Stop Right There!

Don't get hung up on the topic title and post spam, think.

The United States Of America (in commerce/economy terms) have well over indulged in their gnp.

What, in ten years will happen?

The yank Dollar is worth shit, so, what we will see is the Americas depending on tourism from us *** lol haha.

http://www.cybernations.net/ ... :nod^^, post's like that come if you play that stupid *** online-sim)

Dublin 3000

Sorry, but is there a point here? Are you comparing Iraq and Vietnam (which is justified in some ways but not in others), commenting on the US economy (which is, truly, headed for the toilet), plugging a game or all three at once?

i think the fact that we as the smartest race on the planet earth still fight with each other is stupid..

i know tha everyones opinions very on this touchy subject but meh i think i fell a qoute for south park comming on... " a durka durggggg "

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i think the fact that we as the smartest race on the planet earth still fight with each other is stupid..

i think youll find that smart species (not races but anyway ... moving on) decided to go back where they came from to develop fins and flippers instead of hands which are surprisingly useless when it comes to pulling triggers

(obviously though those are still only the second most intelligent lifeform on earth)

Thank whatever that I live where I do & have zero desire to go much further than OZ cus I'm not really impressed with whats happening but here's my 10 year forcast.

Canada/US/Mexico form an EU type block with a common currency & borders.

Russia feels more alienated and allies with China.

EU gains in strength.

Britain becomes a model police state, think 1984 with interest.

US block follows suit but with more of a concentration camp feel.

Oz continues with its delusions of grandeur and tries to ally with Indonesia to form their own trade block.

Iraq continues to be screwed, as does anywhere with resources that a major power feels should be theirs.

The wild outside chance is of course that people wake up and stop letting others control their thinking and lives but I don't think I'll bother betting on this happening soon.

America invading Iraq to further the influence of capitalism (although the name they give their greed is democracy) has some parallels to the expansion of communism invading Vietnam (called liberty for the people), in the same way that Germany invaded much of Europe to further the influence of totalitarian fascism (in the name of restoration).

There are a lot of parallels, including the one about Humanity learning nothing from history.

EDIT: Atleast, so far, the Americans have only built one concentration camp. Although their use of temporary sites in other countries and airplanes as interrogation rooms could arguably add an aweful lot more to the count.

Quote from theirishnoob :

i think the fact that we as the smartest race on the planet earth still fight with each other is stupid..

i know tha everyones opinions very on this touchy subject but meh i think i fell a qoute for south park comming on... " a durka durggggg "

It's because we fight each others that we are so advanced! Wars may be dirty but we human are never as imaginative as when we are trying to crush our neighbor's face

Education trumps all of those.
It's high time the species got a clue and got off this tiny rock, before a few spoil it for the rest.

@Racer X NZ: We all will die eventually, so why must you live in constant fear? What exactly are you afraid of?

Quote from wheel4hummer :

@Racer X NZ: We all will die eventually, so why must you live in constant fear? What exactly are you afraid of?

I take a look at the topic and at the odd original post and I thought hey, it's almost impossible to go off topic. That's really an achievement, w4h.

About the rest: I'm not able to think about what will happen in 10 years. I can't calculate all the possibilities, something always surprises me, and I like it.

It's probably something that happens when you don't have a mechanical view of life. However what Racer X says can be possible.

About the thread title: this is one of the best pieces you'll find around about the parallel between Iraq and Vietnam. It's pretty scary, and you don't even have to read between the lines.

Quote from Albieg :

That's really an achievement, w4h.

Thanks!

Quote from Albieg :

and you don't even have to read between the lines.

Yay... someone else thinking for me... After all, Albieg, you know what's best for me even more then I do.

wheel4hummer,

Dude, who's living in fear ?

The question was - What in 10 years will be happening ?

All I gave was my opinion and as I'm in NZ and not any where else I'm fine.
It's just the rest of you I'm concerned about.
Sometimes distance can allow you to see trends and future possibilities that those living it day to day can miss.

Becky,

Sorry but your out by over 500 camps.
The following list gives a state by state breakdown of whats probably there, most apparently require very little to be made active.
And for those in the US who think that this is c#$p, at least be intelligent enough to do some basic research and disagree with me with facts, not the usual uninformed flaming.

http://www.rense.com/general17/statebystate.htm

This list is dated 2001 so the total may well have increased.


Red pill or Blue pill ?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

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And for those in the US who think that this is c#$p, at least be intelligent enough to do some basic research and disagree with me with facts, not the usual uninformed flaming.




Red pill or Blue pill ?

I'm too tired to look up facts, so I'll just argue

DO you know how many times over the years i have heard how the US economy is plunging down the toilet?. In the '70s it was post Vietnam, the Arab Oil Embargo, and more and more imports coming in, causing elimination of various jobs and in some cases industries.
They predicted dooms day then, The 80's saw more imports and less demands for labor due to streamlining and all that and investment bankers. Both decades had all kinds of naysayers with their "facts" predicitng the eventual demise of the Good 'ol US of A.
It's no different now. So yeah go ahead and find all the facts you need to contradict me there, but that's how it is

Here's something to be afraid of though. The US borrows money from a lot of foreign sources (sorry not just the Chinese). If the government was to tank, what do you think would happen to those creditors and the local economies they support?

