Give it time
by the amount of US bonds they are buying they will be able to buy all the car componies in the world shortly 
and we will be all driving Chinese imports 
Is that bad enough for you 
Give it time
by the amount of US bonds they are buying they will be able to buy all the car componies in the world shortly and we will be all driving Chinese imports Is that bad enough for you Well, yeah. It's based more of the idea that you vote goes for the party, it's old fashioned thinking now of course. It seems there would be a change for that, which would mean development for the advantage of the smaller parties. But in my previous post I was referring to the President elections, it's far more important in the US when it comes to power. The worst thing honestly is the two major parties, it's ridiculous. Somehow it mirrors the US foreign policy thinking where if you are not for us, you are against us. There is right and wrong, white and black.
And yay, we have 4 man underground revolution group....better buy some more beer.
We all would be drive Cherys that would be awful indeed, see how excited this really beautiful model is about car, if models can't get excited from such car it really must be boring
Blackout, we would have had quite many revolutions already at friday/saturday nights but they decide always to get good night sleep so they can start it fresh in the morning and when they wake up, from some reason whole idea feels stupid ;D
They are fast too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ;mode=related&search=
Notice the excellently skilled driving
decided to copy my sentence and change location?
dunno i dont think you know what its like here...
show me a place that is like that... honestly
because i know there aren't any
@hankstar, no he ran them in and within the 60 day period congress declared war
It's not that bad in the more civilized parts of Africa, but even here, in SA which is meant to be the best Africa has to offer, it's not that great. Still, I don't think it's something for Bush to interfere in.
It's not 100% Bush's decision you know. The USA is like microsoft windows, and George Bush is like the user. Congress decides on something, and then a little pop-up window asks bush Yes, No, or cancel.
I don't think any of us Brits should jump onto the 'stupid americans' bandwagon, after all didn't we use to pretty much control what went on in Africa in a similar way?
However I still think its a stupid thing to do, if it was a game of Risk I would suspect Bush had got the world domination card.
However I still think its a stupid thing to do, if it was a game of Risk I would suspect Bush had got the world domination card.
briezh, I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
let's face it, since we're the toughest kid on the block, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. just that simple.
I really like how some of them think that Gore would've been SOO much better as a president.... Maybe it's cause he invented the internet?
cause he hugs trees? Maybe it's his socialist style attitude?
Oh and I don't really remember the exact instances, but the other guys commited acts of election fraud as well... Oh wait I do know of one.
If you're an American in an American labor union of some sort. you run into that problem... alot. If you have any conservative (republican) view points you best keep them to yourself otherwise you could find yourself black balled, meaning no work and usually some "pacifist liberal" will vandalize your car.
When I first heard that, I didn't really believe it. But when I talked to a good friend of mine who is in the IBEW (electrician's union) he pretty much told me the same exact thing. In fact he was telling me about some poor dumb ass that showed up to the hall with a Bush/cheney sticker on his car and he was blackballed and they shot out his windows. So much for the peace loving party of Gore, huh? When I was in the ILA (longshoreman's local #28) they had STRONGLY advised us to vote for democrat party candidates and tried to register everyone as straight ticket members.
Which, come to think of it was a waste of time since almost everyone there has felony records and can't vote (LOL I don't have any felonies so I can still vote )
I don't know why the union members keep fooling themselves with the illusion that the Democratic party is really pro-labor. they just want the votes. Just as bad as people believing the Republicans are pro family values.
Also, we're gonna have fun with the 2nd amendment again once Hillary becomes president again.
But about Africa.
Do you eurotypes actually think more than 5 seconds ahead? Do you have any idea whatsoever what Africa is going to be like as a whole in the next 20 years if things continue along the current path?
Lemme guess. Y'all have all the faith in the world in the U.N. and the African Union straightening things out huh? I especially love their remarkable progress in Darfur.
me personally? I don't think an American military presence in Africa will do a damn bit of good. I also think that Africa's woes can be indirectly attributed to EUropean Colonialism. So don't be whining to us about this one.
I would say the Eurotypes ought to handle this, but they still hopelessly believe that diplomacy and dialogue will prevail.
Trust me on this. I come from one a those areas in America where "every kid has a gun". When you're you're dealing with a two digit IQ type that shot his way into power and now thinks he's divine, diplomacy is just not gonna work. Neither are sanctions. and Dialogue? please.....
Where I come from "dialogue" is what a wimp does to try to avoid getting their ass kicked.
But that's OK blame Bush. it seems to make you feel better.
And please, no more one sided facts. it gets old.
let's face it, since we're the toughest kid on the block, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. just that simple.
