I am with you Tristan, I don't like football either, but it makes my blood boil when most of the idiots are calling for Mclarens head, as if a different manager would make any difference?, muppets.
jos-e mou-rin-ho, jos-e mou-rin-ho, jos-e mou-rin-ho, jos-e mou-rin-ho, <<<<<i heard he's a good manager but he hugs people too much.
I also heard that he's only good when he can buy fresh-faced talent for 20 times it's actual value. When the chips are down and the team disjointed he (apparently) can't pick a goal from a grandstand.
McClaren is a crap manager, he should never have been given the job in the first place. He only became 'heard of' because he was Fergies no2 in ManUres treble winning season.
When all major football pundits slate him for playing the systems he does with the players we have, then that must prove that he is doing something wrong ?
And what about Sven?, a proven world class manager who couldn't whip the shower o'shite team we have into shape, seems to be doing the bizz at Man city now, maybe he has a team of players that actually want to play?
The players, the fans and the management need to wake up. The reason why we fail is because we expect too much. We are no where near a top quality side. We have the skill but we dont have the mindset, we walk into the stadium thinkin we have beat them allready. Hopefully it will be a wake up call. Next thing i see, Host of the Olympics dont even get medal!...
Sven did OK really, he got us qualified for all major championships and to the quarter finals in all of them but was probably picked on by the media a bit much.
I'm a NUFC fan...It prepares you well for supporting a team that has the capability of winning games, but frequently underperforms and gets crap results
So are you saying that McClaren is a proven world class manager aswell? Surely not. Hey, if the manager is the smallest piece of the puzzle, then maybe little Sammy Lee of ex-Bolton fame is perfect for the job, look at how little changed at Bolton when he took over from big Sam.
Sven got some good performances from England, and they were unfortunate not to do better under his management - he just made some odd decisions along the way, like picking Walcott and never playing him.
Always funny how people that don't like football come along when England fail and despite not caring (I presume since they don't like football) say "I told you they were crap and overpaid blah blah", despite the fact that they obviously don't follow the game (unless they secretly do like it). Odd people, maybe not idiotic or "muppets", but odd.
Even if I don't like football (I used to, not so long ago), surely I am entitled to an opinion?.
No Mclaren isn't a proven manager, my point was, a proven world class manager couldn't manage it, clearly Mclaren was never go to either.
As for big Sam, I remember saying he was the man for the job before they employed Mclaren, would he make a difference?, TBH, I doubt it.
No Mclaren isn't a proven manager, my point was, a proven world class manager couldn't manage it, clearly Mclaren was never go to either.
As for big Sam, I remember saying he was the man for the job before they employed Mclaren, would he make a difference?, TBH, I doubt it.
The trouble is that you can't NOT hear about football, as it's bloody everywhere. Most sport pages, most sport sections in the news, a lot of chat in the pub... So even though I don't like the game in the slightest one can't help but have an opinion on it.
Do I follow the game? Certainly not - I wouldn't stoop that far. But did I know the result last night within 5 minutes. Yup. Did I want to know? Nope.
Do I follow the game? Certainly not - I wouldn't stoop that far. But did I know the result last night within 5 minutes. Yup. Did I want to know? Nope.
i agree with most here mclaren isent a proven man and the england team a far overpaid for what they do , but still whats sthis shit with playing crouch up front on his own and putting carson in goal for such an important match
Which is exactly most peoples point..a DECENT manager would not have taken such a risk in a VERY important match.
I almost feel that he knew the public hated him, and thought he was a total berk..so he went out and proved it!
As for being overpaid, I dont blame the footballers at all..I blame Sky for that..
Football is very much an entertainment business, and with the megabucks being thrown at the game these days, if companies (teams
) want the best staff (players) then they have to pay more than their rival companies (teams)..its the same in business everywhere.For example, you may be a lowly admin clerk, but if company 'a' is offering £300 per week, and company 'b' is offering £600 for exactly the same job..where would YOU go??
[edit] UPDATE HE IS GONE!!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... nternationals/7100393.stm
You sure are, as we all are, even those that wanted McClaren gone. No need to start calling people muppets was my slightly drawn out point.
The manager plays a big part, the very reason why struggling clubs and countries change them so very often in fact. And of course you never know until the change is made but it's the first thing you look at when your team of players that do very well in one of Europe's best leagues suddenly look crap. Something is wrong there, if the players don't want to play for their country (which I don't believe btw) then why not, why wasn't this problem addressed by management? The England manager doesn't have a lot to do. He's got to do what he does well.
