Quote from Crazy Harry :

Any you guys tell me that a 911 and a deux chevaux is not vintage... ok.

edit: Used wiki and found a difference in language. Vintage in non-english countrys means style between 1930-1970. English spelling means more around 1916-1930. Who cares. He sucks anyway.

There was such as thing as a 911 in 1969 I am sure

Quote from Shotglass :

(which neatly opens the window for us to continue our discussion from half a year ago)

You mean the one that Yosemite SamH closed seconds before I hit submit?

Quote from BlueFlame :

There was such as thing as a 911 in 1969 I am sure

Erm... Egypt?

Reading this Thread 1st I thought... this got really off topic. But otherwise it´s for pushing more Air into the Engine... I wonder if a Supercharger on top of the Head of some people would help too. A working brain needs oxygen... so...

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

You mean the one that Yosemite SamH closed seconds before I hit submit?

exactly ... the one closed by kim jong hopkinson

Quote from tristancliffe :

German cars top in class? They're all boring and dull. Great engineering, but 'Ze Germans' engineer all soul and character out their cars. All of it.

Isn't that the same with almost all current cars?
And about the 911: Yes the engine seems to be in the wrong place, but 'Ze Germans' managed to make the current 911s work (and they do that pretty good, there is no point trying to deny that), while other companies don't even manage to do a sensible suspension setup with the 'right' layout.
I have to say though, most of the modern cars have no soul anymore, they just work too perfectly. I like older cars, which had their traits and where you could fix things yourself without a computer

edit: whoops, didn't read BBT's comment the first time

Quote from mrodgers :

Tis the reason a Toyota Hilux pickup truck with a 22R or 22RE will always be the absolute top number 1 best vehicle of all times. I can vouch for the fact that you can throw nearly anything at a Toyota pickup, as Jeremy did, and it will always keep running. I have driven no vehicle that can possibly compare to the indestructibility of an 80's to early 90's J-vin Toyota pickup/Hilux/4Runner. I totalled mine twice, put it back together, never had antifreeze/coolant in it, and I've stated before, only changed the oil maybe once between the 105k and 189k miles I owned my 88 4Runner. Previous to this one, I had an 89 Hilux (pickup) that was the smoothest running vehicle I had ever driven with it's 139,000 miles I had on it. I totaled that one as an insurance claim and recieved almost $2000 over book value, which was $1500 over what I paid for it 2 years earlier. Had I been smart, I would have bought it back from the insurance company and put a new frame under it. I didn't though, I bought the 88 instead.

Missing my Toyotas...... Stuck in a POS Ford at the moment....

Mike, My car that I'm gonna end up taking when I'm 16, is a 1990 (older than me :P) 2 Door 4Runner.