I really like how some of them think that Gore would've been SOO much better as a president.... Maybe it's cause he invented the internet?
cause he hugs trees? Maybe it's his socialist style attitude?
Oh and I don't really remember the exact instances, but the other guys commited acts of election fraud as well... Oh wait I do know of one.
If you're an American in an American labor union of some sort. you run into that problem... alot. If you have any conservative (republican) view points you best keep them to yourself otherwise you could find yourself black balled, meaning no work and usually some "pacifist liberal" will vandalize your car.
When I first heard that, I didn't really believe it. But when I talked to a good friend of mine who is in the IBEW (electrician's union) he pretty much told me the same exact thing. In fact he was telling me about some poor dumb ass that showed up to the hall with a Bush/cheney sticker on his car and he was blackballed and they shot out his windows. So much for the peace loving party of Gore, huh? When I was in the ILA (longshoreman's local #28) they had STRONGLY advised us to vote for democrat party candidates and tried to register everyone as straight ticket members.
Which, come to think of it was a waste of time since almost everyone there has felony records and can't vote (LOL I don't have any felonies so I can still vote
) I don't know why the union members keep fooling themselves with the illusion that the Democratic party is really pro-labor. they just want the votes. Just as bad as people believing the Republicans are pro family values.
Also, we're gonna have fun with the 2nd amendment again once Hillary becomes president again.
But about Africa.
Do you eurotypes actually think more than 5 seconds ahead? Do you have any idea whatsoever what Africa is going to be like as a whole in the next 20 years if things continue along the current path?
Lemme guess. Y'all have all the faith in the world in the U.N. and the African Union straightening things out huh? I especially love their remarkable progress in Darfur.
me personally? I don't think an American military presence in Africa will do a damn bit of good. I also think that Africa's woes can be indirectly attributed to EUropean Colonialism. So don't be whining to us about this one.
I would say the Eurotypes ought to handle this, but they still hopelessly believe that diplomacy and dialogue will prevail.
Trust me on this. I come from one a those areas in America where "every kid has a gun". When you're you're dealing with a two digit IQ type that shot his way into power and now thinks he's divine, diplomacy is just not gonna work. Neither are sanctions. and Dialogue? please.....
Where I come from "dialogue" is what a wimp does to try to avoid getting their ass kicked.
But that's OK blame Bush. it seems to make you feel better.
And please, no more one sided facts. it gets old.
good post racery
i'm sick of everyone blaming bush, he honest to God has so little power than what everyone else thinks
i'm sick of everyone blaming bush, he honest to God has so little power than what everyone else thinks
Problem with shooting people is that it spreads more anger and hate, therefore planting the seeds for the next conflict, anti-invader attitudes and
terrorism.
terrorism.
Now, as far as i remember, you guys had one real kind of war on your territory, and the one was between yourselfes (never mind WW, i mean urban territory). Now that, in first case, made it possible for you to become an economical superior party in the world, as all other had to rebuild their homes. And then, when s**t was starting to cool off, when people started to believe that war-games is about to end, the USA gets either bored, or is scared that it might loose their clients in weapon purchase, wich would mean (making numberz out) 15% drop in their yearly balance. So, they begin to make up some radical s**t, fighting some "invisible forces of death" wich has turned out to last for a very long time, and stil hasn't ended. And that you can't control things, was best seen on 9/11. There was this man, wich your inteligence trained back in cold war for a "crazy rushian maneuver", who hid himself as he was tired of USA telling him when to piss and eat all the time. A "product" of USA, wich shot down your pride. Now if people believe in god, it just might mean that he send you a warning, and it was ignored. Instead all hell broke loose, now soon we will see an american "starr trooper" on every "suspicius" corner all around the world, which in the end should mean: "DAMN LET'S ALL GET TOGETHER AND BOMB USA"! I mean seriously, if all those indians wouldnt smoke so much chiba back then, we wouldn't have a DEVIL called USA. But let's not go there.
If you look at the situation, we live in times where it is critical that we find sinergy and PEACE soon, or else we're gonna run out of "GOODS" and then, it wont be time for rearange our style of life, as we need time to adapt. And it looks at the moment that USA is after all the "GOODS" thats left. What will then be? Remaining world is gonna be a "slave" to a mighty America. Well i dont want that. But as i sit here at home, i dont have the power to change that. I just bloddy hope i don't live it out to see it happen.
You know the Earth is getting smaller and smaller every day. And as technology evolves, soon there will be some weapon which will be able to split mama Earth on two, and end it all. And if we don't look deep in our selves, and "COOL THE F**K DOWN", we shall destroy everything. WE, are the Earths ZERO hour.
