Yup I have to use medicine before I loose my temper when people asking questions who already been asked and answered.
You could have know that if you just had read the thread completly. 
Yup I have to use medicine before I loose my temper when people asking questions who already been asked and answered.
You could have know that if you just had read the thread completly. Because the view you use has nothing to do with simulation... Its a very subjective area, but I have heard nothing on this board that convinces me that cockpit view is essential to simulation or immersion. It aids some people in these aspects, it hinders others. This is the end of the story and let no one convince you otherwise.
The level playing field argument too, is specious, for all the reasons that Sam has mentioned and probably more. For instance, once you know a track and are experienced at racing, the advantage that a higher angle of view gives you is negligible. Really, if you can drive with a heli-cam then you deserve whatever position you gain - I certainly couldn't manage a complete lap with that view....
I've experimented, and my times are no different if I use cockpit view or not. Alone on the track that is - with others on the track my frame rate drops so dramatically that cockpit view is a serious handicap.
And as for subjectivity, I'm just one of those people who find that the cockpits emphasise the flatness of the image, I lose any immersive sense of depth. I think partly this is due to the artwork, since its not a problem I have with GPL.
In short though, I would find it much easier to have someone else's form of subjectivity imposed on my race if there was an option to run low-poly artwork that didn't reduce my race to a slide show...
I never understand this statement.
If you are trying to simulate racing a car, how can anything other than driving from a cockpit view be considered simulating?
meh , don't bother with a reply
I will never be convinced that anything other than a cockpit view is correct for a simulation.Out of curiosity, how many flight simmers out there fly from outside the cockpit?
I do.... but most people prefer to fly it from the cockpit.
I knew it would be you.
I have to admit I rarely fly a flight sim. Prefer real flying...... if it's something like BF2 or BF2142 or Wings of War then I fly in cockpit but a pure SIM I fly out of!
I'll take that wink as a cue... But won't bother to convince you. Really, I don't even want to convince you since I have no vested interest in disturbing the way you relate to the simulation.
As for flight sims, I only run an old trial version of a microsoft flight simulator (and only for the glider), and IL-2 Sturmovik, in both of which I'll swap between views (usually cockpit and tail view, but sometimes others).
I've flown gliders in real life and find that swapping views is adequate compensation for relating to a two-dimensional, screen image. In driving simulations I find it less necessary to swap between views and tend to stick to just the one. In GPL I find little problem with the cockpit view, though I find judging distance at the extreme edges of the screen to be hit and miss... sometimes literally.
Ultimately though, one could also ask how many R/C pilots are there here (cars or planes)? Those are not simulators, they are real objects, subject to real physics (not mathematical algorithms), and while I know there are a few who have mounted cameras on their 'craft, are you going to be the one to tell the others that standing on the ground is not 'correct' enough?
Of course not, for exactly the reason you stated. "they are not simulators"
They are objects in their own right. They are not trying to simulate anything.
LOL... Oh, I see, so its the ones who mount cameras on the R/C planes who are sullying the purity of the ideal!!!??
I play with a 37in (93.98 cm) tv setup with my wheel right in front of it. to me the view should be Hands(mine physicaly)->Wheel(mine physicaly)->windshield(the glass of the monitor)->the hood(if they had just that as an option)->road(game)
I drive in the custom view just wheels with normal FOV and use top mirror and buttons for look (until I get a trackIR setup going)
I think it would be great to have the ability to render just the hood. This would hide the wheels which people think is to much of an advantage while still let people feel like they are in the car... actualy in car view makes me feel like i'm in the back seat watching someone elese wheel and hands doing the driving (yes I know you can turn that part off but even then it doesn't feel like i'm in the seat like custom view does)
I drive in the custom view just wheels with normal FOV and use top mirror and buttons for look (until I get a trackIR setup going)
I think it would be great to have the ability to render just the hood. This would hide the wheels which people think is to much of an advantage while still let people feel like they are in the car... actualy in car view makes me feel like i'm in the back seat watching someone elese wheel and hands doing the driving (yes I know you can turn that part off but even then it doesn't feel like i'm in the seat like custom view does)
Actually , i totally misread and misunderstood your previous post.
