let's not get too serious. If I was serious, I would be out there drifting a real car.
I always here people say "I can drift with my FF car." Now my question is, is it really possible? My understanding is the law of physics won't allow a FF car drift. The only time a FF car drifts is by pulling the e-brake only. I notice that there are different school of thoughts out there, some people will argue that using e-brake is not true drifting or is not a technique an advance drifter will use under normal circumstance(except understeering). Please correct me if I'm Wrong.
Drifting, the Japanese bred exhibition sport, is more than just a one slide. Americans like this guy ghost have a big misconception over what drifting is and Drifting, The sport, is. Sure a driver can get sideways and Drift in a civic, but one can not compete in the sport of drifting with any drivetrain other than FR. FF cars are simply not built for Drifting, the sport.
Whether taking a few runs down a mountian pass, or competing at local Drift event, it is up to the driver to show a mastery by getting sideways though many turns. Look at just some the tracks that have featured a drift event within the last 3 years. Thunder hill and button willow have very high speed curves. A judge, jounalist or a critical armchair driver will look at whether a participating driver successfully maintains drifts through all of the corners including those at higher speeds.
I have yet to see any FF cars pulls this off.
Most drivers, even koguchi, have said that drifting begins with a mastery the doughnut. The novice begins by mastering larger and larger radius Doughnuts. FF cars will never be able to pull these manuvers!
while FF cars can get sideways, usually extemely brief moments, FR cars will continue to dominate the sport until 50/50 MR cars become dirt cheap
now we have all watched inital d original drifting was there any FF cars there?
and from Wikipedi
Like the D1GP the most frequent nameplate in the top rankings is Nissan, but in America the Ford Mustang is making significant inroads and is growing a fanbase.
FWD cars do not qualify for entrance into D1GP events, nor are they eligible for Formula D events.
AWD vehicles, such as the Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution can drift but usually requires different suspension tuning (when compared to RWD), higher amounts of power, and, in some cases, an adjustable center differential. In D1 Grand Prix, these cars are modified to RWD specification.
One of the more widely known AWD drifts cars, is the JUN HYPER LEMON EVO V, that won 1st place in the Drift Challenge in Germany on June 1, 2001 at the Hockenheimring.
Usually, drift cars are light to moderate weight, rear-wheel-drive coupes and sedans. In Japan and worldwide, the most common drift machines are the Nissan Silvia/180SX/200SX, Toyota AE86, Mazda RX-7, Nissan A31 Cefiro, Nissan C33 Laurel, Nissan Skyline (RWD versions), Nissan Z-car, Toyota Altezza, Toyota Chaser, Toyota Mark II, Toyota MZ20 Soarer, Honda S2000, Toyota Supra (MKIV), Ford Mustang and Mazda Miata. US drift competitions feature local versions of those cars (such as the Nissan 240SX and Toyota Corolla GT-S). Drifters in other countries often use local favorites, such as the early Ford Escort (UK and Ireland), BMW 3 Series (other parts of Europe), Porsche, early Opel cars, the later Russian market Lada (Hungary) or Volvo 700 series (Scandinavia), modified Proton cars (Malaysia) and the Holden Commodore in Australia.
Drifting, the Japanese bred exhibition sport, is more than just a one slide. Americans like this guy ghost have a big misconception over what drifting is and Drifting, The sport, is. Sure a driver can get sideways and Drift in a civic, but one can not compete in the sport of drifting with any drivetrain other than FR. FF cars are simply not built for Drifting, the sport.
Whether taking a few runs down a mountian pass, or competing at local Drift event, it is up to the driver to show a mastery by getting sideways though many turns. Look at just some the tracks that have featured a drift event within the last 3 years. Thunder hill and button willow have very high speed curves. A judge, jounalist or a critical armchair driver will look at whether a participating driver successfully maintains drifts through all of the corners including those at higher speeds.
I have yet to see any FF cars pulls this off.
