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Quote from XCNuse :...hydrogen is an alkali metal; oxygen is ..well, in the oxygen family, both are on seperate ends of the periodic table; now if both were nonmetals, then you have binary molecules .. which thats the only time you would use the prefixes...

Are you serious? I'm no chemist but I know that hydrogen is a gas and so is oxygen (what exactly is the "oxygen family" anyway?) and by definition they are both non-metals. They're actually quite close to each other on the periodic table too: Hydrogen is no.1 and Oxygen is no.8 IIRC.

Just FYI
Quote from XCNuse :hydrogen is an alkali metal

Your reading the periodic table incorrectly!


Quote from XCNuse :oxygen is ..well, in the oxygen family

No, its in group 16.


Quote from XCNuse :now if both were nonmetals, then you have binary molecules

There's no such thing as binary molecules. Perhaps you mean binary compounds. And even then, a binary compound is a metal and a non-metal in a compound.


EDIT: @ Fun_Stuff @: I just found out that "nos" means "our" in french. So, "our" what? You think they should have our....?
"At standard temperature and pressure, hydrogen forms a diatomic gas, H2, with a boiling point of only 20.27 K and a melting point of 14.02 K. Under extreme pressures, such as those at the center of gas giants, the molecules lose their identity and the hydrogen becomes a metal."
source: Wikipedia

So, you're both correct. You can have aluminium as a gas if you go to the correct temperatures and pressures, and you can have solid oxygen in the same way. Metal does not mean not a gas.

"Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is an obscure name for water."

"A common misconception about water is that it is a powerful conductor of electricity. Any electrical properties observable in water are due to the ions of mineral salts and carbon dioxide dissolved in it. Water does self-ionize (two water molecules become one hydroxide anion and one hydronium cation), but only at a very slight, almost immeasurable level. Pure water can also be electrolized into oxygen and hydrogen gases but without any dissolved ions, this is a very slow process and thus very little current is conducted. Many bottled water companies exploit another common misconception, advertising both purity and taste, even though pure water is tasteless."
sources: Wikipedia.
doh ya, just rembered; it has the same qualities as the elements in group 1A, but its a noble gas.. confusing table

lol i can promise you i dont remember much from last semester in chemsitry class haha
Quote from letitb :Why Were They Flamed To Hell?

Because many immature little kids like to give us a bad reputation. Meanwhile you have some amazingly skilled drifters who are complete gentlemen, just trying to have some fun. It's an on-going "war" if you want.

(Sorry if this was late)
Quote from tristancliffe :"At standard temperature and pressure, hydrogen forms a diatomic gas, H2, with a boiling point of only 20.27 K and a melting point of 14.02 K. Under extreme pressures, such as those at the center of gas giants, the molecules lose their identity and the hydrogen becomes a metal."
source: Wikipedia

So, you're both correct. You can have aluminium as a gas if you go to the correct temperatures and pressures, and you can have solid oxygen in the same way. Metal does not mean not a gas.

"Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is an obscure name for water."

"A common misconception about water is that it is a powerful conductor of electricity. Any electrical properties observable in water are due to the ions of mineral salts and carbon dioxide dissolved in it. Water does self-ionize (two water molecules become one hydroxide anion and one hydronium cation), but only at a very slight, almost immeasurable level. Pure water can also be electrolized into oxygen and hydrogen gases but without any dissolved ions, this is a very slow process and thus very little current is conducted. Many bottled water companies exploit another common misconception, advertising both purity and taste, even though pure water is tasteless."
sources: Wikipedia.

Plus, Dihydrogen monoxide just means 2 hydrogen and one oxide (or oxygen) atoms forming the compound...
Quote from AndroidXP :Heh, I heard your car goes faster if you add dihydromonoxide to your fuel, is that correct?

That was sarcasm if you didn't notice

But there is a thing called water injection, it's just not used to put it in the combustion chamber, it is just there for cooling the air, so it is a form of intercooler.

It was mostly used during WW2 to raise the power of fighter planes
group "16" doesnt exist lol theres only 8 groups; the "oxygen family" is group 6 (unless you accidently hit 1) and yes i meant binary compounds; probably was thinking of the word molecules when i typed it

@tristan; anything can become a gas; it is just put as what it is found as in the world; its like water.. thats one of the few things you find in all 3 types of matter in normal conditions; but things like alluminum, you wont find liquid alluminum under normal conditions, only its solid form (well afaik, thats just an example..)
My god, what have I done :doh:
Quote from XCNuse :group "16" doesnt exist lol theres only 8 groups; the "oxygen family" is group 6 (unless you accidently hit 1) and yes i meant binary compounds; probably was thinking of the word molecules when i typed it

@tristan; anything can become a gas; it is just put as what it is found as in the world; its like water.. thats one of the few things you find in all 3 types of matter in normal conditions; but things like alluminum, you wont find liquid alluminum under normal conditions, only its solid form (well afaik, thats just an example..)

18 groups - have a look at the periodic table, and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table

And yes, I said anything can be a gas or a solid (although some things sublime straight from gas to solid and miss out liquid iirc).

