More importantly, experienced racers who drive cleanly set a good example for others to follow. If even the experienced people drive like they own the track, exactly what example do you expect the less experienced drivers to base their own racing on?
I have been following this thread with interest some good points have been made, I think the subject has been well covered.
What I have noticed that there have been posts from a few about hard clean racing all very true wish there was more racing like this in LFS, but the problem is SOME don't practice what they post.
This is your racecraft and competitiveness that makes you bumping people at T1, and end on the roof alone in the AS Cadet chicane at lap 2 ?
stop saying sh!t, you are both an arrogant and dirty racer. And hiding behind a famous name won't make you look a better racer.
By the way, competitiveness has nothing to do with being a clean racer or not. And the inverse is true. At all levels of competition you can see fair and unfair drivers.
It have had good and serious discussion this far. Don't sink so low and call eachother names, if you do the thread becomes useless and I'm going to get a mod to lock it.
I really think this is an interesting thing. But because everyone seems to have their own style of driving and if someone disagree it seems like the other fella is a duschebag.
EDIT: all of u are ****ing tossers and there is no point in this discussion, at the end of the day this is a racing sim and u guys drive like total pussies.
i am not a dirty racer atall, its just that u guys dont drive with the same level of agression as me and therefore wont get involved in as many accidents from retarded people doing stupid things infront.
Watch it Ayrton, keep it up and you may see yourself in some trouble.
Intense yes, just go outside for a while and get a breather, no need to worry about a game.
These are the rules that I use for most series on SCORE.
You may argue this and that, you may talk about how it is in real life and you may also dig deep into the rules and regulations on the official FIA site (like I did a couple of pages back in this thread), but the fact remains. If you come to race on my server, in my league, you go by these rules. If you don't, you're history.
Rules are rules and they differ form series to series. I have my rules, Clean Racers Club has their rules and STCC has their rules. Bottom line is, read and understand and then drive. Don't argue about something you can do nothing about.
Well, I read this thread with interest and at times amusement. I even posted in here to state my views on the matter. By now, I've actually come to the conclusion that most people who posted their views as well, are actually not as far apart as it may seem. Problem is, there are at least two people who have a certain way of expressing their views that is rather counterproductive. All this talk about "I'm a real racer and you don't know diddley" is just so full of arrogance and incapability to even begin to understand that there just may be other views which are not necessarily total bogus. Geez, give us a break! Afaik, all you guys are doing is karting! Correct? Yet, you act like you're full-blown F1-racers. Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
Well, I'm out of this thread now, as arguing with the immature has a tendency to irritate me.
Edit: Judging by this post, which I just reread, I'm plenty irritated already.
Lads, I have to say, I agree very much with AS 87 and Alan on this. Squeezing is part of the sport. Only reason why it may not be seen that often in racing sims is because racing in sims is nowhere near as serious as the real thing. Whenever I race with friends or my bro whenever we just head down to the karting center for some fun, particularly with my bro and myself, we push each other to the edge.
I'm sorry to say but those who believe squeezing is a dirty tactic, yes, I believe it is but when the level of competition is so high and theres a great prize or aim you could say which you can achieve if you pass the driver ahead, then be sure that every driver will push the boundries of racing rules.
Personally, something which I think ALL of motorsport lacks is nobility. Accepting that a driver outsmarted you and respecting him for it. I like to race noble but I also like to race hard and like AS 87 said, push my car, push my abilities and push the other driver or drivers to their limit. Thats how it should be done and thats what racing is all about.
Seriously, i had a race on a demo server with one guy from Serbia who races in real life, didn't get the chance to ask him what car because he pi**ed me off (It's probably the local Yugo races, search for Yugo on google, you'll know what car is it
It seems that they actually "teach" them to race like idiots... We were going side by side through BL finish straight aproaching T1, i presented him that i am next to him almost at the begging of the straight, and right before T1 he turned into me (he was outside, i was inside) and rammed me in the grass...
I told him that i'm gonna ban him the next time he does that, but he repliyed with something like "i was infront, i have the right to choose the way"! and other time i was chasing him down the BL finish straight again, he was infront, i went in his slipstream and start to go inside, he changed the direction and went inside, blocking me, ok, he has the right to do that, so i went outside, but again he changed his mind, and decided to also go outside?! (the ideal line) and i was like "wtf are u doing, you can't change direction 2 times while we aproach the corner",but again he said "off course i can, i am in front, i have the right to choose the way"
I don't know how i ressisted myself not to ban him, probably because he was fellow serbian, but i can't believe that this mentality is present in RL racing so much... who teaches them this behaviour?!
I have to say he might be kind of right. In real life the rules aren't as specific. The rules usually just say that dangerous driving is forbidden, but there is no specific rules about how many times you can change the lane on a straigth or how much overlap you need to have a right to a corner. The marshalls judge the incidents per incident. So if he was in front he had the right to do pretty much anything without dangering other drivers. Is all about how the marshalls see it in the end, so drivers are thought to push the limits to get the most advantage. In non-openwheeler racing in RL drivers actually use quite a lot of contact.
i believe after a few moves from schumacher the rules were specifically changed to read something alon the lines that youre allowed to make one defending move and youre allowed to return to the normal racing line after that
Then screw the CRC rules?
You can't change your direction two times for an upcoming corner, it's common sense, aren't the CRC rules aplied both in RL and in sims... C'mon now..