http://www.messe.at/db.cgi/347 ... 6/company/messen.html?v=7
http://eas2006.expoplanner.com/

@Kid: thanks for the offer, I'm not masochistic, though
(I was being sarcastic but I figured not everybody would get it and especially people whose native language isn't english need pretty good sarcasm detectors to spot that. And for those situations I planted the invisible text to make a fool of the ones who don't get it )

Quote from deggis :

I'd say please don't use Blackwood. It has great scenery but on the other hand (at least for me) it's the most "fantasy-looking" track. Maybe you should use different track (and car?) combo every day.

It is NOT a matter of what YOU like, but what is most useful for newbie drivers, controllable and entertaining. And there you need a rather short track and a driveable car for people who have never driven a sim. The city tracks are too difficult, fern bay isnt graphically up to date and Aston, kyoto and westhill are boring with the slower cars (always pov of a newbie). Blackwood has nice trees, turning windmills etc. At the moment, a visitor comes back several times, and there is some time, he can have a drive in another car and on another track, but that's the minority. You dont have to change track and car daily therefor, cause the visitor from sunday doesnt know - and doesnt care - which car was driven on saturday, except he takes part in the competition. Then he might want to drive exact same car and track combo...

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And the the extra monitor idea would be very good to get on. As we all know one of the best parts in LFS is that how real it looks from the outside. Just get some league replays. Or playback some racing movies (without sound/music, so the legal problems are solved and you don't need to edit them ), you just need to contact the authors.

this is a simple money and place issue.

All those who give nice and fast ideas, please remember that this isnt the first show, cyberseat is doing with LFS, besides the people at the booth arent the first time on such a show. There already exists some experience, and as you can read from my answers, which are based on experience with LFS and some shows over the last couple of years.
FFS, let the pros do their work! j/k rock on guys
Looking for some two funny days in vienna, guys!

Quote from Vykos69 :

It is NOT a matter of what YOU like

I'm too lazy to write "IMO" after every line.

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but what is most useful for newbie drivers, controllable and entertaining. And there you need a rather short track and a driveable car for people who have never driven a sim. The city tracks are too difficult, fern bay isnt graphically up to date and Aston, kyoto and westhill are boring with the slower cars (always pov of a newbie).

Blackwood is rather long track. Aston Club or even Cadet would fit perfectly with the GTi if that's the car you are going to use. The problem with Blackwood is that it looks too much a fantasy (of course it is fantasy but e.g. Aston and Kyoto looks like a real life track).

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this is a simple money and place issue.

So you don't even consider that?

The short tracks like Club and Cadet are to easy though - Blackwood is a brilliant balance of difficulty and length, so that people get a decent amount of time on the seat (only 3 laps remember), and experience all it has to offer.

Quote from deggis :

Blackwood is rather long track. Aston Club or even Cadet would fit perfectly with the GTi if that's the car you are going to use. The problem with Blackwood is that it looks too much a fantasy (of course it is fantasy but e.g. Aston and Kyoto looks like a real life track).

Your are right about Aston cadet, this is probably the only other track, I'd consider interesting and drivable for n00bs (in gti), while GamesConvention 2004showed, that t1 and the downhill chicane is a newbie killer. Aston Club is way to difficult: the chicane in sector one is a more: "I have to know where to go cause i cant see" - thing, last turn/chicane is a killer too.

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So you don't even consider that?

That is not in our hands, besides the fact, that it doesnt attract people.

Quote from AndroidXP :

http://www.messe.at/db.cgi/347 ... 6/company/messen.html?v=7
http://eas2006.expoplanner.com/

sorry, but where do you see there any information of the "messe" on 3rd-5th Feb?
i find do nix, verdammt...
bin i zu dumm, oder was?

ich mein den link kenn i eh, aber da steht werder was von dieser messe, noch sonst was...
was ist das für ne messe?

sry for the german, but i really think, i'm blind

what kind of event is that and what can we see there beside LFS?
i really didn't managed to get this info...

well, i prefere german descriptions, but i'm going to read the PDF on this page:
http://eas2006.expoplanner.com/att_brochure.asp

/edit:
well, seem to be a seminar (session) fair...
am i right...