Quote from AndroidXP :My god, what have I done

Thats the last time you'll be sarcastic on this forum
either way, i was right saying group 8A, because thats what it is.. actually i take that back, now its group O .. dunno why they changed it, but its not 8A anymore, its just.. O

there are 18 families, but the groups include:
1A alkali metals
2A alkaline earth metals
3A boron family
4A carbon family
5A nitrogen family
6A oxygen family
7A halogens
O (8A) noble gasses

now the inner transition metals go from 2B to 3B (remember, it starts at 3 and goes to 8B, then 1B, 2B) and those ARE considered groups, but they arent families

either way tristan, not everything at wikipidia is 'correct'.. keep in mind its run by people like you and i that .. in some terms may know absolutely nothing and just make up crap also known as "joe shmo" websites

im just telling you what i learned last semester lol..
*small edit-only read the first page when i posted this so it's almost OT by now :P *

oh cmon guys, i play nfs and i want to make one thing very clear...your cars only have gay stripes/wings/vinyl if you put them on there!!!

now with that out of the way, i enjoy both emminsely. I'm not too serious of a racer in lfs because i dont have the time needed to be more than ok but as far as the sim aspects of it, LFS is unsurpassed...so far. Need for speed is a great game but for those older than 15, most of the things in there are just too rediculous and voer the top to take seriously. game vs sim-they're both on your damn computer so it isnt real life. Sim nazi's are close-minded. ricer fanboys are just iggnorant of better things. both have flaws that parallel the games they enjoy
lol just like u guys, a normal topic turns into a comp on whos a scientist, well u all look like imature idiots,
Quote from wheel4hummer :but its only for drag-racing.

Not entirely true, use to be used in hillclimbing, historic Shelsley Walsh anybody? (thinks of Nick Mann's tubrocharged, nitrous injected Rover V8 Morris Minor )
Back on the original topic (I hate chemistry so aren't going to join in the Science club gathering )

I have occasionally wished there was a version of LFS with a physics engine, and no neon lights, bodykits or NOS, however, LFS is a circuit racing sim, it is entirely inappropriate for this kind of use. I think SEV took a risk when they allowed it to be opened up to some arcadey style racing, ramps, drfiting, banger racing, jumps, cops n' robbers etc. Not saying they shouldn't be there, they're fun in their own right just they can create an intrest from the typical Burnout/NFS player.
I agree with mattlikespeoples for the most part. I play LFS quite a bit and I think I'm quite fast, but I also play Gran turismo a good amount, as well as NFS & burnout, and that type of arcade style game. Because you think LFS rules (which it does in many many ways) doesn't mean other types of racing games suck, I don't see why so many people (not pointing at anyone in particular, it happens everywhere) try to group people into e.g. a LFS & NFS crowd. I personally happen to like small diversions like banger racing in LFS, these sorts of things can help the game as well (for example banger racing could be used as a test to improve the crash physics).

That said, I don't think nos would exactly fit into LFS Anyway just my 2p on this (off)topic.
Ok Whos Gona Be Next In Telling Us Bs About Nos?
Lol, well we're all still waiting for your first constructive post on the forum, lrdbsi. illepallGo on, surprise us.
Quote from ajp71 :I think SEV took a risk when they allowed it to be opened up to some arcadey style racing, ramps, drfiting, banger racing, jumps, cops n' robbers etc.

Err... Every good race sim, with cars suitable for it, allows you to drift. Because you could do this in real life, too.

I agree on the other stuff, but SEV hadn't done anything to make it driftable. It's just the way (to a certain degree) cars behave in real life.
Quote from lrdbsi :Ok Whos Gona Be Next In Telling Us Bs About Nos?

How about it's not the extra oxygen in Nitrous Oxide that makes it produce more power, but a lowered of the thermodynamic temperature - in effect it's just very efficient charge cooling.
Quote from ATHome :Err... Every good race sim, with cars suitable for it, allows you to drift. Because you could do this in real life, too.

I agree on the other stuff, but SEV hadn't done anything to make it driftable. It's just the way (to a certain degree) cars behave in real life.

Well drifiting could be removed from that list, I don't want to start another drift vs. race arguement. As for other things, the Papy/nK engine could have had ramps, autocross areas, drift setups, rallycross added to them with ease, they chose not to as they wanted to remain on the straight and narrow circuit sim. Without these side shows they escaped the average ricer turning up and asking for super turbo boost.
Quote from tristancliffe :How about it's not the extra oxygen in Nitrous Oxide that makes it produce more power, but a lowered of the thermodynamic temperature - in effect it's just very efficient charge cooling.

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Quote from lrdbsi :fruit cake

oh shut up already. Someone PLEASE ban this guy. Just because tristan has more knowledge than you doesnt mean you should act like a 5 year old and bash him whenever you get the chance.
Quote from tristancliffe :How about it's not the extra oxygen in Nitrous Oxide that makes it produce more power, but a lowered of the thermodynamic temperature - in effect it's just very efficient charge cooling.

Really?

I knew of course that it cools the charge seriously, but I would've thought that the oxygen present would also burn... It decomposes into N and O at 300-575 degrees (big range, 300 is for N20 under pressure) and a quick glance at an MSDS reveleals that it highly supports combustion, presumable because of all that oxygen being released with high temperatues involved in combustion.... Pretty sure that both effects are present and contribute to the extra power.

Correct me if I am wrong
Quote from Vendetta :oh shut up already. Someone PLEASE ban this guy. Just because tristan has more knowledge than you doesnt mean you should act like a 5 year old and bash him whenever you get the chance.

Just set him on your ignore list, like I did a long time ago.

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