Is there a way to disable those damn flags? it would be appreciated on drifting and jumps server :P

My tip to blue flag spammers is the following:

As soon as you see someone spamming a blug flag without reason, let him get closer of your rear bumper, and just as he try to overtake, you block him and slam the brakes

*Wreck Inside*

yeah, don't get lapped . but seriously no. lfs is a racing sim and flags are a part of racing.

i'll give an example of what i tend to do when i am behind a flagged car. i keep driving until i am the only thing in his/her mirror. i flash my lights 2 or 3 times (keeping the messeges to a minimum and making the flag a more private affair) once the driver sees me flashing, they usually let me by. once i am past i put my hazards on for one flash to say thanks. (they actually do this on the roads over here in Derry. when a car lets you out of a junction, drivers hit the hazard lights for one flash to say thanks).

Quote from Paranoid Android :

Hmmm...I'm not a person that spams Blue flag messages, I don't even have it binded...

But I can tell you what's bothering me even more...People that hate when someone spams them with blue flag messages.

These people are usually the ones that won't brake and let the person pass until the last possible moment. Those people are also the ones that believe they are Superman and can battle it off with the leaders that are lapping them, only ending up crashing in the chicane, or missing the braking point just after the leader has passed them.

Are you sorry then? When a car getting lapped ruins a race of a person that has earned leading, do you come here and make threads about it?

What you guys don't take into account, is that the leader about to lap doesn't know who is in front of him. Is it a good and fair racer in control of his car at ALL moments (rarely)? Is it a noob so excited about racing on teh internet that he's salivating on his wheel in a frenzy and doesn't even notice anything outside his 90 degrees field of view? Is it a guy that has been misleaded by the Blue flag hating threads on the forum stating that you don't have to move over when you see blue flag?

So when he sees you not moving over, he's just getting afraid you're going to be one of the latter cases, and starts the spam.

I don't know about you, but when I see a blue flag, I let the person pass pretty easily, because A) he's gotta be much faster than me to lap me B) I'm not racing for the championship if I'm getting blue flagged...It's not like we're in formula 1 and the last places results count, and C) I couldn't imagine how sorry I would be if I had ruined his race by my stupid pride, for...nothing.

This rant is probably not meant at you, but the endless list of persons that have ruined races when they were blue flagged (except the cases where the leader couldn't even wait before a straight or a wide turn to pass).

+1

At the end of the day just move out of the ****ing way, be nice and just let the car behind pass - you can afford to loose one second, he can't.....

Blue Flag> move off line(WE ALL KNOW YOU DO NOT HAVE TO< JUST BE PREPARED TO BE OVERTAKEN!!!) and let the faster driver by. Good Race

E: oh ya, and I have BLUE FLAG binded to my front bumper and if needs must I tag the ignorant git as more often than not the type of driver that JUST WILL NOT BUDGE OFF THE RACING LINE slowing everyone down would'nt let you pass given the chance.

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But I can tell you what's bothering me even more...People that hate when someone spams them with blue flag messages.

These people are usually the ones that won't brake and let the person pass until the last possible moment. Those people are also the ones that believe they are Superman and can battle it off with the leaders that are lapping them, only ending up crashing in the chicane, or missing the braking point just after the leader has passed them.

-1 You are wrong.

The people who find blue flag spam annoying are those intelligent enough to read the big fat blue letters in the middle of the screen (everyone) and find the blue flag chat binds distracting.

Some people do elect to ignore blue flags. I have personally witnessed two groups of people doing this, non-race fans who stumble into LFS - typically quite young and with no real world racing experience even as a spectator who do not know what the blue flag actually means, I have seen this two or threee times whilst playing LFS (for well over a year).

Also drivers who think they are fast but joined mid race and who on ocassion just aren't going as fast as I am - these people are real bastards and, if it was justifyable in sports - should be shot at dawn for being so damned arrogant! Unfortunately sending chat binds has no effect on these drivers either.