Now this is my personal opinion, it does not affect my driving on LFS tracks, so don't kill me when u see me on track.
OT
You named the place in your orig. text: Africa.
Sarcasm, anyone?
But hey, I'll take my sarcasm back if you actually have been living in Africa. Otherwise if you've gotten your impression about gun-filled-africa from third-hand-soruces, then I can justify my claim by the same thing.
/OT
You named the place in your orig. text: Africa.
Sarcasm, anyone?
But hey, I'll take my sarcasm back if you actually have been living in Africa. Otherwise if you've gotten your impression about gun-filled-africa from third-hand-soruces, then I can justify my claim by the same thing.
/OT
People blame world leaders for things they don't like the sound of because as often as not it's those world leaders who make the announcements.
The original poster quotes an article which states that it is the President not any of the heads of department who rubber stamped the deal. Like every poilitician I can remember the name of Mr Bush likes publicity whether or not he is the architect or the administrator of what he's announcing. As for the somewhat cynical reception the notion appears to be getting in this thread, well it's necessary to consider recent history. Without picking over the bones of a long dead horse it's safe to say that neither the English nor the Americans have covered themselves in glory in the Middle East in recent times, thus it's natural for the rest of the world to be a little wary of announcements like this one.
As for what the notion appears to stand for, well Africa has been busily destroying itself for longer than I've been around, after all Band Aid and Live 8 came about at least in part because the interminable small wars on the continent are at least partly responsible for the misery endured by millions. Thus in principle at least sending in the big boys who have the power to make the bad guys go and stand in the naughty corner seems to be a good one. The trouble is that there will be as many opinions on in whose image Africa should be recast as there are people who are consulted. Whatever happens Africa is a problem without a quick solution and a problem that needs fixing at grass roots level. The coat of glossy paint and a "hey look we made the problem go away" approach won't work because the problem will only come back as soon as the jackboot of imperialist facism/defenders of people's peace, rights and security [delete according to opinion] leaves. Does America have the willpower, the manpower and the stomach to see more of its servicepeople killed in a foreign war to stay the course? we'll see.
I suppose ultimately it boils down to this - can we as citizens of "civilised" and "developed" countries sit by and watch as other parts of the world go to hell in a handcart and do nothing about it? Even though we know that if we do get involved it's far more likely that history will castigate us than laud us.
The original poster quotes an article which states that it is the President not any of the heads of department who rubber stamped the deal. Like every poilitician I can remember the name of Mr Bush likes publicity whether or not he is the architect or the administrator of what he's announcing. As for the somewhat cynical reception the notion appears to be getting in this thread, well it's necessary to consider recent history. Without picking over the bones of a long dead horse it's safe to say that neither the English nor the Americans have covered themselves in glory in the Middle East in recent times, thus it's natural for the rest of the world to be a little wary of announcements like this one.
As for what the notion appears to stand for, well Africa has been busily destroying itself for longer than I've been around, after all Band Aid and Live 8 came about at least in part because the interminable small wars on the continent are at least partly responsible for the misery endured by millions. Thus in principle at least sending in the big boys who have the power to make the bad guys go and stand in the naughty corner seems to be a good one. The trouble is that there will be as many opinions on in whose image Africa should be recast as there are people who are consulted. Whatever happens Africa is a problem without a quick solution and a problem that needs fixing at grass roots level. The coat of glossy paint and a "hey look we made the problem go away" approach won't work because the problem will only come back as soon as the jackboot of imperialist facism/defenders of people's peace, rights and security [delete according to opinion] leaves. Does America have the willpower, the manpower and the stomach to see more of its servicepeople killed in a foreign war to stay the course? we'll see.
I suppose ultimately it boils down to this - can we as citizens of "civilised" and "developed" countries sit by and watch as other parts of the world go to hell in a handcart and do nothing about it? Even though we know that if we do get involved it's far more likely that history will castigate us than laud us.
exactly... hence i guess we are going into Africa for this reason, thousands of people die each day in Africa as their towns are being taken over by guerillas
@julppo... you really make no sense at all to be honest
"America now invading Africa..... "
Oh no it's the British Empire all over again lol
Oh no it's the British Empire all over again
lolAnd you've only just caught on to this ?....
There has been a call among liberals in America that we need to focus our military resources away from the Middle East and into Africa; for example, the situation in Darfur and the Sudan.
Now keep in mind that our current president does alot of compromises with the democrats, and he not a true conservative, but a RINO (republican in name only). If anything, he is a centrist president, like what we here have had for many years. Oh, the politicians make it look like they are strongly liberal or conservative when campaigning....
