Quote from henrico-20- :

- More horsepowers ( 350 / 400 bhp for longer faster slides )
- 45 degrees lock for more angel and controling yr drift )
- better tires that are not to hot after one lap.
- higer rpm like it was in patch X! now when u are in a drift yr car gets to early in the rev limiter and yr car gets unstable.

I don't see how that will not spoil a great car

Well at least it wouldn't spoil anything if there would be two versions of XRT. Original and this... umm drift car.

There is no need to adapt, many of you guys keep bringing up the word adaption, that is in no way what this thread is about, it's about a race car that has capabilities of drifting, it's got a big turbo, bigger engine, rollcage, and some wings and spoilers for downforce.

This thread has NOTHING to do with the XRT in any form.

Yes/No? It has American V8, many HP, will drift long

Quote from JTbo :

Yes/No? It has American V8, many HP, will drift long

I'd really love to see more of a closed wheel roadster AC like with a V8.. Although a v8 station wagon, would be fun

Quote from ghost racer :

I'd really love to see more of a closed wheel roadster AC like with a V8.. Although a v8 station wagon, would be fun

With this sound and this kind of abilities it would be quite interesting drift car

Quote from hrtburnout :

Then adapt to the situation. The tire heat problems can be solved by using Road Normals, instead of Road Supers. Change your gear ratios if you hit the limiter while drifting. Maybe you need to change to a different technique if 247bhp is not enough for you.

I'm using Normals allready and still verry hot after one maybe ona and a half lap. changed my ratio's but any drifter agrees that the change from 9500 to 7500 is bad for drifting. now you must change gear a lot more what makes it more difficult. and yes i did practise and getting more and more to my old level but its just not the same.

p.s. love yr Avater

Quote from squidhead :

I don't see how that will not spoil a great car

read what i have written behind those points

Quote from XCNuse :

There is no need to adapt, many of you guys keep bringing up the word adaption, that is in no way what this thread is about, it's about a race car that has capabilities of drifting, it's got a big turbo, bigger engine, rollcage, and some wings and spoilers for downforce.

This thread has NOTHING to do with the XRT in any form.

I know but i've written about XRT to show what must be changed to make a XRT the prefect drift "CAPABEL" car

I would love having cars like this in LFS, Big turbo, no interiors, Imoprt 18inch rims, wings, bodykit, drift options like written above

Nissan S13 ( XRT look a like )


Toyota AE86:


Nissan S13 Silvia:


And wouldn't it be fun for racing??

I got a wild idea and made me a drift car.
Recipe:
1 pcs LX6
110 kg iron at the front axle
some Nm extra spring at the front
damper tune to tase

Result:
I like it, the extra weight balances the ketchup effect, it still got lots of power (300bhp/ton) and a easy to handle 56,8%F weight distribution.
There is however some (read alot) of mid speed understeer (probably due to my crappy setup skill) but read my sig on that matter.

(This weight penalty system is quite a powerful mod tool if you are willing to drive a slower car)

isnt the xrt and fzs enough 4 drifting?
(im glad the xrt is gone!!!!!! no more noobs drifting it!!!!!! in ur race)

fbm is way better thx devs!

Quote from rainspecialist :

isnt the xrt and fzs enough 4 drifting?
(im glad the xrt is gone!!!!!! no more noobs drifting it!!!!!! in ur race)

fbm is way better thx devs!

How do you know about speeds of an FZ5? are you using a Cracked version..?

and about those noobs.. yes thats on demo servers! on S2 servers you don't see things like that..

Quote from henrico-20- :

I'm using Normals allready and still verry hot after one maybe ona and a half lap. changed my ratio's but any drifter agrees that the change from 9500 to 7500 is bad for drifting. now you must change gear a lot more what makes it more difficult. and yes i did practice and getting more and more to my old level but its just not the same.

But in reality you would loose ALOT of torque at that high of a RPM. I never had super short gearing on the XRT, so I didn't have a drastic change. I feel you hit redline alot more realistically now.

