NFS sucks among other things because of ridiculous body kits and HUGE wings in cheap plastic look


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NFS is and will be a milestone for ricing games on PC. Hollywood candy graphics and the arcadeness will never get me playing those games. As I've stated several times on this forum, NFS series got messed up bad after Porsche Unleashed. Simulators will NEVER be as popular as arcade crap like NFS because mainstream wants entertainment, not realism.

To hell with NFS riceboys with their ridiculous NAAAAWWZZZ and wings.

Quote from Huru-aito :

need for speed sucks for a reason...they don't tell the players that what you do in the game is impossible to do in real life

lol it says it right at the beginning when its loading hahah

i wouldnt say its a process of 'growing up', i was playing NFSU all weekend last weekend because i never got it when it came out (kinda glad though lol it only costs 20$ now), its more or less just 'what your interested in' i just do it for the fun of it, thats what all those games are made for.. fun not realism

I played NFS the original when I got my first computer. Many of the folks I race now here in LFS were starting Kindergarden or the European equivelant when I first had that game. It was awesome back then, until I found Indycar Racing 2 which was more real. Then I didn't have a PC upgrade until last year when I tried NFS Porsche (was that 5?). Coming from only seeing the original NFS, I thought Porsche was awesome, for what it was. I was also starting with NR2002 then, just jumped on Porsche for some fun. I've never tried Underground or any of the NFS series after Porsche, it just all looked too Hollywood. Now NFS is just a game, like GT3 and GT4 where you have to upgrade, buy parts, etc. LFS is not a game, there is NO game play. It is strickly racing other people, just you, the track, and your opponents. Nothing to buy, nothing to upgrade, nothing to unlock, no game play whatsoever. And that is so much more satisfying getting online nightly and racing with your new found friends rather than beating a game. EA and the others only want to make profit. Where is the profit? It's designing games for 8 year olds to whatever age to run and buy every year. Simulation is where it's at with racing. The simulation community is now huge and growing daily as those 8, 10, 12 year olds from the Sony Playstation 1 era "racing" game fans are growing up. Someday, the simulation community will be as big as the gaming community, but we have a long way to go yet. Simulations are the only things loaded on my computer now, LFS, NR2003, and Microsoft Flight Sim. I no longer play ANY games on the computer!

The most horrible mistake in the NFS series was made when they released NFS 3. They just ruined the driving model, you couldn't even spin anymore. Luckily NFS 3 doesn't work under XP. But the multimedia showcases were great! But the game felt like plastic after the first 2 parts which were pure steel at their time.


And I really can't understand what kind of good could NOS bring to LFS? There are many this kind of engine tweaking methods and there is no need to use them all. Or any. If we wanted a full blown dragracing simulator, a lot of work is needed to get all that data unique for dragracing done well. Same goes for tractor pulling, NOS, VTEC, injecting water... etc...

When in other thread people talked about having bodykits and being able to use credits to buy them it was brought up that it would just make the fast even faster and the slow even slower. Why is NOS any different. You need the skill to use it right. And while everybody are using it...

Maybe someone would write a short introduction thread what LFS is about? And make it a sticky one:

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Live for Speed is a small development team dedicated to making the best online racing simulator. Our current release is S2 with which we attempt to recreate the thrill and fun of real racing, by simulating all aspects important to racing. Varying racing environments and cars which can be setup by an abundance of options - all on your home pc.

And more:

Quote from liveforspeed.net :

LFS S2 is a serious racing simulator. No arcade modes, no steering aids - YOU have to do the driving. It is therefore highly recommended to play the sim with a wheel, because even though you can use keyboard and/or mouse, a wheel is what you use in a real car, so a wheel should be used in a serious racing simulator. Especially when going online, where fast reactions are required.
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A serious simulator obviously requires a very good physics simulation to provide the thrill and fun of real racing. This is done by simulating all aspects that are important to racing. LFS S2 is the second step towards our vision of what the sim must become and already does a very good job in simulating real racing. Many racing aspects are covered - comprehensive setup possibilities, fuel usage, tyre wear, a lot of different surface types, intriguing racing environments, different car classes, etc. All these aspects make sure you have enough to practise with and spend time on learning the flow of the tracks. Additionally, don't forget to plan your pitstops - find out how much fuel your car uses on a track and how are your tyres behaving on any track, with your driving style. All aspects you will have to think about in real racing and as such you need to think about them in S2 as well.

Get a job? Thats how i made some money over the summer.

wait, hyperactive you said injecting water? you mean into a radiator or what? lol i know they have water injection back in alot of the faster WWII aircraft, but in a car? i dont think i've ever heard of that being done before?

Water can be injected into the engine in small amounts, or in force fed engines sprayed on an intercooler. The main purpose is cooling, it cools the intake air and in internal injection reduces temperatures in combustion chamber when ending the compression cycle which in turn reduces knocking.

In short, it's used to get more power out of the engine

Quote from zeeaq :

it all depends upon how fast u grow to hate nfs and like lfs......

I have to say Im growing up really quickly. Im only 13

Indeed it's all subjective of course.

I actually play a little Most Wanted here and there, it's fun for kicks and no of course it's not realistic in any way shape or form and I shut the damn music off hehe

But for killing a few minutes here and there it's cheap thrills

Why does it have to be NOS? why can't it be Nitrous Express or ZEX or Venom? I think what you are referring to is N20(Nitrous Oxide)...or you can just run around screaming NNAAWWWWWZZZZZZ and V-TECCCCCCCC if you would likeillepall

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N20(Nitrous Oxide)

Since you insisted on being specific, it's not N20 (twenty) but N2O (two-'o').

It's just a popular term there as "hoover". Hoover is a kind of a vacuum cleaner, yet it is commonly used to describe all vacuum cleaners. Nothing to get aggravated about, even if you disapprove of ZEX.

Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct?

That was sarcasm if you didn't notice

No but sugar in the fuel helps clean the injectors for users of N2O


But seriously no it does not android, urban legend.

Quote from dave4002000 :

Why does it have to be NOS? why can't it be Nitrous Express or ZEX or Venom? I think what you are referring to is N20(Nitrous Oxide)...or you can just run around screaming NNAAWWWWWZZZZZZ and V-TECCCCCCCC if you would likeillepall

Totally OT:

Is that seriously your sweet ride in your sig? (rhetorical I know)

I almost bought an 05 SRT-4 3 weeks ago - has yours treated you well even after the upgrades?

How much did you sink into the upgrades?

Sweet car do you have any videos?

Got to ride in a stock one this weekend.... Those things get to 200K+ in a serious hurry...

Quote from DodgeRacer :

But seriously no it does not android, urban legend.

Mark my post, just in case

Quote from AndroidXP :

Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct?

That was sarcasm if you didn't notice

Embarassingly I almost asked what that was ROFL

EDIT: Guess I should not admit that.... :hide: :shhh:

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Since you insisted on being specific, it's not N20 (twenty) but N2O (two-'o').

It's just a popular term there as "hoover". Hoover is a kind of a vacuum cleaner, yet it is commonly used to describe all vacuum cleaners. Nothing to get aggravated about, even if you disapprove of ZEX.

lol, thanks...damn keys are too close together

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Totally OT:

Is that seriously your sweet ride in your sig? (rhetorical I know)

I almost bought an 05 SRT-4 3 weeks ago - has yours treated you well even after the upgrades?

How much did you sink into the upgrades?

Sweet car do you have any videos?

Got to ride in a stock one this weekend.... Those things get to 200K+ in a serious hurry...

yes, it is my car no vids yet..hopefully i'll get some this summer at the drags...i've got about 28,000miles on it right now and i haven't had a single problem with it (::knocks on wood: including the mods..everything included i got somewhere between $5k-$6k into the motor. that's where i'm going to keep it power wise, i think ...it's my daily driver and it's starting to get hard to drive around on the streets...lol

i also recommend that you go back to where you ALMOST bought it...and BUY IT!...lol..i've loved it ever since it brand new, stock, off the showroom floor with 2 miles on it!

There was only 2 left in western Canada a few weeks ago they're probably gone now

So of course I never got to test driver one, they would've had to bring it from another dealer (wouldn't tell me where presumably so I couldn't just go there and buy it). I was slightly p/o'd because I knew more about the car than the fellow I was dealing with about it (I just walked in and said "I want to have one of these...").

It's one of those situations where I "could" get it technically but then we would've been financially a bit stretched and saving for our house would get seriously attenuated.... Plus my current car is almost paid off, so I could save a whole bunch in another year, or pay more than I am for 6 years.... To compromise I'm thinking of getting a turbocharging kit from Alpine for my current ride, at least I'd have SOME power then hehehe.

But I LOVE those SRT-4s, if you ever come to Alberta Canada give me call and take me for a rip!!!

That's the only car I would love to have that would reasonably accomodate my 2 boys.

Other than an STi but they're so overpriced it's mind boggling.

Quote from AndroidXP :

Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct?

no, cause there is no such thing as dihydrogen monoxide

hydrogen is an alkali metal; oxygen is ..well, in the oxygen family, both are on seperate ends of the periodic table; now if both were nonmetals, then you have binary molecules .. which thats the only time you would use the prefixes

so its hydrogen monoxide

but.. what are you talking about, your saying adding H2O (water) into your fuel makes you go faster.. lol correct me if im wrong, but that can do serious damage to an engine (possibly destroy it if its a diesel)

lol just did some research of what diyhdrogen monoxide is; apparently it was first 'announced' by a 9th grader in some highschool in 97; he said it was a dangerous chemical and killed thousands of people each year.. of his fellow schoolmates; "43 students decided the chemical should be banned, 6 were undecided, and 1 was correct by saying 'its only water'" the chemical became known as DHMO.. a fictitious chemical at that, since.. there is no such thing as dihydrogen monoxide
further reading here: (joe shmo source, but ..who knows) http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp

Stop flaming nitrous. I would like REALISTIC nitrous. Meaning, if the car isnt at WOT, then the nitrous will not spray. Before the rev limiter, the nitrous would shut off. AND, you don't press a button and go "naawwwwwzzzz!". Nitrous comes on automatically.

Quote from XCNuse :

but.. what are you talking about, your saying adding H2O (water) into your fuel makes you go faster.. lol correct me if im wrong, but that can do serious damage to an engine (possibly destroy it if its a diesel)

If you look closely at his (AndroidXPs) original post you can see the faint white writing.....

Quote from wheel4hummer :

Stop flaming nitrous. I would like REALISTIC nitrous. Meaning, if the car isnt at WOT, then the nitrous will not spray. Before the rev limiter, the nitrous would shut off. AND, you don't press a button and go "naawwwwwzzzz!". Nitrous comes on automatically.

A) If I had nitrous, when I used it I would probably be really tempted to shout "naaawwwwzzzz"

LOL Just kidding... sort of... I think

B) I don't think you HAVE to use a WOT switch with most systems but you can if you want.

Quote from zeeaq :

i do agree with XCNuse......i mean there is no reason to hate NFS.......its not that bad......though it doesn't come anywhere near LFS.......i just think its a process of growin up...........arcade racing comes first..........and then comes serious sim racing........but of course......LIVE FOR SPEED is at the top...........man lfs rocks......will be getting the full version soon.....

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need for speed sucks for a reason...they don't tell the players that what you do in the game is impossible to do in real life.....that being able to pass a car @ 200mph by just tapping one time to the left or right doesn't happen in real life........it's entertainment, maybe a bad streetracing (ricing? ) simulation that still has nothing to do with simulating the actual cars and how they work.....compare unreal tournaments with the rainbow 6 series....you have the same thing there......man this is cool....i'll start writing like this all the time..!

AHHH PERIOD OVERDOSE!!!!:scared: