I drove this thread off topic! YEAAAAAAAAAAAA! 
I prefer the Nissan VVT sound myself, an already menacing SR20 just turns mean with the VVT opening up the exhaust further. Then again I'd much prefer a built SR20DET with Tomei cams and pistons, maybe a nice T51R hanging off the side, slotted into an S12 RS-X --
Oh, wait.
*goes for a drive*
Oh, and ...
It's so. That's a BMW 3-series, the German equivalent of the Ford Taurus, and I'd love to see a Taurus having a go at a 3-Series. Even a 300 with a 2.7 would be a much fairer fight.
.. besides, 'sif that Camaro's stock.
Oh, wait.
*goes for a drive*
Oh, and ...
It's so. That's a BMW 3-series, the German equivalent of the Ford Taurus, and I'd love to see a Taurus having a go at a 3-Series. Even a 300 with a 2.7 would be a much fairer fight.
.. besides, 'sif that Camaro's stock.
A picture doesn't show the capabilities of the drivers, nor does it show how much they're pushing...
I mean, I can take a photo where a Fiat Panda is on the inside line and a Porsche 911 on the outside. Does this show anything ? No.
I mean, I can take a photo where a Fiat Panda is on the inside line and a Porsche 911 on the outside. Does this show anything ? No.
All it has is a ported throttle body. And, that bmw isnt a 3 series. Its a M3 CSL. No where did I say who was overtaking who. I just was proving my point. Why would someone drive a car on the ring if it handled badly?
illepallHm. It's diving a bit oddly then, he must be braking. And sorry, but you can't really tell from a photo. The amount of people that kit up a standard coupe (even here in oz where parts are scarce) is insane.
And it might be crazy but it happens a lot more than you might think. Look up some ring-taxi footage if you can find it. Even Top Gear has it's share of naff on the Ring. A diesel Jaguar for instance! And a van!
And it might be crazy but it happens a lot more than you might think. Look up some ring-taxi footage if you can find it. Even Top Gear has it's share of naff on the Ring. A diesel Jaguar for instance! And a van!
Lots of people drive rubbish cars on the 'ring.
Vans
Diesels
Small hatchbacks
American cars
Doesn't mean any of them are worth 5 seconds of your time.
And isn't a M3CSL a 3-Series. It's the 3 in the name thats the giveaway.
Vans
Diesels
Small hatchbacks
American cars
Doesn't mean any of them are worth 5 seconds of your time.
And isn't a M3CSL a 3-Series. It's the 3 in the name thats the giveaway.
Tristan, I'll probably be driving a hatchback based diesel van, when (if 
) we go to 'ring
) we go to 'ring Where did this fight about FWD vs. gas guzzling American barge come from?
Neither are designed to lap around tracks quickly, the concept of using FWD is to save space and weight, they can't handle excessive amounts of power, but can still be quick in comparison to their rivals (think Mini vs. Morris Minor
).
The concept of shoehorning a massive V8 into an extremely heavy bodyshell with the structural rigidity of a potato is to act as a catalyst for global warming.
It may suprise some people to know that an M3 CSL isn't really a light weight, at I'd guess still over 1400 kg it may be a few tons lighter than the heap of American junk you drive but it is still a big car.
The fact that todays baby supercars can only manage around 10 mpg is pathetic, they all weigh at least 1500 kg, and they really needen't. Maybe we should actually ask ourselfs do we really need to drive around in a 15 miles to the gallon Range Rover or a 15 gallons to the mile Hummer? It isn't needed on the road, modern cars can't be driven fast on B-Roads, simply because pushing an everyday sporty hatch back down a B-Road means driving it at dangerous speeds.
Something like a Mazda MX5 or a Mk1 Toyota MR2 is a good example of what sports cars should be about, well setup for good handling at road speeds, tiny amounts of power in comparison to todays average diesel hatch back, and economical.
Bluntly I think the current trend for very powerful cars should be kept for racing use only, there's no point in driving around in a 240 bhp hatch back that weighs 1500 kg when one could have just as much fun in a 150 bhp, 900 kg hatchback.
