Excellent analogy

It's all down to the drivers at the end of the day, yes? The systems are there, if they don't wanna use them, it's their own fault

/me shuts up

DK

tbo i didnt mean it as to tighten the rule more i meant like make it more known and, well, educate people about the rule

What we've got here is a classic case of people suggesting ideas without actually researching the problem. Dont worry guys we've had this a lot since the X-System was launched, everyone has ideas and we love to hear them but in this case the X-System is already doing everything you've suggested and more.

I'd be pleased to hear what else we can do, or subtleties we can change, but please do try mid race joining yourself and seeing how the system works before suggesting them.

Thank you kindly.

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

What about sportscar drivers who take over during pitstops for instance? Or relief drivers in NASCAR/open wheelers?

DK

Aren't those guys still racing for points? In CTRA mid race joiners are not.

Quote from GFresh :

I don't think it should be disallowed, it provides a great opportunity to calculate fuel, get set up, and get a couple of laps practice.

I don't think it should be allowed. You can do all that offline or during the first race as you start in the back anyway.

First race starting from the back? I can usually make up 1/2 the grid in short order just by being cautious in T1, and then the other positions one by one each lap.

I just use 15% fuel always, served me well for most public races.

There is not a problem with the rule. The problem lies in training the people not obeying the rules which cannot be changed by altering the rule, the rule will still be disobeyed.

I thought the point of joining midrace was to set a decent laptime which would determine your grid position for your first race. Did I miss a post saying this had changed ?

No, you're right.. that's another benefit of the CTRA midrace join, because of the concurrent qualifying system. We haven't even touched on that aspect in this thread before now!

Quote from SamH :

I see it on all servers too, but on CTRA servers it's explicitly against server rules to interfere with the race in progress if you've joined mid-race. Please use the reporting function if it happens on CTRA servers.

I did just that and all I got in response was "Please check replay and re-submit"

I don't know if this was because I was reporting a platinum driver or if I did something wrong with the submission, either way I was pretty disappointed to see the report being dismissed when it very clearly showed a mid-race joiner infertearing for 1-2 laps with the leading drivers.

That only happens when the replay you've selected for your report doesn't contain the incident you're reporting, or sometimes doesn't even contain the driver people are reporting. Platinum drivers definitely don't get off lighter, they come off worse.. expectations on higher licenced drivers are much greater.

[edit] I suspect that sometimes, people submit reports without checking the replay. It's also possible, at the end of the race, to select the race BEFORE the race you intend to report, because for you it's the last race you ran (just ended) but for the system, it doesn't become the last race until a new race begins (because that's when the replay is stored). This is why, if we can't find the incident you're reporting, we ask you to check the replay and resubmit. When drivers do that, they usually go "DOH! That was the race BEFORE the incident", they pick the right replay for a new report and resubmit

I think I know which replay you are on about. If you feel that the admin that decided the replay did not rule the incident correctly please feel free to appeal so more admins can have a look at it and discuss.

tbo the only suggestion i could make is a warning that shows for a few seconds when you mid race you somthing like: 'obstruction others on the race track and disobaying the rules in $blue could result in penalty' something like that maybe and as they are still in pit lane it wont be dangerous

grovelying apologies to sam and the other admin bout reports, i need the title of worlds worst reporter

and another point is maybe a chance for a responce to be made after reports are prossecced, i could creat some problems but i think maybe a chance for people to put there side down like in real life when drivers are called in to the stewards office, maybe have it so before it is prossecced people have a chance to put there side down; i know its probably either crap or its in the works as it is with most of my suggestions

We've made it very clear on many occasions that if people want to appeal a decision, they can email or PM do0f. The admin decisions are very solid, and always based on the evidence in the replays submitted. There isn't any need for a debate where different sides present their argument. On the rare occasions where people feel very strongly that a decision is wrong, they invariably find their way to do0f's mailbox or PM window.

Drivers do get a message when they join James *sigh*

Regarding allowing drivers to state their side of the story before an admin has reviewed it. Well I made the decision not to put this in the system because it just encourages the drivers to argue. If drivers think they have a voice, and that the admin would listen, they'll push it for every thousandths of a second its worth, let alone every point or day of ban.

Worse than that, it would increase admin time to deal with each report and, you know what, when I look at all the appeals we get the only successful ones are when the wrong driver has been selected in a multi-driver report or something like that, its not the decisions that are wrong but sometimes a mouse click.

I'm not aware of any decisions that have ever been over-ruled, except where drivers havnt given enough info and have resubmitted (as described above) because the admin didnt waste their time trying to find what the driver was complaining about with the information they had.

If there is a problem we'll fix it. Until then i'd like to not break something that is working.

the only thing i can think of becky that you mean is the screen with i agree on it i never get a message when joining track, i aint been felling great these last couple of day and it has seemed to make me make worse suggestions then usual, and again sam i dont know what i meant tbo, sam come down to kent and give me a slap will you lol

you don't get this message?

Quote :

Warning, mid-race join detected
No points will be scored
Give full cooperation under blue flag

(not sure if the words are 100% correct)

yeah i get that but...... no ill resist ill just make an even greater fool of myself

If a driver is banned, how does he find out why? Does it say when you join? I have a report against me right now.

Hmmm demo racer , with a CTRA report. Anyway go to my CTRA page and look up why you have a report against you

Whilst a driver can still access the server they can lookup report ID#s and set their password for the My CTRA page.

They can't change/set a password on the web interface unless they've already set a password on a CTRA server. They can't do that if they're not S2, because there's no account to set a password against. You can look up a report without being logged into the system, if you have the report number.

http://www.raceauthority.com/lookup.asp?licence=myx

Quote from SamH :

That only happens when the replay you've selected for your report doesn't contain the incident you're reporting, or sometimes doesn't even contain the driver people are reporting. Platinum drivers definitely don't get off lighter, they come off worse.. expectations on higher licenced drivers are much greater.

[edit] I suspect that sometimes, people submit reports without checking the replay. It's also possible, at the end of the race, to select the race BEFORE the race you intend to report, because for you it's the last race you ran (just ended) but for the system, it doesn't become the last race until a new race begins (because that's when the replay is stored). This is why, if we can't find the incident you're reporting, we ask you to check the replay and resubmit. When drivers do that, they usually go "DOH! That was the race BEFORE the incident", they pick the right replay for a new report and resubmit

Oppps you are absolutely right - my apologies!

How can I re-submit the report with a different replay? From my HD as I stored it manually.

Cheers,
Marco

Actually, I can return that report to you and you can resubmit. The correct replay may still be in the system. Edit the report, and you'll see a list of other replays available from that day. If not, let me know and we'll find an alternative way