What the blue flag chat binds do however, is they are a distraction and I can cite one incident I had whilst testing for a league race where I started getting blue flag spam long before the blue flag message appeared, and I found it so distracting and infuriating that I crashed and he was collected in the accident. Karma I say.

This is why I have a problem with this statement...

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oh ya, and I have BLUE FLAG binded to my front bumper and if needs must I tag the ignorant git as more often than not the type of driver that JUST WILL NOT BUDGE OFF THE RACING LINE slowing everyone down would'nt let you pass given the chance.

Just who is the ignorant git here? If somebody is outright ignoring the blue flags they probably dont know what it means. Sometimes it's a name you recognise but wont say so because of the problems it would lead to on the forum, but mostly it's newbies... Is this how we treat people new to LFS? We crash them out? Do we not moan at them when they then think crashing is the done thing and come back at us?

but if the driver being blue flagged were t be penalised for ignoring the flag then i would think they would catch on really fast. it only takes 2 minutes to google racing flags. alot of the time i get the feeling that the person has not done much online gaming and is still in single player mode. i think what annoys people most (who do yield for flags) is that because they do it, everyone has to do it. when they don't it gets on alot of nerves. as i say, once the lfs flag system becomes better (yellow flags need to be more localised too) things will improove.

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-1 You are wrong.

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The people who find blue flag spam annoying are those intelligent enough to read the big fat blue letters in the middle of the screen (everyone) and find the blue flag chat binds distracting.

I agree that bind is distracting when overused, it should never be used more than once.

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Some people do elect to ignore blue flags. I have personally witnessed two groups of people doing this, non-race fans who stumble into LFS - typically quite young and with no real world racing experience even as a spectator who do not know what the blue flag actually means, I have seen this two or threee times whilst playing LFS (for well over a year).

I think even the newest of drivers who first come onto LFS online will catch on pretty quickly to what this flag means....car fills the mirror [BLUE FLAG]...the problem is people 'playing dumb' after an accident claiming to know nothing of this rule.
So really, what are you're options when you are behind MR.X who:
a. has no intention of letting you pass either way
b. is playing dumb to the rule
c. is being an ass sitting on the racing line for two laps going five seconds slower than the rest of the field.
d. has ignored the main blue flag warning.

???

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Also drivers who think they are fast but joined mid race and who on ocassion just aren't going as fast as I am - these people are real bastards and, if it was justifyable in sports - should be shot at dawn for being so damned arrogant! Unfortunately sending chat binds has no effect on these drivers either.

Another silly use of the bind....but remember that same guy behind you is the same as MRX above and obviousley has no idea how to behave on track day.

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What the blue flag chat binds do however, is they are a distraction and I can cite one incident I had whilst testing for a league race where I started getting blue flag spam long before the blue flag message appeared, and I found it so distracting and infuriating that I crashed and he was collected in the accident. Karma I say.

being as much of a destraction as they are, they can also show you which drivers have no idea whatsoever how to behave on track....the ones to watch out for next lap round

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Just who is the ignorant git here? If somebody is outright ignoring the blue flags they probably dont know what it means. Sometimes it's a name you recognise but wont say so because of the problems it would lead to on the forum, but mostly it's newbies... Is this how we treat people new to LFS? We crash them out? Do we not moan at them when they then think crashing is the done thing and come back at us?

Honestley, I agree 100% that this particular bind is very distracting, but sometimes we all meet MR.X.
I don't resort to physical bullying on track all the time, just when there are messers around I would persuade the car away from the race leaders...hell, half the time they don't mind because there only on the track for a crash or two anyway

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it should never be used

I agree!

Blue flag spamming is just ... well, really stupid. There's no polite way to put this; its just plain stupid.

When you press that key you've bound, how do you know that the person in front is going to read it? The message is thrown out into the general chat channel, which may or may not be blocked by the person in front of you anyway. So the second you press that key, everyone on the track looks up at the chat and thinks, "Is that directed at me? Wtf? I didn't see any blue flags? How the hell did he get that far ahead? etc etc..."

So its not only stupid, but extraordinarily self-centred. There are other people racing on the track too. STFU.

