Quote from BlueFlame :

Thats exactly what GPL is, and what LFS isn't.

And how exactly is that a bad point for LFS?

And thats what I like with LFS
It`s easy to just plug up your wheel, connect to the master server, find a sergver you are pleased with and drive
No need to make it difficoult or very time spending, if you want you can do so by joining a league or compete in a competition

exactly, its a plug and play game, no commitment is inolved... what do F1 drivers have... Commitment.

Quote from BlueFlame :

exactly, its a plug and play game, no commitment is inolved... what do F1 drivers have... Commitment.

You can have a lot of commitment even if you don`t race that much, and if it`d only is a plug and play game
It`s what you do one THE TRACK the desides if and how much you commit to the game

Edit : and btw, lfs is harder than any other racing games to race, so it`s not just to "plug and play" eighter.

I havent played GPL online so i cant comment on it(or the 3 players) but i have had a good few onlince races in various cars with LFS'ers(public).
Basically you gota expect to be taken out and hope that the mighty gods(Scawen and co?) will make n00bcake disconnect and never come back.

I was on CD1 last nite and i only did two races. i started at the back of the grid in race one-half way up the stright(bout 15th pos' now) 1 person PIT manouverd another intu me so tht tuk me bk to around 19/20th but i carried on and was slow and steady by T1 i was in 12th and after that i started racing properly and ended up 6/7th iirc.

race two was much betterthere was almost no T1 trouble and i was racing my way all the way t 4th(quite good for me) i had a great 2 laps fighting for 3rd with a guy who knew hwo t race properly and chaged places bout 5 times during it till the inevtible. my skill(luck?) ran out and i messed up a lil i ended up in bout 9th =/

nuff of my life story-you have to expect to be destroyed and hope its not you

Quote from BlueFlame :

exactly, its a plug and play game, no commitment is inolved... what do F1 drivers have... Commitment.

What do F1 drivers have to do with LFS online racing?

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

I have played GPL online, It's just no fun becuase it's not like LFS where you can join and have a race, it requires more commitment in joining a league, or finding a group of friends to race online with.

Then how can you possibly comment on it, sounds to me you were just some noob who got fed up of waiting 20 minutes everytime you crashed. In GPL if you wanted to enjoy it you had to put the effort it, but it did pay off and one of the upsides is it got rid of people like you just constantly appearing out of the pits and finding something to crash into.

Quote from zeugnimod :

And how exactly is that a bad point for LFS?

It's one of LFS's strongest points, however it is also its Achilles heel, yes you can join and race straight away but the price you pay is people who don't mind crashing into you because they can just pit and start again. It also means there are far more noobs who just spin all over the place, a particular problem in the FO8s, which isn't even a hard car to drive, in GPL these kinds of people need to practice offline or in the beginner servers if they want to get anywhere online in the good servers.

Quote from ajp71 :

Then how can you possibly comment on it, sounds to me you were just some noob who got fed up of waiting 20 minutes everytime you crashed. In GPL if you wanted to enjoy it you had to put the effort it, but it did pay off and one of the upsides is it got rid of people like you just constantly appearing out of the pits and finding something to crash into.

Thanks Alex that has made my day!

Quote from BlueFlame :

exactly, its a plug and play game, no commitment is inolved... what do F1 drivers have... Commitment.

Are you saying that players that join up the big leagues, like the 24 hour-race that was going on at Kyoto a while ago (for example), or the STCC/CTRA (another example), isn't commited to the game? Are you saying that players that race up to 5-6 hours/day, or even longer time than that in public servers, isn't commited? Sheesh, commitment is surely involved in this game. Just like any other game where people are in love with the game and absolutely adore it. And look at all the extra programs that people are coding to LFS, PitSpotter for example. Do you think people are doing that because they aren't commited?

So, in short words: I have no idea how you can make a statement where you say that LFS is a plug-n-play-game built on non-comitted players. Because that's what you're saying eh?

Quote from mongoosetierney :

I was on CD1 last nite and i only did two races. i started at the back of the grid in race one-half way up the stright(bout 15th pos' now) 1 person PIT manouverd another intu me so tht tuk me bk to around 19/20th but i carried on and was slow and steady by T1 i was in 12th and after that i started racing properly and ended up 6/7th iirc.

That nicely illustrates the issue with just letting people rejoin and having a lenient damage model in LFS

Quote from ajp71 :

That nicely illustrates the issue with just letting people rejoin and having a lenient damage model in LFS

sorry iv just got up.lol. what do you mean, do you mean i shudn't have been able to carry on? or am i missing the point

Quote from [SWE]RE :

So, in short words: I have no idea how you can make a statement where you say that LFS is a plug-n-play-game built on non-comitted players. Because that's what you're saying eh?

Of course there are a lot who choose to be committed to LFS, generally those that post on the forum are the more committed group of people. Just because you can mid-race join onto a server and do a couple of quick races and then do something else doesn't make you uncommitted, many LFSers work towards leagues and big races like you said, they are committed, and guess what that's the best source of reliably clean racing. The public servers don't require commitment to join them but do to win on them. The uncommitted people are generally the types who spoil the races due to their lack of understanding and respect for both rules and unwritten codes of conduct, you can't reliably assume even a fast driver on a public server will be clean and give you room, where you can in leagues and generally, with a few exceptions, those that do the most driving are cleaner and will give you a better fairer race than those that don't know what they're doing.