Quote from Bob Smith :

The idea has its merits but its downsides too.

O/T:

Grammatical point: drifting is another form of motorsport, unrelated to racing.

So is drag racing. Your point being?

But I can set the xrt to drift though I wouldnt mind 600hp xrt+

Drag racing is another form of motorsport, completely related to racing - that's why it's called Drag RACING. If it wasn't related to racing it'd be called "Drag Showing Off". Which is more of a Tim Curry thing.

YES!
racers have over than 900 combos for racing.
i pay for LFS and i'm drifter, so car for drifting isn't that big problem for DEVS, and it will greatest gift from devs ever
lfs is ONLY RACING sim?
cruise servers = racing servers eh? sure...

Quote from tristancliffe :

But obviously I touched a nerve with you. But it's true - drift cars have stickers on the wrong way round for no real reason other than the driver being able to admire himself skidding about in the reflections of glass fronted buildings.

Tristan, even only just reading your final post here, I can see that once again, I can, but only agree with you 100%.

Drift car is a stupid idea, There is no difference between a 'drift' car and a race car anyway, both slicks/racing seats/racing suspension/racing engines, the only thing that is different is the setup...... The GTR XRR actually looks alot like something you would see in D1GP, so instead of making a new car and wasting time, why not make the car more driftable, because to me, it's a REAL hard one to keep a slide going, unless someone can prove otherwise, and go against this idea futhermore!

Quote from JTbo :

But who would not like?

Well, in enginerical terms, it mis-fires like a BITCH. I thought I would of been 5 cylinders but it wasn't It's kinda cool to see a Volvo with alot of Power tho, they are just Boxes with wheels on (the old ones anyway) something I like about the box shape, I would love to have an only 750i Estate, and make it look like the BTCC cars :P

i was on Rudskogen and saw that taxi, it had sidepipes inside the skirt and the skirt had melted

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well, in enginerical terms, it mis-fires like a BITCH. I thought I would of been 5 cylinders but it wasn't It's kinda cool to see a Volvo with alot of Power tho, they are just Boxes with wheels on (the old ones anyway) something I like about the box shape, I would love to have an only 750i Estate, and make it look like the BTCC cars :P

(NOTE: I am not a big fan of drift BUT see the need for a car. Please take the time to read)

Nice to see you ONLY read the last post before you decide what the poll is ACTUALLY about. Shame as XCNuse, a forum mod, has tried to get people to understand. Quick recap of the problem...

Drifters want huge huge lock on their cars so they can hold big angles. If we allow these big locks, 45+ deg, on the cars it will allow people to catch mistakes in a race that under normal conditions would not be catchable. For obvious reason this is NOT wanted.

Drifters also want a car with far more power than the XRT. The FZ5 is more powerful but does NOT have the right balance. Changing ANY of the cars we have is also a BAD idea because we have just been through 2 patches worth of balancing. The last thing we want is to bugger that up.

Yes we ALL know you can drift the current cars before you start that broken record that keep coming up from different people.

As you yourself have pointed out, the main difference IS setup. Nobody would disagree with that. But LFS setup does not allow the extreme settings wanted by the drifters. We already KNOW we don't want to allow these extremes on the current cars.

So having a car that allows the extremes wanted by the drifters keeps the cars we have in good shape, does not allow catches of mistakes that should not be catchable etc.

The plus side for us racers, we get a new well balanced powerful RWD car to play with that when given a race setup will be a great fun car.

hmmmmm. That should make everyone happy? No?

Hope that helps you understand

(Over half the people who voted appear to understand anyway)

Quote from Woz :

(NOTE: I am not a big fan of drift BUT see the need for a car. Please take the time to read)

Nice to see you ONLY read the last post before you decide what the poll is ACTUALLY about.

I took the time to read and why do you think I only read the last post? I said I only read TRISTANS last post.