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a. has no intention of letting you pass either way
b. is playing dumb to the rule
c. is being an ass sitting on the racing line for two laps going five seconds slower than the rest of the field.
d. has ignored the main blue flag warning.

I for one have only ever been delayed by new users who didnt get what a blue flag was maybe just 2 or 3 times in all the time i've been playing. Most people in game really do move out of the way very quickly.

On those handful of ocassions when a newcomer does interfere, surely it's better to explain what should happen rather than demonstrate what should not happen by crashing them. If you give a new user the impression that LFS drivers crash each other out - then that new user will start crashing people out thinking that's the best racing he's gonna get in this game - and that's bad for us all.

When you tap a backmarker off the track you are not spoiling his race, you are spoiling all online racing for all of us.

@Everyone: So if you are in possession of the family brain cell whilst playing LFS, please use it, and remember that what goes around comes around.

:bowdown: :throwrose :clapclap: :woohoo: :clapclap: :throwrose :bowdown: at Becky!

Quote from Becky Rose :

When you tap a backmarker off the track you are not spoiling his race, you are spoiling all online racing for all of us.

@Everyone: So if you are in possession of the family brain cell whilst playing LFS, please use it, and remember that what goes around comes around.

A typical girls approach .....
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Anyway I can honestley say I think in the last three years I've used that bind one or twice,
I just came in here for an arguement because i's nothin else todo

If server is serious one, then mid race join is disallowed, surely there is some that have no patience to wait race to start but at least I'm happier when such racers are not on track same time with me.

Also I have experienced such activity where faster racer thinks that blue flag means that slower car should disappear or something, those really should try to look racing from tv bit more, certainly slower driver don't need to brake because faster one is behind, just leave him bit space to overtake that is all that is needed, if faster one can't pass, then too bad, learn to overtake.

Spamming blue flag message is very inmature and childish behaviour that should initiate instant ban Maybe some script could be made for this

People who think that blue flags mean "Get out of my way" make me chuckle.

Especially ones who think that, and who spam their blue flag bind.

The thing is, some of the quickest people I've seen about in my short(ish) time LFSing are the ones who think and do such things...

I just spam my STFU bind at them, even if it's not me they're spamming it at.

i got this from wiki:

The blue flag
A light blue flag, sometimes with a diagonal yellow, orange, or red stripe, informs a driver that a faster car is approaching and that the driver should move aside to allow one or more faster cars to pass. If the flag is waved, it indicates to the driver that the fast car is on its tail. In some series, the blue flag is not mandatory - drivers obey it only as a courtesy to their fellow racers. In other series, drivers get severely penalized for not yielding or interfering with the leaders, including getting sent to the pits for the rest of the race. In Formula One (in which the blue is lighter and does not have a stripe), if the driver about to be lapped ignores three waved blue flags in a row, he is required to make a drive-through penalty. In Champ Car, this can be upgraded. A pair of waving blue flags displayed from the starter's stand, known as the Chief Steward's blue flag, order a driver to give way to faster traffic or be black-flagged.

Quote from dadge :

just like in most RL races, if you don't yield after the 3rd blue flag your penalised.

That's only in F1.

EDIT : You do NOT have to move of line and you do NOT have to release the throttle. I've just checked the blue book

i'm sure my previous post covered that

if a blue flag comes up i will move but if i get spammed to death ill deliberatly piss him off by not moving

Quote from jwardy :

if a blue flag comes up i will move but if i get spammed to death ill deliberatly piss him off by not moving

+1

I hate when people spam blue flag, but I also hate when people ignore it and crash you while they are blue flagged. Of course I understand that it isn`t allways easy to get out of the way if a very faster car comes behind you in the corner, but still sucks to be whiped out by backmarkers, special if they are arogant and tells you that everything is yours fault.
But seriously, spamming "blue flag, move out of the way" or "Faster car comming, blue flag move out of the way" is just lame, and there should be a 1 hour ban for saying blue flag in chat line.