The players Do want t play for England, and don't go into every match expecting to win.
Yes they are over paid, and over hyped, but who are we to judge how much someone gets paid... !
England don't walk onto the pitch expecting to win. They walk onto the pitch with fear of losing, and making a cock up.
You can see it in their play.... you can see the fear,,,
If yo go into a race thinking.. OMG I am scared of crashing... WHAT HAPPENS???? You drive like an idiot and crash! Everytime England lose a match its the end of the world... and considering England haven't won anything for the last million years how can anyone be surprised when we lose.
Yes they are over paid, and over hyped, but who are we to judge how much someone gets paid... !
England don't walk onto the pitch expecting to win. They walk onto the pitch with fear of losing, and making a cock up.
You can see it in their play.... you can see the fear,,,
If yo go into a race thinking.. OMG I am scared of crashing... WHAT HAPPENS???? You drive like an idiot and crash! Everytime England lose a match its the end of the world... and considering England haven't won anything for the last million years how can anyone be surprised when we lose.
Sorry to not mind my own business, but I think the manager (McLaren or McClaren? Make up your minds, guys!) is to blame. England has a lot of good footballers, and if those considered "the best" are too lazy to play well for the national side, it is the manager's job to find others who will be delighted to "spit their lungs out" on the pitch.
To make my point stand stronger, I will give the example of my country's national team. We have never ever started in Euro, because we could never qualify. Our FA president was about to be kicked out, so as a last resort to save his chair, he appointed a certain Leo Beenhakker to be in charge of the national team. And guess what? He scouted out players from Polish league, some of them were unheard of even by average football fans here, and they won the qualifying group against Portugal, Serbia and Finland.
Now THAT is a difference that a good manager makes.
P.S. The FA president saved his job.
To make my point stand stronger, I will give the example of my country's national team. We have never ever started in Euro, because we could never qualify. Our FA president was about to be kicked out, so as a last resort to save his chair, he appointed a certain Leo Beenhakker to be in charge of the national team. And guess what? He scouted out players from Polish league, some of them were unheard of even by average football fans here, and they won the qualifying group against Portugal, Serbia and Finland.
Now THAT is a difference that a good manager makes.
P.S. The FA president saved his job.
McClaren should never have been appointed. You have an FA committee who seems inept in actual football management, and I doubt any of them have any experience as being successful coaches.
It's THEIR job to find the right man for the job, and continually they have failed, yet their jobs are as safe as houses.
They should be sitting very uncomfortably, but instead they will find some half assed coached who won't do any better, and who will be the fall guy.
the FA needs a complete revamp. A new direction, and new people who actually know something about putting together a decent football team and management, otherwise England will continue along this course.
Not that I am bothered, I was well happy seeing Croatia plant that third goal in...
It's THEIR job to find the right man for the job, and continually they have failed, yet their jobs are as safe as houses.
They should be sitting very uncomfortably, but instead they will find some half assed coached who won't do any better, and who will be the fall guy.
the FA needs a complete revamp. A new direction, and new people who actually know something about putting together a decent football team and management, otherwise England will continue along this course.
Not that I am bothered, I was well happy seeing Croatia plant that third goal in...
whos gunna be next , martin o`neil i mean c,mon how can he be even in the running , jose mourhinio (however u spell it ) should be the next manager to get us to the world cup 2010
German sport-press already wants Klinsmann to be your next manager... seems its not a question for you here. Thats how sport-press is influenced by the national view. 
Jose is the only choice. but again you have a flawed system from the bottom up, and Jose would be entering a sinking ship. Why would he want to take the job?
I get this horrible feeling the FA will pick the worse manager possible however
I get this horrible feeling the FA will pick the worse manager possible however
Whats wrong with Martin O'Neill? He led Celtic to a good load of leagues and cups and done well with Villa
I would die laughing if they appointed Klinsmann.
If he wasn't deemed good enough last time when we ended up with McClaren ( <- 2 Cs) then he shouldn't be deemed good enough now.
Ahh, right, I didn't know he was in the running the last time.
He was never first choice, he was about 4th choice. I think we just need someone with common sense, who is not afraid to drop the big name players if they don't perform. Unfortunately the one manager I can see doing that is currently employed at Reading, and he wouldn't leave them.
Lawrie Sanchez would be a better choice considering what he did for Norn Irn (northern ireland)
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