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Oh, da scheint die Navigation irgendwie über Sessions gelöst zu sein, deswegen funzt der Link nicht. Hab auch lang gebraucht bis ich das gefunden hab: Geh auf die verlinkte Seite, links im Navigationsmenü dann den untersten Link ("Congress-Center"), dann den obersten ("alle Gast-Veranstaltungen"). Dort sieht man dann zumindest die EAS aufgelistet. Anfahrtsplan, etc. gibts links, ansonsten nur den Link auf die EAS page, den ich eh auch schon angegeben habe.
[/ger]

PS: http://eas2006.expoplanner.com/german.asp

Quote from AndroidXP :

[ger]
Oh, da scheint die Navigation irgendwie über Sessions gelöst zu sein, deswegen funzt der Link nicht. Hab auch lang gebraucht bis ich das gefunden hab: Geh auf die verlinkte Seite, links im Navigationsmenü dann den untersten Link ("Congress-Center"), dann den obersten ("alle Gast-Veranstaltungen"). Dort sieht man dann zumindest die EAS aufgelistet. Anfahrtsplan, etc. gibts links, ansonsten nur den Link auf die EAS page, den ich eh auch schon angegeben habe.
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PS: http://eas2006.expoplanner.com/german.asp

thx...

[german]
soweit bin ich auch gekommen, nur hab ich die messe eben nicht aufgelistet gesehen!
[/german]

well, so what can i see on this event?
although i read the PDF file (well, parts of it) i can't really imagine what is waiting for me, besides the most interesting thing LFS
no seriously, this event is for bussines-people, i'm i right?

well, think i can come on sunday...
hope to be there at 12am...
so, cya guys...

Quote from tristancliffe :

I have Florians t-shirt, and I'll be bringing it over with me, so I can return it. I washed it too

Thanks. I guess the washing was really necessary after the karting race

Quote from tristancliffe :

I think Florian is doing something with CD's, so how are these going (out of interest)?

Yes, I've ordered some CDs last week, now I only hope that they'll arrive in time.


Anyway, looking forward to meet you on Saturday. I'll arrive around 8:51 at the trainstation west (Westbahnhof), you will probably still be sleeping at the time

Sleeping? I reckon I'll be setting up at the show!!!

Nearly ready! Got a few things to collect from Staines for Cyberseat, and a bit of throwing stuff into a bag, and then we're off.

On my memory stick I have Patch Q, and I have figured out how to map restarts onto a wheel button (lovely!), as well as a few skins and setups that might come in handy. Anything else I should take?

Leaving here at about 5.30 to catch a bus to Heathrow, and my flight is at 8pm, so if you hear any news about Austrian Airlines crashing, let my parents know

Thanks for all the suggestions and the support (and the help if you're actually coming), and thanks to Scawen and Victor for sending me the postcards.

have a good flight, cya tomorrow tristan.

Have fun you 2

Heh, in the end, the LFS/Cyberseat booth will be crowded by half the forum

nice imagination
can't wait to get to know ya all...
unfortunately i'm only ther on sunday...

is someone taking a video cam to the show...
don't know if i can get the one of my parents...
also don't know if a have a digicam...

....my whole mony was spent for LFS, the computer and the wheel :-P hehehe

I am just informing everyone, who thinks of going there, that there is no 1-day ticket available (at least it wasn't today and it didn't sounded that it would change...) Anyway, the only way in is a three-day pass which costs 50 €... If any of you have second thoughts about going there, it would be perfectly understandable...

Wait what, the visitors have to pay, too? That sucks

Looks like I'm the first to report back here

So, I decided to shell out the 50€ to go to the EAS - I've just returned and what can I say? It was great meeting all those nice people there, and while it wasn't quite half the forum, it was great fun nevertheless.

Kudos to Vykos and Flo, who're on their way back to Germany right now () and of course also to bbman and tristan, which I'll be seeing again tomorrow anyways.

