Oh and when i race these changes makes the races more realistic
and bring more challenge!
So f*** these noobs who hate these changes cuz Scawen will keep em for the patch Y!
btw drifting is 150% more fun with these changes.and races are 200% more fun with these changes!
I haven't tried the new patch yet. Is drifting more difficult? Also, a pretty big chunk of people who play LFS like to drift, even if they race as well. When I first got S2 I only drifted, but now I race about the same amount. When racers say that drifters are bad for LFS they fail to realize that like me, they are potential racers. At what point can the devs implement changes for both racers and drifters? When drifters make up 50% of licensed drivers? 40%? A lot of people drift here and should get some consideration.
Having a rev limit is realistic and nearly all modern road cars have one, and if your hitting it routinely you need to rethink something. The clutch temperature meter should be removed from patch Y onwards online IMO, we've seen that it's simulated we don't need little bars to tell us.
LFS is an 'Online Racing Simulator' selling a drift package would only result in anger when new users can't accept the fact that LFS is designed to cater for racers.
This is one of those things we can argue forever, but i'd prefer keeping the tyre and clutch temp meters, since we lack other clues that would be there IRL. Especially thinking new players here, it would be hard for the newbies to learn to save the tires/clutch without those meters.
+ 1 for the second question. I like the idea how they could pay a little amount to beeing able using the XRT aswell. But on the other hand it could make trouble, when demo users have 4 cars might start thinking it`s good enough for them, they don`t need more, and therfor they would not buy a lisence.
It could work both ways
A definite -1 for the first option. Damage is here to stay, get used to it.
I don't see the point in the second option though. As I said before, demo users are using just as much of the Master Server as licensed users, yet they pay nothing. Drifters favour the XRT so they really have very little need to upgrade to S2 - ever. Meaning they keep using that free server forever.
Now they either buy the full product and contribute to the server upkeep, or they get nothing.
i fail to see how it's a side effect of the physics... you're saying that in real life, drifting is a side effect of the law of physics?? O.o... if lfs is wants the cars to drive realistically of course people are gonna try to drift it, it's no side effect... yes lfs is made for the sole purpose of being a racing sim, but scawen is trying to make the physics as real as possible, unless he makes it so that drifting is physically impossible... now that wouldn't be realistic at all would it? so unless you can explain exactly how drifting is a side effect of physics in real life then i don't think you can claim what you say
What everyone is saying is STOP THE F**KING constant stream of crap requests to change the sim, cars, tracks, remove tyre wear, harder tyres, remove clutch temp etc for drifters BECAUSE LFS is focused on racing.
Stop with the drifting is racing BS while we are at it as well. It is NOT. It is a sport but it is NOT racing. A sport is not racing when you are judged on style. A sport is racing when the ONLY thing that matters is who crosses the finish line first.
To put that in another setting, say winter sports...
Racing is downhill ski racing. (Timed)
Drifting is a halfpipe comp. (Judged)
Or move it to ice...
Racing is speed skating. (Timed)
Drifting is figure skating. (Judged)
Is a Halfpipe comp or figure skating a race? NO. Both take a lot of ski but it is NOT racing.
I started a poll to see if adding a car that was setup for drifter that allowed big steering lock etc would stop the fights but no. Drifters were voting no and then saying it was not needed if all the cars in LFS were changed as they wanted.
erm... to let you know i wasnt complaining about anything... i was just asking him to explain how drifting is a side effect of the lfs physics lol... i actually like the list of cars and tracks and im not for increasing the maximum lock or adding an extra drift car... i understand fully that this is a racing sim first, you woulda known that if you read my other posts i was just merely asking how its a side effect which doesn't make any sense at all... and i never said drifting is racing xD they're totally different... i do both but i mainly drift instead of race
people when racing the old fiat 128 used to run them to 9000 rpm on standard crank, rods and pistons, mid '80s FWD toyota corrolla gti had a 7800 red line and it would hang together at hight revs, the 2lt starion turbo run by colin blower used to run its standard crank and rod engine to 9000 once the balancer shafts had been removed and he once admitted to hitting 12,000 when involved in a close race.
if we want to be really picky, we could bring up the honda s600 which was similar in concept to the mg midget, it produced peak power at 9500 rpm and redlined at 10,000 rpm and that was produced in 1964, even the s800 successor used to rev to 8,500 rpm
Im not being picky about this.Ok you proved to me that a car LIKE the XFG can rev up to 10000 rpm.All im saying is,the rev limiters can stay as they are now.
All the cars you mentioned there have very small engine capacities in a selection of funny engines, most of which would have been built as full race engines supposedly with standard bits in them, like they're ever checked. I don't believe that standard conrods would still be attached to the pistons at 12000 rpm in that Starion for starters. A typical lightly modified road engine that hadn't been rebuilt from block up as a racing engine with racing components will be much more like the current cars in LFS.
Ok fine alot people here pissed me now off, who the hell says drifting is no Sport? Show me the OFFICAL line where it 100% says "Drifting is no Sport", and no Sport is not who crosses first the line, then football would be unfair due all the Lines. A Sport is where u can win and loose - thats Sport (Not Ahtletic). And i have something to say about those people who keep whining for better drift features, if you have a car then you have it until you are uber rich to buy a good engine and all standarts for the Drifting scene. You can drift almost with every car you drive in real life if you are good. If you can drive a car seriously good then you should know what really matters about a good Racing Simulator. Another thing: Racing doesnt automaticaly means you have to cross the line first its about Timing, Drifting is also about Timing too!
Now seriously stop whining about such shit im sick of it i read it everyday i usually dont reply to such stuff but this time you got me on a high level of madness
Drifting is a sport and it is also a motor sport. Everyone here agrees that BTW. It is not a race though.
Now to correct you. In racing the ONLY thing that matters is who crossed the line first. NOTHING ELSE, apart from rules infringments, will change the result. 1st place is ALWAYS the first to cross the line.
In fact none of the follow matter in a race, just to help clear things up for you...
- Timing
- Fastest lap
- Driving style
- If you drift
- How much smoke you make
ciph. There isn`t a single sensible poster in here that says "drifting isn`t a sport"
It is definitely a sport, with motors. It`s a motorsport, no question or arguments about that at all. Most of the problem is down to the racing terminology.
A race is only ever down to whichever of the participants crosses the finish line first. There are no points for style, angle of drift, the lifestyle you lead, or anything else. Only your finishing place.
Drifting may award token points for your finishing place but in general it`s more about style, skill at holding big-ass angles, touching the apex and perfectly resolving the drift at the ends of corners than it is about finish order, therefore it is not a race.
This is where a lot of the arguments come from, when someone says "drifting is racing" which it most definitely is not. Drifting is unarguably a popular motorsport, but it certainly is not a race.
jp xD