Most drivers, even koguchi, have said that drifting begins with a mastery the doughnut. The novice begins by mastering larger and larger radius Doughnuts. FF cars will never be able to pull these manuvers!
while FF cars can get sideways, usually extemely brief moments, FR cars will continue to dominate the sport until 50/50 MR cars become dirt cheap
now we have all watched inital d original drifting was there any FF cars there?
and from Wikipedi
Like the D1GP the most frequent nameplate in the top rankings is Nissan, but in America the Ford Mustang is making significant inroads and is growing a fanbase.
FWD cars do not qualify for entrance into D1GP events, nor are they eligible for Formula D events.
AWD vehicles, such as the Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution can drift but usually requires different suspension tuning (when compared to RWD), higher amounts of power, and, in some cases, an adjustable center differential. In D1 Grand Prix, these cars are modified to RWD specification.
One of the more widely known AWD drifts cars, is the JUN HYPER LEMON EVO V, that won 1st place in the Drift Challenge in Germany on June 1, 2001 at the Hockenheimring.
Usually, drift cars are light to moderate weight, rear-wheel-drive coupes and sedans. In Japan and worldwide, the most common drift machines are the Nissan Silvia/180SX/200SX, Toyota AE86, Mazda RX-7, Nissan A31 Cefiro, Nissan C33 Laurel, Nissan Skyline (RWD versions), Nissan Z-car, Toyota Altezza, Toyota Chaser, Toyota Mark II, Toyota MZ20 Soarer, Honda S2000, Toyota Supra (MKIV), Ford Mustang and Mazda Miata. US drift competitions feature local versions of those cars (such as the Nissan 240SX and Toyota Corolla GT-S). Drifters in other countries often use local favorites, such as the early Ford Escort (UK and Ireland), BMW 3 Series (other parts of Europe), Porsche, early Opel cars, the later Russian market Lada (Hungary) or Volvo 700 series (Scandinavia), modified Proton cars (Malaysia) and the Holden Commodore in Australia.
Please read the site carefully
The rules are adapted from the D1GP rules with some modification.
Why does the acceleration of the cars matter? This is Drifting not racing, leave your FXO's at home...
That vid just confirms that it is impossible to drift in a FWD car. Why not just weld the rears on solid and he could "drift" the entire track
How can a driver dragging wheels locked with the handbrake around a corner be placed above someone that has to balance and steer the car with the throttle while holding the car over the limit of grip.
This just shows what I mean http://youtube.com/watch?v=joFnzNqVTG8
FWD "drifting" just looks stupid and has nothing to do with drifting. When you see them side by side it really shows.
This is a serious question, not baiting because I really really WANT to understand... How is locking up the rears on a FWD car and then dragging those wheels along drifting?
we used to do this with trays from KFC go in steal 2 reverse up on then pull up handbrake and go. simply u just cant do it
mc906 - I need the times,but in Israel not USA or Japan,tnx .
I would like to argue the merits of why the LX should be in this. Furthermore I would like to register a complaint on the inclusion of the front wheel drive FXO.
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I would like!to argue! the merits! of why the LX! should be in this!! Furthermore! I would like! to register a complaint! on the inclusion of the front wheel drive FXO!!!
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to argue! the merits! of why the LX! should be in this!! Furthermore! I would like! to register a complaint! on the inclusion of the front wheel drive FXO!!!I'm against FF cars in drift events, but if I would have to compete against them I wouldn't mind. I would be very impressed hovewer if FF driver did beat me in a drift battle.
But that's not what I want to say. At the moment things are pretty boring in live for speed drift scene, there aren't any events organised right now. They seem to try to make some activity in lfs drift scene and maybe some of you "throwing shit"(I'm overreacting with this one) at them, should show some support or at least keep quiet if you are not even interesting in joining this event.
I would join too, but I am too busy at University now, good luck everyone(Ofcourse biggest good luck to Stan
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But that's not what I want to say. At the moment things are pretty boring in live for speed drift scene, there aren't any events organised right now. They seem to try to make some activity in lfs drift scene and maybe some of you "throwing shit"(I'm overreacting with this one) at them, should show some support or at least keep quiet if you are not even interesting in joining this event.