To the EAS itself, well IMO it's not quite the right environment for LFS, but more for Cyberseat which was clearly the main attraction (with LFS luring in the curious ). The people there weren't quite the racing enthusiasts but more of the businessman kind. You have to understand, these were people who really *considered* buying the Cyberseat (the setup is about 12.000€, mind you), which is normally far out of range for the causal gamer.

The only thing that really sucked was the attendee model of the EAS, because 50€ entry fee is simply too much and scares away anyone who just wants to take a casual look at the exhibits.


Whatever, I'm back again tomorrow, and I think you can expect pictures then too (Vykos and Flo took some).

Keep posting the reports

The fastest time someone drove was 1:50 (GTi@BL1) which wasn't bad at all considering he did it on his third lap playing LFS the first time ever. Most other people had laptimes more in the range of three to five minutes, if they even finished at all.

Most of the time it went like this:

1. Kiss wall at T1
   
2. Spin out at chicane (wth, spin out in the GTi?)
   
3. T3: many people learned by then that when we say "brake now" we mean it. Resulted just getting a bit sandy tyres most of the time.
   
4. Chicane#2: Saw that funny line of tyres over there? They're gone now.
   
5. T6: See T3
   
6. T7: I think there were surprisingly few wall-smacks there, but touching the grass was pretty common.

Also people would plow into corners full brakes and full lock everytime (poor tyres ).


Anyways, my best time at FOX/BL1 was 1:12.something so the Cyberseat, while being fun, doesn't make you any faster, period.

heya,

I got back yesterday evening but was so damn tired, I fell to bed immediately. Just sorting the pics and movies I made. Will upload them during the day. It was more a trade show, than a public exposition. Therefor it was really intersting for some contacts with some companies that might be interested in the Cyberseat and/or LFS. On the other hand, those guys, who were there all had a lot of ufn, and enjoyed thereselves in it. One thing actually got proven:

Almost every normal driver, who had some experience with games or not, crashed in t1, except a 13 year old girl and a mid-40 year old former real racedriver without any experience in games!!! He impressed me the most, I have to say. He was also able to go with the f08 after one lap gti, and understanding it. So being gentle on the throttle etc. Except him screaming all the time: "I want a track I know, to show you what I can do!!!"

So, pics are coming later, tristan is actually a funny guy, but he is definitely compensating his lack of speed on the track and at drinking beer with his postcount here :P (sorry tristan, you know I had to :P )

Update: Pics and one movie:
http://mail.ocrana.com/member/vykos/pics/EAS2006/index.htm

Nice! That seat looks preatty awesome

Quote from Vykos69 :

Almost every normal driver, who had some experience with games or not, crashed in t1, except a 13 year old girl and a mid-40 year old former real racedriver without any experience in games!!!

Today there were two drivers battling it out to get the fastest times and I think one managed to do a 1:46. The one was in his late twenties I guess and the other like mid thirty.

What really impressed me was an 7 or 8 year old boy who managed to do a 1:58 with only very few crashes - he was far better than most of the people there and learned amazingly fast. Bummer that the seat was way too big for him, had to stuff my pullover behind his back or he wouldn't have reached the wheel/pedals

It was really fun seeing people coming back again and again, because they simply couldn't get enough of the LFS/Cyberseat combo. You could also immediately notice if someone has driven races in RL or not; they just know the concept of ideal line and careful throttle usage. Others just went for the extremes: full/no throttle, full/no brakes, lock to lock steering... you get the idea.

Today we also had a much better setup for the GTi and you really noticed how much easier it was to drive for the people. The old one had quite alot of lift-off oversteer and also the max lock and brake power was quite higher, making their poor driving even worse.


Oh well, I'm pretty tired now, helped the Cyberseat guys packing up their stuff but I'm glad they took me for a ride home They're on the way to Linz now and tristan should be on the plane as I type this. All in all it was great fun and I hope to see you guys sometime again, maybe at the GC in Leipzig

PS: the steak tasted delicious