Iraq/ Vietnam comparing... Sure all wars are pretty much the same in some regards.
But something funny about these two comparisons.
Vietnam wasn't a "war". it was a "police action" (?). due to cold war restraints and bureaucratic incompetence, was totally useless.
The problem with Iraq is they want to fight this as a war when really it needs to be a police action. When the idiots in charge learn to look at insurgents and death squads and militias to be more like street gangs instead of military combatants and handle the problems in that way, then maybe things will get better.
And when I say Police action, I don't mean a bunch of motorcycle cops busting heads with nightsticks. They have to address issues that most of those communities have within them at a much more civil level as opposed to military or paramilitary.

50,000 dead Americans, a million (maybe two million) dead Vietnamese. Some police action. Fact is both of these wars were started as wars of choice by the US government and both were started for publicly declared reasons which later turned out to be utterly false (the actual reasons people can really only guess at, but if there's nothing to do with resource control and extension of US hegemony I'll eat my hat and the hat of the man next to me). The entire world pretty much knew straight away that Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, but it took a few decades before the Gulf Of Tonkin incident, which the US used as pretext for launching its offensive against Vietnam, was 100% fabricated.

The main similarities people see between Vietnam and Iraq is that this invasion and occupation of Iraq is just as pointless, illegal and brutal; looks set to go on for years to come and will claim the lives of thousands of American kids and perhaps a million Iraqi people before the US once again leaves in shame and disgrace. The insurgents will continue their hit and run tactics (don't believe the official bullshit about foreign terrorists, there are more than enough Iraqi guerillas, even if many are at each others' throats) just like the VC did thirty years ago until that happens.

The world hasn't forgotten Vietnam and its lessons, even if Washington has. Australia was stuck in Vietnam for nearly a decade, thanks to our government's blind following of Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon and I shudder to think of it happening again.

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The insurgents will continue their hit and run tactics (don't believe the official bullshit about foreign terrorists, there are more than enough Iraqi guerillas, even if many are at each others' throats)

If they don't tell us that Iran is in league with Al Qaeda, how will they ever get us to back the invasion of Iran?

They don't need to tell us anything. They don't need (or want) our approval and they will do whatever the **** they want, like they always have.

All "we" need to know is this: War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength. We should just let The Party take care of us because we Proles are too stupid to know what's good for us.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

If they don't tell us that Iran is in league with Al Qaeda, how will they ever get us to back the invasion of Iran?

theyre already at it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs

Yes, Iran is apparently also in league with the Sunni insurgents in Iraq (despite the fact that Iran is a Shiite theocracy), Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah, Syria, North Korea, the dang Russkies, Cuba, Venezuela, SPECTRE, Dr Evil & those big slobbering aliens from The Simpsons. Better wipe those Eye-raynian suckers out before them and their friends come to our shores and take all those freedoms of ours that they're all jealous of (hell, better our goverment take 'em than some dang foreigners!)!

Quote from Shotglass :

theyre already at it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs

FOX is attrocious. None of them are good, but FOX outright lies. I had to laugh when FOX wouldn't call what Scooter Libby did a crime. Amazing, really.

Can't expect too much more from the official Whitehouse media outlet. All they have to offer the world is bullshit and The Simpsons Hell, current Whitehouse press secretary/head spinner Tony Snow was a FOX news anchor ffs! Doesn't smell much at all, that.

am i the only one who first heard "were sending clear messages to france" at 2:30 ?

the sad thing is that this guy is in the wrong party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RBBV-_Uudk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE

I can't watch vids here at work but can I assume you're talking about Ron Paul?
Now that guy's a real, proper, republican democrat (no capitals), not some drum-beating, party-line regurgitating idiot (like Giuliani). Quite refreshing actually.

Quote from Hankstar :

I can't watch vids here at work but can I assume you're talking about Ron Paul?

youre absolutely right
if im not mistaken hes the ony candidate for 2008 (including the dems) that wants to bring the patriot act et al down which on the personal side would put the us back on my map of places worth visiting
plus he seems to be the only rep with his head on remotely straight

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Iraq continues to be screwed, as does anywhere with resources that a major power feels should be theirs.

I don't think that the US would really mind that you think they are after oil. That will divert your attention away from the real reason they invaded Iraq: to terminate radical Muslim groups and individuals.

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Oz continues with its delusions of grandeur and tries to ally with Indonesia to form their own trade block.

I don't think you will see Australia allying with Indonesia in ten years or ever. You see, Australia is the lap dog of the US, and Indonesia is chockers full of radical Muslim groups and individuals. So, until the US invade Indonesia and wipe out all of their radical or militant Muslims you won't see touchy-feelyness from Oz towards Indonesia (or the reciprocation of such) on united trade or any other united front.