if you couldnt steer is YOUR OWN FAULT for putting yourself in that position. You are just a terrible driver, simple as that
It looks like you cant steer because your going too fast and the car is understeering. You're nowhere near the apex of the corner and you hit him.
The only person around here that's blind is you if you cant see that.
I'll keep out of this now. It's a waste of time because you absolutely refuse to believe it's your mistake.
Your obviously a fast racer, but you have no respect for the opposition.
Stick to hotlapping.
The only person around here that's blind is you if you cant see that.
I'll keep out of this now. It's a waste of time because you absolutely refuse to believe it's your mistake.
Your obviously a fast racer, but you have no respect for the opposition.
Stick to hotlapping.
good point, my rear slides a TINY bit just before contact is made. had i been on my own it would have been no issue, but unluckily enough general hit me at precisely the wrong moment, causing my car to alter balance real fast.
to sum it up, really unluky that i slid a tiny bit just before he hit me, but was a total racing incident.
interestingly enough, my speed just before my rear slid was 70mph, and his was 72, meaning i wasnt going too fast!!!
glad we got that sorted.
PS, about the fact that all of my tyres are red etc, u look at my car around most corners and it flicks between green and red alot, because im on the limit. i wasnt understeering after my tyres stop locking.
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look guys, im admitting that it was a racing accident and ive taken in your points and realised that it was no-ones fault, and ive shown to you that my speed wasnt too high and i WOULD have made it round the corner, so please can we leave it at that??? of course in any overtaking manuver there will be a speed difference at entry, but there isnt at the apex.
about the point that i was miles away from the kerb, i never hit the 1st kerb so i get a better run for the 2nd, and if u look, krawani was even further away!
to sum it up, really unluky that i slid a tiny bit just before he hit me, but was a total racing incident.
interestingly enough, my speed just before my rear slid was 70mph, and his was 72, meaning i wasnt going too fast!!!
glad we got that sorted.
PS, about the fact that all of my tyres are red etc, u look at my car around most corners and it flicks between green and red alot, because im on the limit. i wasnt understeering after my tyres stop locking.
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look guys, im admitting that it was a racing accident and ive taken in your points and realised that it was no-ones fault, and ive shown to you that my speed wasnt too high and i WOULD have made it round the corner, so please can we leave it at that??? of course in any overtaking manuver there will be a speed difference at entry, but there isnt at the apex.
about the point that i was miles away from the kerb, i never hit the 1st kerb so i get a better run for the 2nd, and if u look, krawani was even further away!
you did not slide a tiny bit you were sliding through the entire corner causing you to slide into al not the other way round
What i find "amazing" is that few meters from the small chicane you start turning right to cut the corner as much as possible - and you dont care that theres a driver on your right.
from the 2 pics i have just attached u can see my car aint sliding, i slid into the turn and just before contact was made, but it didnt alter my angle atall because the slide only happen about 2 tenths of a second before contact was made.
my speed is the same, it just happens that generals angle took him into the side of me a TINY bit.
cant we just call this a racing incident and let it rest? i didnt slide into anyone, it just so happens that a TINY bit of contact was made just as i slid which unbalanced the car once he just rubbed me a tiny bit. we are talking fractions here so blame lies with no-one.
if i was at fault id be the 1st to admit it.
my speed is the same, it just happens that generals angle took him into the side of me a TINY bit.
cant we just call this a racing incident and let it rest? i didnt slide into anyone, it just so happens that a TINY bit of contact was made just as i slid which unbalanced the car once he just rubbed me a tiny bit. we are talking fractions here so blame lies with no-one.
if i was at fault id be the 1st to admit it.
to be honest with u, i didnt know he was still there! because i cant see that way, as u can see from the picture, and i couldnt press the look button ebcause its on my mouse and i was just about to turn a corner!
everyone cuts the chicane in that manor tho
don i told him that yesterday ... he didnt even respond to it
look at the first pic i posted you slid into the corner with locked wheels entirely missing the apex and while you were already miles from the apex you started sliding again thus cutting the line al was on
no your side drifted wide cutting into als line
yes you did your car was all over the place _not_ making the turn but sliding wide
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that made my day thank you
which is entirely your fault
your car is pointing at the tyres _and_ youre steering even further to the right ... this is complete bs youre talking there
look at the first pic i posted you slid into the corner with locked wheels entirely missing the apex and while you were already miles from the apex you started sliding again thus cutting the line al was on
no your side drifted wide cutting into als line
yes you did your car was all over the place _not_ making the turn but sliding wide
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that made my day thank you
which is entirely your fault
your car is pointing at the tyres _and_ youre steering even further to the right ... this is complete bs youre talking there
m8, my wheels were locked for a fraction of a second whilst i got up the inside. look at 40 seconds on this video, do u not think there was a speed difference on the entry to that turn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kre35Pct0yA
ive taken in your point about my rear of the car sliding, but it only slid for about 0.2 seconds before contact was made, so how is that enough time for me to go infront of als line? the fact is, i was fully side by side at worst, partially infront at best and my car ALWAYS slides in tiny amounts in any turn!!! like i said, i am ALWAYS miles from the apex there, please read before posting the same things again and again.