I would join too, but I am too busy at University now, good luck everyone(Ofcourse biggest good luck to Stan
)Might not have come across in the last post but I actually have a genuine interest in why some drift comps allow FWD cars. It would be great to hear why when its impossible to drift one IMHO.
I will stay quiet on this now but if someone would post an answer it would be great. The way I see it, the drift community wants acceptance so when they allow things like FWD arse "dragging" to compete people should expect the question to be raised. It does look strange and brings into question what drifting means
hth
Simply, different people different opinions.
Some will literally trust that drifting is anything that invloves controlling a car sideways in a sequence of corners(as this would include ff cars too)
Some will believe real drifting can be done only in RWD cars - which I believe.
Some might even have some other theory. Hovewer, I can tell you Woz that a discussion about "FF Drifting" would be same as "drift car" suggestion discussion. Simply, one of those never ending topics. And you would need at least power of Obi-wan to convince others to opinion you believe and vice-versa.
But in this case I just really like the fact that someone tries to organise something now, when no other event is being organised in lfs drift scene. It would suck if organisator would bediscouraged by comments.
Some will literally trust that drifting is anything that invloves controlling a car sideways in a sequence of corners(as this would include ff cars too)
Some will believe real drifting can be done only in RWD cars - which I believe.
Some might even have some other theory. Hovewer, I can tell you Woz that a discussion about "FF Drifting" would be same as "drift car" suggestion discussion. Simply, one of those never ending topics.
And you would need at least power of Obi-wan to convince others to opinion you believe and vice-versa.But in this case I just really like the fact that someone tries to organise something now, when no other event is being organised in lfs drift scene. It would suck if organisator would bediscouraged by comments.
Yep agreed.
some after all the arguement, can everyone drop the subject about FF drifting and focus on the competition...
this post isnt named " Whats Your Opinion on FF Drifting
this post isnt named " Whats Your Opinion on FF Drifting
maybe you should make one to divert the subject from this thread
If you had read my last two posts you would have realised I had just backed out of the thread
i kno, but i just want others to stop talkin about it too
Wouldnt the LX just cream everything else? Everybody drifts the LX its impossible to drive straight!
I hope I don't get beaten by a FXO.
lol.
lol.
I always here people say "I can drift with my RWD car." Now my question is, is it really possible? My understanding is the law of physics won't allow a RWD car drift. The only time a RWD car drifts is by using engine power to burn the rear tires.Please correct me if I'm Wrong.
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FWD cars do not qualify for entrance into D1GP events, nor are they eligible for Formula D events.
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It's wrong, all non AWD cars also can join D1GP (May be you can use a 4WD cars to join if it got 6 wheels(2 front & 4 rear...)...)
I think that it just written by the guys like you, but not offical D1's staff
RWD let's you control understeer, FWD forces understeer.
Power isn't a problem either, it's the surface that is a problem from physics point of view imo. Maybe I can't really see your point? Explain more please.
Power isn't a problem either, it's the surface that is a problem from physics point of view imo. Maybe I can't really see your point? Explain more please.
Power isn't a problem, but why Hand brake is?
In my opinion, drift is mean a car slip across a conner by inertia, but not just mechanism (e.g. power, hand brake) & it's under contral
the mechan is helping the car to drift but not use them to drift
so, all car car drift.If you can contral it, tank also can drift(but I think no one can make a tank slip by inertia under contral...)
AWD is not allow because it get the advantages of RWD & FWD in 1 car
Run it how you want to I guess. But if for some god forsaken reason a FF wins any round, you better have a plan ready to deal with the backlash.
Can i have a answer ?
Thanks .
Lets all hope we dont get beaten by a FXO.
Can I join now?
relax, I won't use FOX, because FF Drifter should be very skillful
relax, I won't use FOX, because FF Drifter should be very skillful
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