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The FZ5 is more powerful but does NOT have the right balance.

I don't really get where you are coming from because it's the best car to drift with it's more predictable the the XRT for me, and it has the power to boot you out of the corners, it also has weight at the back to help loom the backend around and dig the tires in at the right time when exiting a corner.

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Changing ANY of the cars we have is also a BAD idea because we have just been through 2 patches worth of balancing. The last thing we want is to bugger that up.

This I agree with

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Yes we ALL know you can drift the current cars before you start that broken record that keep coming up from different people.

But the point is, if you can drift the current cars, why do you need a NEW car to do something you can already do?

You can't DRIFT better In one car than in another to the same extent you can't RACE a car better than you can RACE another.

It doesn't matter if that car 'isnt for you' the fact you need a NEW car to balance that out, for what seems like a minority is stupid, I like drifting, haven't been on a drift server for a while, but I enjoy gunning it stupidly in a corner as much as the next guy, If I can drift admireably and happily with XRT, XRG, FZ5, LX4 and LX6, or even the RB4 or FXO, yes FXO. Why can't you guys?

Then lets swipe all the cars out of LFS, oh the XRR is only a faster souped up version of the XRT so it can go, but then again the XRT is only a souped up version of the XR so that can go, the XF GTR can go cause.. it's just a GTi with more power.. FXO can go too since it's just a GTi with a different body, little longer, but it's mainly the same thing with a turbo.

Lets give LFS a bycicle and thats all we need.


(by the way, there is no need to balance this car because most surely it'll be in a class of its own)

I will re-itterate my point, as I knew this would happen, I thought it would be someone with a lack of interlect, not you XCNuse... Although what you posted was funny

Why would one need a special DRIFT car, specifically made for DRIFTING, when you can already DRIFT with the other DRIFTING cars YOU DRIFTING DRIFT DRIFTITY DRIFT person.

And my point about saying you can't DRIFT better in another car goes THIS far, if one were to poll up for a Drag Racing car, that would be a 100% yes for me, because it's a specialist car for drag racing, you wouldn't see one going around a circuit. That's the thing about drifting, just lower your tire-pressures for GOD sake and just drive at a nice speed all you have with a 'drift' car is a new car with more steering lock, so basically all you need would be XRR with more steering lock, but what would be the point in that?

I forgot the 50 billion smiles in that post lol I was trying to insist a Jeremy Clarkson type view on that last post lol

So your point is that you think we should make due with what we have.
Yeh, but who doesn't want something different for a change?

I mean a single car in any direction for LFS would be excellent for the game, get a real rally car, a funny car, a top fuel drag car, a truck, you name it that fills in those holes LFS is gaping with and LFS would be amazing, it's just.. missing racing.. in general.

There are soooo so many aspects of racing, yet LFS has kept it so slim this whole time, it's about time LFS branches out (or soon I should say), because the limits of what the current vehicles are are just.. far to limited, there are so many things LFS is capable of but just can't show them off because it's missing that aspect of racing.

The thrill of having an offroad truck, or a rally spec car, who cares if we only have one car per class, you can't get your jollies off of drag racing right now because we technically.. don't have a drag spec vehicle by any sense.

if you see where I'm going with that?

Quote from BlueFlame :

But the point is, if you can drift the current cars, why do you need a NEW car to do something you can already do?

Looks like I need to quote MOST of my post you replied to to answer this one for you but first this line you appear to miss. Looks like the broken record came out again

Quote from Woz :

Yes we ALL know you can drift the current cars before you start that broken record that keep coming up from different people.

You really have no idea WHY they would want more lock do you and YES we can all drift the FZ5. And now the why, which I already answered for you but you missed...

Quote from Woz :

Drifters want huge huge lock on their cars so they can hold big angles. If we allow these big locks, 45+ deg, on the cars it will allow people to catch mistakes in a race that under normal conditions would not be catchable. For obvious reason this is NOT wanted.