and about cutting the chicane, i missed the tyres, the car understeers when it goes on grass (hence more lock) and as u can see, i didnt hit the tyres.
admittedly i got angry earlier, but in the last few posts ive tried my best to put my point across sensibly and by using pics, but u guys still seem to think that im being agressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kre35Pct0yA
ive taken in your point about my rear of the car sliding, but it only slid for about 0.2 seconds before contact was made, so how is that enough time for me to go infront of als line? the fact is, i was fully side by side at worst, partially infront at best and my car ALWAYS slides in tiny amounts in any turn!!! like i said, i am ALWAYS miles from the apex there, please read before posting the same things again and again.
and about cutting the chicane, i missed the tyres, the car understeers when it goes on grass (hence more lock) and as u can see, i didnt hit the tyres.
admittedly i got angry earlier, but in the last few posts ive tried my best to put my point across sensibly and by using pics, but u guys still seem to think that im being agressive.
Guy stop thinking about the end of the accident cause this is really not the problem. It's the position you put yourself in (and the problems that caused for others) when you entered that turn.
You went in to tight and to fast to make that pass clean, this is the problem, not the fact that you couldn't steer on the exit.
You went in to tight and to fast to make that pass clean, this is the problem, not the fact that you couldn't steer on the exit.
I'd really like to see the replay of that incident after reading so much about it and seeing all thos screenshots. Has it been posted and did I miss it? If not, could someoen maybe attach it? Just interested.
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Linsen
Thx
Linsen
There you go: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=26878
i honestly dont understand how i can make an overtaking manouver unless i am entering the corner faster than my opponent? at the apex, like i said before, my speed was actually lower than his!!!
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.1) stop comparing yourself to gilles your just emarrassing yourself
2) he was able to slow down enough to actually clip the apex while you werent
not in front of it but your 2 cars were very close to each other and any amount of sliding of the inside car would have cause it to alter its line in such a way that it intersects with the outsides
al didnt leave his line you however did causing the contact in the first place
then thats your fault ... you cannot simply drive on a line that cuts into the lines of drivers around _period_
fine but answer this one ... you complain about not being able to turn yet you claim you didnt know al was still there ... something doesnt add up does it ?
just an hour ago you called pretty much everyone here a moron
no way you can whipe that away ever again especially by not accepting the things you did wrong which were plenty ... if it was my server id have at least one kickworthy offense in each corner the sum of which makes it banworthy
it is a complex of 3 corners that all turn in the same direction ... all you have to do to pass there is get significant overlap into the first corner (which would easily enable you to slow down enough to actually make the corner and clip the apex) and youd be through by the time you reach the back straight
you will just have to accept that there is no way to pass someone fully on that turn especially not on a line as wide as yours so even if you didnt see him (your fault by the way) you would have to assume hes still there and therefore cannot make your car slide out as you did
You race in real life like this?
Its a pretty simple theory, you pull out, outbrake them a bit and stick to the apex of the turn as tight as you can, squeezing your opponent but giving them just enough space. What you dont do is throw the car in sideways about 5 meters away from the apex, slide into the other guys line, dont even attempt to dab the brakes or anything to try and seperate the 2 of you, then delibaretly steer towards the tyres to squeeze him into the barriers. Not to mention all the other incidents which you caused in lap 1, and your disregard for left/right buttons and actually caring about whats beside you.
Also, calling him an idiot and telling him to watch the replay is slightly ironic, having not seen the replay yourself.
i wasnt comparing myself to gilles i was jus showing that to overtake the car on the inside needs to enter the corner faster.
and i did clip my apex, like ive said MANY times before, i DONT APEX ON THE KERB. would al have hit the kerb of that turn if i wasnt there? no
i cant be bothered to read the rest of your post because ive TRIED to have a sensible discussion about this, but it seems u just make the same point over and over again even after ive explained in some massive list.
in any form of real life racing you would finish dead last and would end up crying always to the clerk of the course.
the slide you talk about happened for about 0.3 seconds which isnt enought time to react and the car hardly moves in that time, and it didnt force me infront of or into anyone. as ive said before.
glad you kept it sensible
sam if you read this do you think this replay is worthy of being on the barricade ?
id hardly call the 1st lap wrecking.
is it just me or is this thread no longer a general Inside / Outside discussion and has turned into a specific event? Hmm all i ask is please try to keep calm and not focus on a single event.. thats what that other thread is for... no?
from my understanding the barricade is there for more than just flat out wrecking
you mean the closed one ?
see my point here
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At approx 1m10 in that video they are side by side through T1, and Arnoux doesn't push Villeneuve off at all.
To overtake on the side you do not need to enter the corner faster at all. If anything, because you are now on the wrong line, you need to enter the corner slower. The overlap is acheived in the braking zone, or possibly before hand (exit speed from previous corner).
After the apex, if the person is still alongside on the outside, but does not have 'significant overlap', then you can return to the outside if it is safe to do so, and the other person should lift a bit. If the person on the outside has managed to retain significant overlap then the person on the inside should, as always, drive to avoid contact.
Modern karting is not a good place to learn or demonstrate passing techniques anymore.
I will not, and cannot comment on the pass currently in question, as I have not been reading the discussion since the beginning.
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