I myself also dislike our 2 party system, being that I am neither liberal of conservative, but a libertarian.
And I would like to see someday, America run on more than 2 dominant parties. I like how Germany is set up, even though some of the political parties are just plain silly, it encourages debate and fairness of laws.
So we are now focusing our military in Africa, and the rest of the world gets bent out of shape for. Let me repeat again, the American LIBERALS want our military might focused in Africa. In my opinion, I see no need to be there yet, we need to first babysit the Middle East, make sure the floor is swept, chase out the rats and cockroaches, and then let them squabble with each other again, like they have for the past 5,000 years.
So why is Africa screwed up? Well, nationalism for one. Like the Middle East, there is hatred among countrys that have existed for a millenia. Then in the 1960's, silly socialist governments with equally silly, unrealistic ideas started popping up, drawing borders to force nomads to stay put. Instead of tribal warfare, whole countries gather up the warriors and face off with each other. Does that make the Africans uncivilized? Hardly. But like the Middle East, ignorance and hatred is easily passed on from one generation to another.
So, anyone who is from the UK, Germany France or the Netherlands can zip it, we are about to clean up a mess you all started!
Now keep in mind that our current president does alot of compromises with the democrats, and he not a true conservative, but a RINO (republican in name only). If anything, he is a centrist president, like what we here have had for many years. Oh, the politicians make it look like they are strongly liberal or conservative when campaigning....
I myself also dislike our 2 party system, being that I am neither liberal of conservative, but a libertarian.
And I would like to see someday, America run on more than 2 dominant parties. I like how Germany is set up, even though some of the political parties are just plain silly, it encourages debate and fairness of laws.
So we are now focusing our military in Africa, and the rest of the world gets bent out of shape for. Let me repeat again, the American LIBERALS want our military might focused in Africa. In my opinion, I see no need to be there yet, we need to first babysit the Middle East, make sure the floor is swept, chase out the rats and cockroaches, and then let them squabble with each other again, like they have for the past 5,000 years.
So why is Africa screwed up? Well, nationalism for one. Like the Middle East, there is hatred among countrys that have existed for a millenia. Then in the 1960's, silly socialist governments with equally silly, unrealistic ideas started popping up, drawing borders to force nomads to stay put. Instead of tribal warfare, whole countries gather up the warriors and face off with each other. Does that make the Africans uncivilized? Hardly. But like the Middle East, ignorance and hatred is easily passed on from one generation to another.
So, anyone who is from the UK, Germany France or the Netherlands can zip it, we are about to clean up a mess you all started!
I just would think that there are more important things to do than go and save other countries, like saving own country to start with, but it seem not to be important for current politics at all.
Surely that money that goes to military they could make almost all problems at home to disappear, also there are lot of not so bright people that will join to path of terror only because one country is trying to make others dance how they like, that is causing again more places to go babysitting and again more people will join to path of terror and again more babysitting needed, endless loop.
Economy of US is not going to take this for long, loans are so big that it is not likely they will get them paid ever unless they take some actions. Of course comes to mind that are they indeed taking actions like these from that reason?
I would like to see how every country would mind their own business and not to mix up how others do theirs, too bad that is quite impossible dream as is disappearing of all religions, football, drugs and alcohol, even without those there would be ton less problems (well then we would have something else, human mind is creative and rather stupid).
Surely that money that goes to military they could make almost all problems at home to disappear, also there are lot of not so bright people that will join to path of terror only because one country is trying to make others dance how they like, that is causing again more places to go babysitting and again more people will join to path of terror and again more babysitting needed, endless loop.
Economy of US is not going to take this for long, loans are so big that it is not likely they will get them paid ever unless they take some actions. Of course comes to mind that are they indeed taking actions like these from that reason?
I would like to see how every country would mind their own business and not to mix up how others do theirs, too bad that is quite impossible dream as is disappearing of all religions, football, drugs and alcohol, even without those there would be ton less problems (well then we would have something else, human mind is creative and rather stupid).
No kidding.. the Mexican border holds no one out, nearly everyone in, except for the Mexican military, which gets to trespass and shoot at Americans, pretty much daily.
Illegal immigrants are not deported. The police will sooner arrest you for riding without a helmet, than notice the illegal passed out on the street, beer in one hand and a patch of fresh pee on the nearest wall.
Laws in place to deal with illegal immigration are not enforced, and as far back as the 60s-70s, politicians have had illegals show up to voting booths with fake IDs provided.