Back to the question of handling, anything weighing more than the average HGV is not going to handle well, or be fast round the 'ring. It may suprise you to know that a standard fast hatchback would thrash your heap of scrap iron round the 'ring. Even older lower power cars would out handle your monstrosity of a car, think of an old Escort, Mini, MG and there'd be no comparison to your car in terms of fun. Your junk metal is probably so overly power assissted that you'd get no feel of the car at all, and if not then you'd find that it'll be extremely heavy and probably more prone to simply gliding straight on in a mass of understeer when it met a corner rather than a nice controlable oversteer, which is what a sensibly sized front engined RWD car should do.
I could keep going explaining to you about terms like 'structural rigidity' but you probably wouldn't understand enough about how a car handles to have a sensible debate with.
Bluntly you're a ****ing idiot IMO for flaming someone for no reason for tuning a FWD car, who it would seem to me has more of a clue about going round corners as well as in a straight line. You obviously also couldn't give a shit about the environment, which isn't a good thing, obviously when you go racing it's not a consideration you make, in the end of the day motorsport isn't going to make a difference to the environment or oil supplies, millions of gas guzzling road cars will. Do you really need 6.0 litres of cast iron to propel your 5 ton shed at 55 mph or would 1.5 litres of sensibly proportioned car do instead, would also save a load on fuel.
Neither are designed to lap around tracks quickly, the concept of using FWD is to save space and weight, they can't handle excessive amounts of power, but can still be quick in comparison to their rivals (think Mini vs. Morris Minor
).The concept of shoehorning a massive V8 into an extremely heavy bodyshell with the structural rigidity of a potato is to act as a catalyst for global warming.
It may suprise some people to know that an M3 CSL isn't really a light weight, at I'd guess still over 1400 kg it may be a few tons lighter than the heap of American junk you drive but it is still a big car.
The fact that todays baby supercars can only manage around 10 mpg is pathetic, they all weigh at least 1500 kg, and they really needen't. Maybe we should actually ask ourselfs do we really need to drive around in a 15 miles to the gallon Range Rover or a 15 gallons to the mile Hummer? It isn't needed on the road, modern cars can't be driven fast on B-Roads, simply because pushing an everyday sporty hatch back down a B-Road means driving it at dangerous speeds.
Something like a Mazda MX5 or a Mk1 Toyota MR2 is a good example of what sports cars should be about, well setup for good handling at road speeds, tiny amounts of power in comparison to todays average diesel hatch back, and economical.
Bluntly I think the current trend for very powerful cars should be kept for racing use only, there's no point in driving around in a 240 bhp hatch back that weighs 1500 kg when one could have just as much fun in a 150 bhp, 900 kg hatchback.
Back to the question of handling, anything weighing more than the average HGV is not going to handle well, or be fast round the 'ring. It may suprise you to know that a standard fast hatchback would thrash your heap of scrap iron round the 'ring. Even older lower power cars would out handle your monstrosity of a car, think of an old Escort, Mini, MG and there'd be no comparison to your car in terms of fun. Your junk metal is probably so overly power assissted that you'd get no feel of the car at all, and if not then you'd find that it'll be extremely heavy and probably more prone to simply gliding straight on in a mass of understeer when it met a corner rather than a nice controlable oversteer, which is what a sensibly sized front engined RWD car should do.
I could keep going explaining to you about terms like 'structural rigidity' but you probably wouldn't understand enough about how a car handles to have a sensible debate with.
Bluntly you're a ****ing idiot IMO for flaming someone for no reason for tuning a FWD car, who it would seem to me has more of a clue about going round corners as well as in a straight line. You obviously also couldn't give a shit about the environment, which isn't a good thing, obviously when you go racing it's not a consideration you make, in the end of the day motorsport isn't going to make a difference to the environment or oil supplies, millions of gas guzzling road cars will. Do you really need 6.0 litres of cast iron to propel your 5 ton shed at 55 mph or would 1.5 litres of sensibly proportioned car do instead, would also save a load on fuel.
gulp
Agreed :up:
[quote=dave4002000][quote=wheel4hummer]
last summer i was racing at the LimeRock road course here in CT almost every weekend and was up at New England Dragway in NH almost every Wednesday night...so yes...i do race my car quite often
[/quote]
What color is your Neon? Is it blue?
I go to NED quite often, although mostly for sport compact events and with my DSM club on the second Wednesday of every month. I don't race with my current car, but I will hopefully be picking up something to race with in the near future.
last summer i was racing at the LimeRock road course here in CT almost every weekend and was up at New England Dragway in NH almost every Wednesday night...so yes...i do race my car quite often
[/quote]What color is your Neon? Is it blue?
