portion of the gov't by doing what politicans do to get elected...lie to their constituents.

and now that these holier-than-thou types are in positions of power in the gov't, they see it as their "responsibility" to enforce their morality on the rest of the world, which doesn't work.

there needs to be a change in the mentality of the gov't and the US public that there is more than one religion, and that christianity is the only "right" way to believe. and we have to stop electing political leaders that are completely ignorant of this concept. we aren't the world police, and we should stop trying to assert ourselves globaly as such.

Amen brother.

Policy of both countries is hypocrytical in the extreme, nuclear weapons are bad period, but some nations are "allowed" to have them, but others aren't? quite how that works I'll never know.......
its a simple policy enacted by simpletons...if you are our friends, you get nukes. if you aren't, you don't get nukes.
Quote from danowat :Amen brother.

Policy of both countries is hypocrytical in the extreme, nuclear weapons are bad period, but some nations are "allowed" to have them, but others aren't? quite how that works I'll never know.......

The countries that don't talk about wiping out an entire race are allowed to have nukes. That's how.
Quote from thisnameistaken :The only way these problems will ever be resolved is if the west stop pissing about and allow them to sort it out amongst themselves. But of course that can't happen, because Israel would get flattened in the process, so we're stuck with things as they are.

Israel has survived plenty of times without backing of the west, the irgun even had to fight the west...
The main problem with the western countries that exert their powers in the ME, is that they don't have a clue how the things work there, and that has created the most mess.
But after 40 years the west still has no idea how work their relationships in the ME, they even look stupid in the eyes of many Arab governments.
And the best example of that now is Great Britain.
Quote from wheel4hummer :The countries that don't talk about wiping out an entire race are allowed to have nukes. That's how.

LOL how ironic is that, so you are allowed to have weapons of mass destruction if you don't talk about using them LMAO.

The US and the UK governments like to perpetuate fear, and they do it very well, almost along the lines of brain-washing.
Quote from danowat :LOL how ironic is that, so you are allowed to have weapons of mass destruction if you don't talk about using them LMAO.

Yea lets give Iran nukes, because we're all equal right? And especially don't look at Iran's track record with WMD's
Quote from mikey_G :Yea lets give Iran nukes, because we're all equal right? And especially don't look at Iran's track record with WMD's

NO ONE should have them, but what gives ANYONE the right to say who should or shouldn't have them?
Quote from danowat :NO ONE should have them, but what gives ANYONE the right to say who should or shouldn't have them?

The willingness of using the nukes to wipe out other countries?
Pfff.....it's a stupid arguement, it doesn't make sense
Well, sorry for English not being my mother language...
let me put it another way.

If someone would give everyone in a classroom guns, because of the sake of equality, would you feel comfortable with the school bully that beats everyone up having a gun too?
World police is good. Note: thanks to Iraq war, Libya decided to become a harmless nice sheep, at least in the international affairs, because Kaddafi isn't that stupid to mess with Americans. The UN never had such efficiency, for instance I don't remember a local conflict that UN would manage to resolve.
Quote from detail :World police is good. Note: thanks to Iraq war, Libya decided to become a harmless nice sheep, at least in the international affairs, because Kaddafi isn't that stupid to mess with Americans. The UN never had such efficiency, for instance I don't remember a local conflict that UN would manage to resolve.

That's right. If you talk the language everyone knows in teh ME, people will listen. Unfortunately America didn't finish the job in Iraq well, and even asked syria and iran to help with iraqi internal affairs, which "helped" the image of america a lot...
Quote :The willingness of using the nukes to wipe out other countries?

In which case, why are America allowed them? Given that they are the only country to have EVER deployed a nuclear weapon in anger... And they did it twice at that!
Yeah I wish the US would stay out of the rest of the worlds B.S. problems...
let you morons solve your own damn problems... trouble is - you don't!
The Middle East... the only real reason that they are so anti-Israel is because
that is the only common agreement they seem to have. they really could care less about Palestinians. Hmmm, say that there was no Israel. Do you people really think that all would be peaceful there? LOL no way. Jerusalem and Tel Aviv would be killing fields dominated by rival islamic factions, making what's going on now look like a European soccer match.
And Iraq? LOL it was simply a matter of time before that country imploded.
At least this way there is some sort of half assed control there. If we didn't "invade" (i'm sorry, but desert storm wasn't over, there were no treaties signed) it would be a definite middle east slug fest with all sorts of nations, groups and what-not killing for them oil fields. And that conflict WOULD spread throughout the region, possibly spilling into Europe. Think Arab/ Persian - Shiite/Sunni.
I'm sorry, but you are either horribly misinformed or totally delusional if you think all this is the fault of the Evil Empire of the US of A.
But you're gonna think what you're gonna think.

As for Iran taking british hostages (that's what they are), it's simply because the U.K. is considered the weak link in the chain and the link with the most influence over the USA.
And I sincerely hope you people don't actually believe Iran's nuclear ambitions are for peaceful purposes.
Quote from Becky Rose :In which case, why are America allowed them? Given that they are the only country to have EVER deployed a nuclear weapon in anger... And they did it twice at that!

because they are the ones that came up with the policy, and they aren't going to exclude themselves. sounds like a ridiculous answer, but sadly, i think that's pretty accurate.
Quote from Racer Y :
I'm sorry, but you are either horribly misinformed or totally delusional if you think all this is the fault of the Evil Empire of the US of A.

I'm sorry, but if you DON'T think that then you are just a vitcim of your countries political BS.

USA is a evil as any other country, they have killed as many people as any other nation, all in the name of "world peace", like Becky says, the US is the ONLY country EVER to have used an atomic weapon in anger, 200,000+ people killed in one fell swoop
Quote from Racer Y :And I sincerely hope you people don't actually believe Iran's nuclear ambitions are for peaceful purposes.

And even if they are using nuclear reactors for peaceful purposes, there are plenty of radioactive waste products produced by regular power-plant nuclear reactors. In the USA, it is against a rule put in by the nuclear reglatory commision to re-process plutonium. But in Iran, they could easily take the plutonium produced and make a simple bomb (which they probally already have, since they have ties with Russia and such). It's not like the US is going to nuke anyone. We have missile defense systems that keep other nukes out of our country. But, if the US wanted to, they could launch a nuclear warhead, but that is not very likely.

If there is some sort of 'nuclear war' with everyone nuke-ing eachother, I am going to move to Iceland...
I think if there's a nuclear war it'd be much better to simply kill yourself, save dying in hideous agony from radiation poisoning if you're not fortunate enough to die in a direct blast.

There is no winner of a nuclear war.

Except maybe cockroaches...

Appeasement of Iran...
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