I'm off to take my medication. My eyes are skimming to quickly for my brain to keep up.
Please ignore my previous post. Normal service will be resumed shortly
Hmmm... That's the way I used to set up my cameras in Racer. Made a lot of sense to me, and your 'flow chart' does too...
A wide range of viewpoints (no pun intended), and this seems to be far less fervent than the main discussion thread that appeared when the option did.
The view into any gameworld is a tricky thing to regulate. On the one hand we're all using the same software, but on the other we're all using a wide range of devices to draw that view (your GFX card) and very wide range of devices to show that view (your monitor). The options LFS has add more variation to the pot.
The realism argument can be taken to stupid extremes: If we limit the view to cockpit mode, then we should also limit it to no hands and no wheel if you're using a wheel (you don't see two sets of hands in real life, unless you're from the Fens) but force them on if you're using a keyboard or mouse. In fact, you don't control real cars with a keyboard or mouse, so lets ban those drivers. While we're at it, we'd best not use any of the cars that aren't real, and none of the tracks are real anyway, so we'd best forget it and go and have a nice cup of tea and a sit down.
As Sam's already stated, there's far more things we can look into before Forced Cockpit View. You can all rest assured that if/when the issue comes up for discusssion then it'll be approached with you, the racers, in mind. The CTRA is about good, clean, fun racing and long may it be that way, whichever way you look at it.
The view into any gameworld is a tricky thing to regulate. On the one hand we're all using the same software, but on the other we're all using a wide range of devices to draw that view (your GFX card) and very wide range of devices to show that view (your monitor). The options LFS has add more variation to the pot.
The realism argument can be taken to stupid extremes: If we limit the view to cockpit mode, then we should also limit it to no hands and no wheel if you're using a wheel (you don't see two sets of hands in real life, unless you're from the Fens) but force them on if you're using a keyboard or mouse. In fact, you don't control real cars with a keyboard or mouse, so lets ban those drivers. While we're at it, we'd best not use any of the cars that aren't real, and none of the tracks are real anyway, so we'd best forget it and go and have a nice cup of tea and a sit down.
As Sam's already stated, there's far more things we can look into before Forced Cockpit View. You can all rest assured that if/when the issue comes up for discusssion then it'll be approached with you, the racers, in mind. The CTRA is about good, clean, fun racing and long may it be that way, whichever way you look at it.
Probably the most ridiculous thing I've read in weeks. (apart from the cup of tea bit
)Tongue was firmly in cheek there. Apart from the cup of tea. I may even go as far as to say "beverage of your choice" - I don't want people thinking we're enforcing cups of tea on people when they're free to drink coffee too.
I'm all for an Enforced Tea drinkers only server
Do you have to drive with an outstreched little finger?
I prefer to drive with an outstretched middle finger
lol guys.....
I'd like a Tea only server, but only if you've got proper McVities Rich Tea dunking biscuits..... otherwise i'll take my chances elsewhere thanks
I'd like a Tea only server, but only if you've got proper McVities Rich Tea dunking biscuits..... otherwise i'll take my chances elsewhere thanks
how about a
forced fpr-win
forced fpr-win
ROFL I was thinking more of a forced HR win and second place will be FPR
Sorry Dru - InCup doesn't give the info for what else might be on the saucer, so we can't check for the biscuit type. 
I feel a hob-nobs only rule on Race-Tea is the only way to go, but that's a whole other story I'm not going into right now. :mr-t:
I feel a hob-nobs only rule on Race-Tea is the only way to go, but that's a whole other story I'm not going into right now. :mr-t:
Forced Cockpits on higher servers??
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