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if a blue flag comes up i will move but if i get spammed to death ill deliberatly piss him off by not moving

Thankfully on the CTRA servers spamming blue flag is banned and you're allowed to race those that do it

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I think it's the other way. If blue-flagged driver is so slow that he is lapped, he will maybe try to prove himself to the driver that is lapping him? "Oh I'm slower by 1 lap, but I'm much faster, oh oh go away!" :ices_rofl

QFT! lol

I know its an old post / thread, blue flag spammers simply dont understand the flag rule but hey we can be smug when we see someone do it.

I see a blue flag often...

I'm not that fast. I try to be consistant, and predicatble.

However, most blue flag problems come from the Leaders, and not the ones being lapped. Most of the blue flags are for lead lap cars about to go a lap down. I know of NO racing series that says you cant fight to stay on the lead lap. If you want to put me a lap down, you're going to race me for it. Now, most of the time, I will get out of the way because the leaders ar faster than me, but I've been wrecked by the leaders before when the leade was running laps barely 0.01-0.02 seconds faster (early wreck/t1 mess puts me back there) If your not noticably faster than me, and Im still on the lead lap, im not pulling over. If its obvious that you are faster than me, I will let you go

The other problem is that 9/10 times, the leader thinks that blue flag means "get out of my way NOW". Multiple times I've been wrecked in fast/tight chicanes by idiots that dont understand the concept of safe passing zones. If I slow down there, you will have to slow down too...if you try to pass me, we will wreck. Hold your damned horses and engage your brain.

Lastly, like the OP... if you spam me with a blue flag mesage, I will make damned sure to slow you down. I have the message on my screen, I dont need the secondary BS from you...its cocky and annoying, and it doesnt make you cool.

Also, 3 times now I've given the inside line of a corner to the leader, only to be wrecked. I'm giving you the prefered line, if you cant take the corner without sliding out into me, its YOUR fault, not mine. If Im outside of you, you might not be able to go all the way out to the rumble strips on exit... Im certainly not going to brake coming out of a corner into a long straight...and cost myself 8-10mph down the whole distance of the straight...

The last one...when I give you room...and you cut me off immediatly...i will not hit my brakes. I've seen a couple of these 3rd person, and been involved in one. When you pass me, make sure you're cleared before you get into my line. At first I would slow for people, but it gets so damned annoying that I've stopped now. I've wrecked one person for it, and almost wrecked a few others. Its the responsibility of the passer to make sure they have cleared the car they passed, not the other way around.

In the end, its respect. Treat me with respect, you get it back. Act like a clown, you'll get that back too. People seem to forget that the race for 1st through 3rd isnt the only race on the track. Givin the amount of t1 wrecks (by the way, LFS is better in this category than most games i've played...much less t1 wrecks) you often break the field up into 2 or 3 groups. If im racing someone hard for 10th, im not slowing down for the leader for the sake of slowing down...I've got my own race to run.

To the core of the original topic, spamming is rude. Its also illogical. If the person doesnt obey the BIG BLUE TEXT in the middle of their screen, they arent going to obey yours. If they see the BIG BLUE TEXT and obey it, you're is absolutely useless. In other words, it servers absolutely no point at all. It has 0 net impact on the outcome.

With the BF1, like in real life, the blue flag should mean get out of the way pretty much immediately. That's realistic with the BF1 and different to the traditional blue flag in racing.

In other forms of motorsport, it is normally a polite and sensible thing to let people past. You waste time racing people who aren't on the same lap and while people aren't obliged by the rules, people who hold up the leaders are generally less than popular with fans and fellow racers.

Quote from southamptonfc :

With the BF1, like in real life, the blue flag should mean get out of the way pretty much immediately. That's realistic with the BF1 and different to the traditional blue flag in racing.

You make space by leaving the raceline, WHEN IT`S SAFE to do so

Quote from alland44 :

You make space by leaving the raceline, WHEN IT`S SAFE to do so

You saying something there mate!
When people want to pass it looks like they don`t care if it even is a dangerous corner, they just want to pass, and they demand to pass a laped car.

Lol, it`s like the laped car almost have to comit suicide, and drive of the road no matter where it are to let the faster car pass, and thats not the rule