Quote from mongoosetierney :

sorry iv just got up.lol. what do you mean, do you mean i shudn't have been able to carry on? or am i missing the point

No that you were able to just pick up so many places because others are pushing beyond their limits and crashing into everything that moves and a lot that doesn't. I had a similar situation on the CTRA single seater servers last night and it just gets boring after a while. Personally I'd rather finish dead last and have a good scrap fighting for it rather than cruise to a podium

Quote from ajp71 :

No that you were able to just pick up so many places because others are pushing beyond their limits and crashing into everything that moves and a lot that doesn't. I had a similar situation on the CTRA single seater servers last night and it just gets boring after a while. Personally I'd rather finish dead last and have a good scrap fighting for it rather than cruise to a podium

ahhh its all so clear! :rolleyes:

yes i understand what you mean well i wasnt crusing to the finish i did actully have to overtake and race with people lol

Quote from ajp71 :

Of course there are a lot who choose to be committed to LFS, generally those that post on the forum are the more committed group of people. Just because you can mid-race join onto a server and do a couple of quick races and then do something else doesn't make you uncommitted, many LFSers work towards leagues and big races like you said, they are committed, and guess what that's the best source of reliably clean racing. The public servers don't require commitment to join them but do to win on them. The uncommitted people are generally the types who spoil the races due to their lack of understanding and respect for both rules and unwritten codes of conduct, you can't reliably assume even a fast driver on a public server will be clean and give you room, where you can in leagues and generally, with a few exceptions, those that do the most driving are cleaner and will give you a better fairer race than those that don't know what they're doing.

Well spoken. I couldn't have said it much better myself.

Quote from ajp71 :

it just gets boring after a while. Personally I'd rather finish dead last and have a good scrap fighting for it rather than cruise to a podium

I agree to that, but also regarding CTRA, i would prefer to cruise :P

imo, THIS is racing. if you want to be on your own for 90% of the time, play offline or do hotlaps. racing is about coping with people around you all the time. no matter if they are much faster or much slower compared to you. racing is not about laptimes. if you can't get away from the guys who are not able to drive good, then you are at the same level as they are...

try to get around the usual T1 crashes, try to avoid crashing cars, work your ass up for a better starting position and so on...

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

...I find that the worst post since Cr!ticalDri!ft. ...

I thought it was pretty good advice.

It's quite chilled out, a nice break from racing, in the garden. And you can surprise your grandma which is better than any race win.

Quote from BlueFlame :

On LFS i give the reasonable amounts of room 'unless i make a mistake' when people are alongside , or overtaking but its not good enough is it... they think cutting you up is fun, and then blaming YOU for the incident, its a joke, theres no give an take, its just give once, take 30 times, if people take too much, you will find they don't win races, so often can you let a guy through for him to go ahead of you, and crash out anyway, people think its NOW OR NEVER constantly, last lap, sure, thats fine by me, however annoyed i will end up if i am on the receiving end, alot of people need to learn you can play the 'stalking game' just like Rossi in Moto GP, plan where YOU are faster, and try and build a good lap up, to pass them where YOU want to, that way the pass falls into place for you, unless the guy cuts you up, which sadly, will probobly happen...

Im in a tough situation, i can race cleanly, but im not fast enough to leave behind the people who can't and what makes it worse is that there are people alot faster than me 2/3 seconds, who can't race anyway, so when you think 'oh hes faster' 'it will be nice racing' it just.... i don't understand the community of this game at all... and it reflects both in my forum posting, and chat on game servers.

Any suggestions? im getting faster all the time, im not asking for help to be fast... just on how to deal with these people that continue to cut me up, some say 'sorry' but they still do it again.

I see you are complaining for things you do yourself... I remember being bumped and crashed by you a few times on CTRA Race 1 server without any appologizes or anything... Stop to cry when you are complain about racing accidents

Quote from Riders Motion :

I see you are complaining for things you do yourself... I remember being bumped and crashed by you a few times on CTRA Race 1 server without any appologizes or anything... Stop to cry when you are complain about racing accidents

And what is your racer name then>?

Stop fixating on GPL so much. It was great sim for its time. However, its issues have been talked about over and over for years. It is *not* the end all be all of racing sims. Nor is anything, including LFS, at this point in time.

Accept LFS for what it is, and that means the online community if you plan to race online, or don't.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Now that proves you have never played it, your the true meaning of 'spitting the dummy out'.

I made him at least say that LFS is as good as GPL tonight on CTRA Bump & Jump server (because he asked for my set).

(Sorry, I had to )

Quote from zeugnimod :

I made him at least say that LFS is as good as GPL tonight on CTRA Bump & Jump server (because he asked for my set).

(Sorry, I had to )

NOOOOO MY LIFE AS I KNOW IT IS ... well. non-existant..
I had a GREAT time on that server, i went up to the ... yellow roof already my first time racing there.

Quote from richy :

I thought it was pretty good advice.

It's quite chilled out, a nice break from racing, in the garden. And you can surprise your grandma which is better than any race win.

rofl. Well, I could go grow my rohdedendrums..

There is always another side to the story mate.

The other night I ended up on CTRA2 with a two or three Titanium and Platinum drivers and it was a total pleasure to experience.

I kept a Titanium licence driver behind me for 2 laps on SO4, and only thru his excellent car control and anticipation did he miss me on a couple of ocassions when I half slid wide or left half a gap up the inside.

No names mentioned, but it was a proper education in my rear view mirrors for 2 laps then more education for half a lap until he disappeared over the horizon

The good, the bad and the noobs, lol