It would be simple to just apply the existing laws that would jail or otherwise severly penalize hiring illegals. It would give illegal immigrants no reason to immigrate, and would allow for a legal system to be put in place to employ necessary labor legaly, as opposed to having the parasites leeching away.. But Republicans like the cheap labor, and Liberals the cheap votes.. and the Mexican govt. the money sent back home. It even prints guides to succesful illegal immigration into the US.
And that's just one of the things worth as much attention as Iraq has gotten.
Illegal immigrants are not deported. The police will sooner arrest you for riding without a helmet, than notice the illegal passed out on the street, beer in one hand and a patch of fresh pee on the nearest wall.
Laws in place to deal with illegal immigration are not enforced, and as far back as the 60s-70s, politicians have had illegals show up to voting booths with fake IDs provided.
It would be simple to just apply the existing laws that would jail or otherwise severly penalize hiring illegals. It would give illegal immigrants no reason to immigrate, and would allow for a legal system to be put in place to employ necessary labor legaly, as opposed to having the parasites leeching away.. But Republicans like the cheap labor, and Liberals the cheap votes.. and the Mexican govt. the money sent back home. It even prints guides to succesful illegal immigration into the US.
And that's just one of the things worth as much attention as Iraq has gotten.
Well yeah, USA has it's own problems it should take care off. For example, how are the people and the city of New Orleans doing? Not even to mention what will happen to the economy.
But JTbo, how in the hell taking away sports and alcohol would make things any better in the world. Those are so tiny tiny fragments in the world, fine, they can make an argument on Friday night and you lose a tooth and have a bloody nose (solution: not hang around with idiots). But one bloody nose doesn't make a war. Well and religion, the opium of the people is of course, if overused, dangerous. Like any other drug. Banning anything is unfair for the people who have the sense to be reasonable. Overuse is what should be banned...and being idiot.
edit. I'm slow as a snail.
But JTbo, how in the hell taking away sports and alcohol would make things any better in the world. Those are so tiny tiny fragments in the world, fine, they can make an argument on Friday night and you lose a tooth and have a bloody nose (solution: not hang around with idiots). But one bloody nose doesn't make a war. Well and religion, the opium of the people is of course, if overused, dangerous. Like any other drug. Banning anything is unfair for the people who have the sense to be reasonable. Overuse is what should be banned...and being idiot.
edit. I'm slow as a snail.
Alcohol kills 10 times more than traffic, costs it causes to society (health care, crime, etc) are tremendous, religion and football are just things people tend to get too serious, life and death matters even both are hardly so.
You can't ban anything of these, if they would not exists human mind would find way to get same shit from other things, we can't force people to use their brains, there is just no anything to be done for such things in reality as I told before.
We could have 3 day work week with more wealth we could dream if world would be perfect place and if everyone acts so that it would be benefit for all, however world is not fair and certainly not perfect, but still we need to try to survive in here with ton of things we can't do nothing about, like US world conquering, oops, meant country saving
Good post dude
What I highlighted in bold is why I don't think we should try to have any permanent military installations in place there. I'm not afraid of conflict with local militants/insurgents/freedom fighters/holy warriors or whatever.
No, what would be the death knell would come from the political infighting
that would be generated from doing so. Also, I think it would be this nice "dog & pony" show at best. Another shining example of feel good politics.
LOL a crappy imitation of crappy UN policies only with attack helicopters.
And of course, we would just take out one Mugabe type and replace them with another Mugabe type. Not so much because we're the big bad empire, but because the pool of potential leadership there seems to be limited as such.
@ Jayhawk
Isn't it pretty funny in a non humorous way that we deployed National guard troops to both the southern border and to New Orleans. and that the national guards on the border are denied weapons, while in N.O. they have orders to shoot to kill?
As far as illegal immigration goes, I have very conflicting feelings about that issue.
A couple of years ago in a neighborhood a couple of neighborhoods north of mine, someone started this rumor amongst the illegal population that a major INS crackdown was imminent. Well. there was some sort of police action a couple of days later involving helicopters and different Law enforcement agencies. Cops everywhere. It set off a panic. something like 20,000 people disappeared overnight in fear of being rounded up & deported.
They were gone for like 2-3 days. Economically, it impacted the city with over 2 million dollars in lost revenue.
LOL at my job, my boss jokingly remarked he was going to insure he wasn't hit with hiring illegals by firing all the Mexicans (we don't have any illegals working there) So I asked him, Does that mean I can only work part-time?
Oh yeah another thing about Mexicans. as a single ethnic group (not that lame assed Hispanic crap - just Mexican) they have more recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor than any other ethnic group in this country.
ok one more thing. If y'all can find it, read a book called Lines & Shadows, by Joesph Wambaugh.
America now invading Africa.....
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