Drifters also want a car with far more power than the XRT. The FZ5 is more powerful but does NOT have the right balance. Changing ANY of the cars we have is also a BAD idea because we have just been through 2 patches worth of balancing. The last thing we want is to bugger that up.

As you yourself have pointed out, the main difference IS setup. Nobody would disagree with that. But LFS setup does not allow the extreme settings wanted by the drifters. We already KNOW we don't want to allow these extremes on the current cars.

So having a car that allows the extremes wanted by the drifters keeps the cars we have in good shape, does not allow catches of mistakes that should not be catchable etc.

The plus side for us racers, we get a new well balanced powerful RWD car to play with that when given a race setup will be a great fun car.

One final time BTW just to make it clear...

Quote from Woz :

Yes we ALL know you can drift the current cars before you start that broken record that keep coming up from different people.

And NO the FZ5 does not have the balance drifters want. Its the SAME reason you do not see many 911s and other RR cars in D1GP etc.

One final BTW. No 36deg is not big enough lock to hold the stupid angles. Bigger lock = more control at bigger angles. Try it yourself, lower the XRT lock to 20degs and then try to hold the same angle over a long slide. You cant.

Yes, I do agree XCN, but there is no real difference between XRR and this http://www.d1gp.co.jp/drivers_machines2007_18_koguchi.html just that the XRR has more Aerodynamic body parts, ok thats a given :P

Thats the reason why drifting sucks. Ask anyone. name a race series.. F1. DTM. FIA GT and NASCAR, ask them to name a drift series. It's only D1GP. So basically Woz, you are saying you want an AE86 or an S16 with a huge spoiler (although this is drift, what would they want rear downforce for?!) and shiny well polished of RAYS engeneering wheels, with amazing flashes of Aqua blue and Sherbet Green with a definative Japanese style. With a 'drift' car you are just asking for D1GP basically. If there is a tweak that comes out, why doesn't someone smart make one like a D1 car, which in the most case they aren't even that tuned just 100 or so more horsepower than the XRT with low profile tyres and a bigger spoiler.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Yes, I do agree XCN, but there is no real difference between XRR and this http://www.d1gp.co.jp/drivers_machines2007_18_koguchi.html just that the XRR has more Aerodynamic body parts, ok thats a given :P

Thats the reason why drifting sucks. Ask anyone. name a race series.. F1. DTM. FIA GT and NASCAR, ask them to name a drift series. It's only D1GP. So basically Woz, you are saying you want an AE86 or an S16 with a huge spoiler (although this is drift, what would they want rear downforce for?!) and shiny well polished of RAYS engeneering wheels, with amazing flashes of Aqua blue and Sherbet Green with a definative Japanese style. With a 'drift' car you are just asking for D1GP basically. If there is a tweak that comes out, why doesn't someone smart make one like a D1 car, which in the most case they aren't even that tuned just 100 or so more horsepower than the XRT with low profile tyres and a bigger spoiler.

No. That is NOT what I am saying at all.

I think the problem is that you and many other hear the word "Drift" and shut off your brain. The fact that the car is AIMED at drifters DOES NOT MEAN it will be of no use to racers. It will.

I get the feeling you are really saying "No no I dont want a new RWD car in LFS because you said the word drift."

I am saying that the car would ALLOW the extreme setups that drifters want. You appear to believe that a GTR car is anything like a D1GP car, It isnt.

A GTR spec car with the wheel size it has and engine etc could never get the lock required in the wheel arch for 45+ degrees. There is just not the space under the hood for it.

D1GP cars have to follow a set of "rules" just like any other car that enters any other form of motorsport (See I didnt call it a race). The spoiler is probably not even needed BTW if that helps.

As XCN has stated at other places in this thread. Think of it as a high spec "track car" that just happens to allow the extreme setup options wanted by drifters.

Does that help.

XCN: You should have changed the thread to "Should LFS get a new track car that allows the settings drifters want."