I go to NED quite often, although mostly for sport compact events and with my DSM club on the second Wednesday of every month. I don't race with my current car, but I will hopefully be picking up something to race with in the near future.
You'll see more rubbish drivers in fast cars.
Very true, if you look at the lap of the Transit she is actually passing some seriously fast machinery in the bends. It's not about driving a fast car, more about driving a car fast.
Bluntly you're a ****ing idiot IMO for flaming someone who likes american/V8 cars. You obviously don't know that a Camaro is roughly the same length and wheelbase as a honda accord. The camaro is, however, heavier than a honda accord by 300lbs. SO, a camaro IS sensibly proportioned. And, I am not talking about fuel savings. Theres no way a 450HP neon will get 25MPG.
I wouldn't have had a go at you if you didn't have a go at someone else for no reason
illepallThe fact remains that the current Camaro is still a big car, it's often critisied in the press here for being too big to be practical on UK roads.
A 450 bhp turbo 4 will still be more economical than a big V8 when it's not having its nuts revved off, but that's hardly an everday example, sadly for our planet big V8s are. Anyway your a demo racer, so maybe if you drove a slightly smaller car you could afford S2?
That's low dude
Let's stop this crap ok ?
Toyota rulezz anyway
Happy 2006 & good night
Lets drop this now, personally I still feel that it's pretty rich that you decided to make a rather random and completely misinformed rant just because another member drives a particular car.
Happy New Year anyway
Happy New Year anyway
I'm just waiting for it to be a little easier to take my car on the 'ring.
But, with EU import regulations, if I moved to Europe, my car might well have to stay where it is. Unless I lived in Britain and that's fairly expensive.
.. then again, living in a country town ..
Okay, so the whole continent's expensive...
How about we just end this by expressing an interest in the Nurburgring in LFS? Maybe it's possible...
*sees if the company responsible for the Nurburgring would be expecting reparations..*
But, with EU import regulations, if I moved to Europe, my car might well have to stay where it is. Unless I lived in Britain and that's fairly expensive.
.. then again, living in a country town ..
Okay, so the whole continent's expensive...
How about we just end this by expressing an interest in the Nurburgring in LFS? Maybe it's possible...
*sees if the company responsible for the Nurburgring would be expecting reparations..*
Happy new year!
Happy New Year!
http://videos.streetfire.net/P ... 7&term=matrix&p=0
My little toyota makes that sound too
Would be pretty cool, especially if it came with the surge of power I get too.
My little toyota makes that sound too
Would be pretty cool, especially if it came with the surge of power I get too.
i have orgasms when i hear the turbo go fshhhhhhhhhh before the honda VTEC sounds while racing against them
http://videos.streetfire.net/P ... 7&term=matrix&p=0 <--- listen to that whistle
if we could only have sounds like this...
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1139395622/Aston_Martin_DBR9_
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1139395622/Aston_Martin_DBR9_
I'll have an orgasm when your turbo goes fshhhhhhh and it gets totally drowned out because this smart passes you:
loooool
thats ridiculous!!!
crazy little thing
guys, guys, guys... quit fooling around with those vtec lamers... to make them quiet down a bit you gotta talk their own language:
...vtec?
pah!
yamaha r6 2k6
you want ridiculous?
110bhp @15K rpm. (that's 185hp per litre. at the wheel. without ram-air.)
+
you want sound?
17.5K rpm redline (car engines wimp out @9K? puh-leez...)
==
you and your vtec's sound -> pwnt
And, besides, even if we stick to car engines, there is nothing... NOTHING like a V6/8/10/12 whizzing
you and your four-bangers...
(forgot the jpg)
...vtec?
pah!
yamaha r6 2k6
you want ridiculous?
110bhp @15K rpm. (that's 185hp per litre. at the wheel. without ram-air.)
+
you want sound?
17.5K rpm redline (car engines wimp out @9K? puh-leez...)
==
you and your vtec's sound -> pwnt
And, besides, even if we stick to car engines, there is nothing... NOTHING like a V6/8/10/12 whizzing
you and your four-bangers...
(forgot the jpg)
VTEC sound?
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FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG