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Tbh, I'm a bit surprised it's really ATi's fault.

No suprise really it's a very BIG ask to get the many tousands of variations of hardware and software that we have in modern PCs to work floorlessly together pretty sure you will find most times the debugging process takes as long or longer than the original writing of the code It's fairly obvious that Scawen and Co put alot of effort into LFS in this area

Well it's great too hear that the issue is being sorted out thanks sireric for the info.

I'm useing the CATALYST Version 5.13 and I have no Problems at all, 80-90fps. All settings on high.

AMD 64 2800+
ATI Radeon 9600xt 256mb
1gig of ddr ram

Quote from sireric :

Just a note for ATI users: we have found the driver issue and have corrected it internally and are currently running it through QA. It will not make it into the Cat 6.1 release but we are looking into the best way to get it out to users.

Our Devrel and driver people should be in touch with the developers already, or shortly.

Thanks for reporting the bug and sorry for the inconveniences. For further problems, you can file a ticket under the www.ati.com website in the "my support" section of the drivers.

Arse, I could really have done with it being in the next release, looks like I will have to go back to the 5.11's AGAIN for the start of the ESL season illepall.
Maybe a BETA version will rear its head, or a hotfix, failing that does anyone have the 5.11 DRIVER ONLY?, not the "full pack" just the display driver.

Dan,

Quote from danowat :

anyone have the 5.11 DRIVER ONLY?, not the "full pack" just the display driver.

Dan,

Hey Dan just use the low speed option and you can D/L all the bits separately 5.11 here
https://support.ati.com/ics/su ... knowledge&folderID=27

Dan theres some MS hotfixes over at rage3d forums if you get any other X2 problems mine seems more stable after I installed them (dosent help with this game btw) .

SD.

Cheers Dave

Dan,

Quote from sireric :

It will not make it into the Cat 6.1 release but we are looking into the best way to get it out to users.

Do you know approximately how long Cat 6.1 will be the default / official driver?

EDIT : Got my answer, below...

6.1 = year 6 = month 1

6.2 would be out approx feb 12th if we go by previous releases

Troy

OK, thanks! One month is bearable.

If i remember correctly, they have 3 versions ahead in development (so they will be working on 6.3 and just 'fixing bugs' in 6.2/6.1), so if its a 'fundimental' problem we could be talking longer

Im lucky as i dont use an ati for my home/game machine, just here at work

Troy

Quote from FlintFredstone :

If i remember correctly, they have 3 versions ahead in development (so they will be working on 6.3 and just 'fixing bugs' in 6.2/6.1), so if its a 'fundimental' problem we could be talking longer

Im lucky as i dont use an ati for my home/game machine, just here at work

Troy

Yes, we usually are around 3 releases or so. About 6~8 weeks for a specific bug fix to show up. I believe 6.2 will have this fix. We'll see if we can do a hotfix earlier.

As for lucky to not use an ATI for home/game, I think that's backwards. No other company is as consistent in updating drivers and fixing things; I believe we give the best game experience out there, both for the newest and for older HW. Certainly give the best visual experience.

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We'll see if we can do a hotfix earlier

Off topic ! Sireric . have you just downloaded LFS demo to test for this issue ? or have you played before? just wondering ,if the former what do you think of it? 1st impressions?

SD.

Quote from sireric :

Yes, we usually are around 3 releases or so. About 6~8 weeks for a specific bug fix to show up. I believe 6.2 will have this fix. We'll see if we can do a hotfix earlier.

As for lucky to not use an ATI for home/game, I think that's backwards. No other company is as consistent in updating drivers and fixing things; I believe we give the best game experience out there, both for the newest and for older HW. Certainly give the best visual experience.

I'm lucky I use an x1800xl at home.

I'm just a little miffed this issue slipped through the QA / regression testing because I'm pretty sure it's causing my slow down in GTR as well. Oh well, I'm going to roll back to 5.11 and wait for the package update.

Quote from SparkyDave :

Off topic ! Sireric . have you just downloaded LFS demo to test for this issue ? or have you played before? just wondering ,if the former what do you think of it? 1st impressions?

SD.

No, I personally haven't. I'll give it a whirl this week or this weekend.

Quote from der_jackal :

I'm lucky I use an x1800xl at home.

I'm just a little miffed this issue slipped through the QA / regression testing because I'm pretty sure it's causing my slow down in GTR as well. Oh well, I'm going to roll back to 5.11 and wait for the package update.

That I agree with. However, it's difficult to get everything tested, in every mode. Especially for such as significant code change. But you can use 5.11 for now. Or you can force single CPU (not a good idea, imo) mode :-)

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That I agree with. However, it's difficult to get everything tested, in every mode.

Trust me, I know.

See what happens when you hold a SpinLock for too long? (just taking a stab at the problem, never got it hooked up to a debugger..hehehe)

Quote from sireric :

Yes, we usually are around 3 releases or so. About 6~8 weeks for a specific bug fix to show up. I believe 6.2 will have this fix. We'll see if we can do a hotfix earlier.

As for lucky to not use an ATI for home/game, I think that's backwards. No other company is as consistent in updating drivers and fixing things; I believe we give the best game experience out there, both for the newest and for older HW. Certainly give the best visual experience.

Sireric, i wasnt having a go at ati, just saying im lucky because of the problem with lfs

BTW i was an ati owner at home at one time, unfortunately it was a rage 128 so i find it dificult to 'gamble' my money when thinking about getting an ati, i was seriously thinking of getting a 800xt last time out, but i chickened out (NV 7800GT now)

Troy

I have had ATI since my 9800, and have thought it was the best since, but the FEAR and this LFS episode makes me think otherwise.
Now come upgrade time I will seriously consider an Nvidia alternative.

Dan,

Quote from danowat :

I have had ATI since my 9800, and have thought it was the best since, but the FEAR and this LFS episode makes me think otherwise.
Now come upgrade time I will seriously consider an Nvidia alternative.

Dan,

having alternatives is always a good thing. i dunno about fear episode and couldnt careless (nv user for desktop here) but the lfs "thing" seems to me like its having the proper support and fix from ati. they even posted here.

WOW, now thats dedicated support for ya. NV user here also, always have been, but I have to say , to ATI for this support and answers, now where is that NV Guru I saw

Any news of a hot fix? would be handy, not sure how long I can hold off returning to the 5.11's

Dan,

9800XT

P4c 2.8 @ 3.1 with HT

Usually get 100fps +

With 5.13 I get less than 10!

As the problem has been found in the driver code, can it be specified in more detail what sort of hardware is affected? Is it all ATI cards in general? Thx...

It seems to affect a particular combination, that being an Intel HT P4, or a dual core AMD, and an ATI card.

Dan,

Quote from danowat :

It seems to affect a particular combination, that being an Intel HT P4, or a dual core AMD, and an ATI card.

Thanks for the info. This matches my setup exactly. So I'll stay with the 5.11 drivers for the time being...

Cat 6.1 is out.