why would i take someone seriously in a technical discussion who showed such a degree of tech unsavvyness? (and a high degree of bs from skimming over his post real quick)
there is of course the possible exception that he is in fact 70 and has spent 40 years of his life engineering cars but i dare to claim that this is highly unlikely
To face with your statements I wrote 3 situations of, not so rare, brake failures. People in heavy panic don't bother about handbrake, while people which think about them are calm enough to use them properly. This are just 3 examples from my own experience, but I have not seen or heard of someone who pulled handbrake in panic and crashed. Have you?
People who cares about safety in car companies, are smart enough to see a supposed problem with emergency handbrakes. I think due to lots, lots of test they allow to mount even emergency brake in form of pedal as safe mechanism. That's why your statements may be wrong. You have imagined people behaviour, where specialist without big lack of knowledge, like mine or yours, worked out a good and safe emergency brake. It's placed in the right place, it has right colour, it is right shaped, it has right power etc.
It is hard to discuss with someone who fit one (just one word, nothing else!) negative opinion to all products of big company, just because seat of one wasn't compatible with your butts preferences. Wait, it was opinion about whole nation.
While real men in rally cars uses handbrake at tarmac also, I wonder if 'you sitting in race car' is intercession or consequence of you not using handbrake? Handbrake phobia? You have never claimed that you are a great driver. Instead you claim how untalented and crappy driver you are, being the 'elite' open wheeler driver in the same time, very modest manner from you. Later you wrote how genius you owned more power full car or something, but let's not look for something opposite to your states between words.
You've misread the part of 7 billions stupid Americans. It was my think-aloud how you see a world, in my opinion based on specific part of your posts here. I wrote about 7 billion (milliard) people and that part of them which walk on North America deserves a special offensive (including opposite statement of course) tone from you. It's about 430mln people.
Putting offensive bit to every preference or just situation independent of people will, which is different from yours, THIS is childish. It suits 7-8 year boy, as well as calling me stupid because I drilled your words and statements a bit.
Now get ready Shotglass, you can quote me in sig, so Tristan will let you use better avatar of his car. But nothing more, notty notty, he is not a single now.
I'm jealous of Tristan being a race driver. Piece of luck for me I can manage this common emotion in a right way. Although I have a personal success with moto rivalry, I will definitely not report it to you.
You what? You think because I don't like German cars that I don't like Germans or Germany? You what?
I'm really struggling to understand your English, so it's likely you are misunderstanding mine. Tarmac rally driving is very different - the handbrake would only be used commonly on very very tight corners. They are also slightly better drivers than the public. I own a single seater and a pay a lot to race it. Not many people do race single seaters (the elite part), but that purchase or use by no means buys me ability behind the wheel. I have never stated otherwise. As for owning powerful cars, I am priviledged enough to have owned (as a family) several high performance 'exotica' over the years. I am proud of that, and it is only mentioned in passing (and usually not in much detail). It's hardly bragging, especially as several people on this board have owned or currently own rather more exotic material.
Still struggling here - it's hard keeping a discussion civil when only one of the parties speaks English. But I'm guessing they never teach sarcasm in your schools, or it's weened out of you by years of beating?
So be it. It obviously annoys you, and that is no reason to change.
Let him? Ha. If you wish to comment, then please pay attention. Using a picture of me at Mallory was in a piss-taking "Pretend to be Tristan avatar month" or something. Several people had pictures of me, in an attempt to confuse everyone. Shotglass is probably just too lazy to find a better picture (which isn't hard). And I'm not a single, I'm an Album. With a B-side. But you won't understand that.
Not the best use of English (what year was your dictionary published?), but I'm guessing you are saying you have 'bike experience? Why would you report it - it's of no relevance to LFS (not having bikes). However, plenty of people, including myself, reported on their first racing experiences through shear excitement of comparing LFS (their beloved) to reality, and realising how close it was.
For the record I refuse to partake in this discussion/argument until you are able to discuss it in better (not expecting perfect) English. You'll think I'm slagging you off, I'll think you are a complete berk, and no one will enjoy the inevitable. You clearly don't agree, you clearly are a much better driver than me and a much better mechanic having suffered terminal brake failure three times, and I'll let you believe that handbrakes are called e-brakes by more than just the drifting community (and some German car manufacturers).
pasibrzuch, you can't beat tristan in an argument. So get over it.
Emergency brake is Notbremse in German so the E on the dash of a German car doesn't mean emergency. Besides that same light comes on if there is something wrong with your brakes.
"Moto" means this kind of vehicle to me. Atleast we call it a "moto" in Finnish.
According to german law (§41 StVZO), simplified, a car must have two seperately operable brake systems. One of which has to be capable of stopping the car with a deccelaration of at least 5m/s² when stopping from max speed. The other has to be lockable and operable solely by mechanical means. It has to be strong enough to stop the car from rolling down a steep incline and be capable of a decceleration of at least 1.5m/s². It's mentioned explicitely that this does not have to be the case when stopping from max speed.
To me, this would hint to the fact that the lockable braking device, which is what we're talking about, is argueably not meant to be an emergency brake. At least according to german law. But we don't call them emergency brakes over here anyway. Supporting brake is one of the many terms used in the german wikipedia and it doesn't sound too bad, really.
great! you just go ahead and make stupid confusing german anglicisms even worse
ill just go with handbrake and forget about the mercedes sillyness which is probably an attempt to sell more automatics to people living on a hill with very few and tight parking spots
I would say "lockable braking device" doesn't mean locking the actual braking, but locking the device it's self, as in, you pull the lever and the ratcheting mechanism locks to be unlocked by pressing the button.
I had a go the other day in my Altima. I yanked on the brake and simply could not lock the wheels up when moving at a relatively fast pace. I did however use the handbrake, emergency brake, parking brake, whatever you want to call it, to slow and stop just perfectly fine at the 3 stops I have on the way home from work. I did not touch the brake pedal and used the handbrake entirely. Never did the wheels lock up, even though I pulled harder and harder on the lever since of course, the braking power was not equal to the foot pedal.
My friends Honda Civic Coupe can easily lock the rears by jerking the handbrake. He has a lot of fun doing small "drifts" whenever he can, lol.
My car on the other hand. No way in hell you can do anything dangerous with the thing. Just today - and I haven't done this in ages - it took me a few seconds to realize why the car was acting a bit sluggish when I was leaving a parking lot... and that happened three times today - I had left the parking brake up. I'm losing my mind.
it does indeed
in fact the official german name for it is "feststellbremse" which is a brake that you can lock so that it stays engaged without your input
further evidence that its not built for emergencies comming from the very nation that invented cars
Exactly, that's one reason why I said that the x-brake is apparantly not meant to be an emergency brake. The other two facts hinting towards that would be the decceleration of only 1.5 m/s² and that it doesn't have to reach even that measly decceleration from maximum speed.
Are there really people around thinking that Henry Ford invented cars? Please tell me that is not the case... On the other hand, it's well possibe. When I was in the US in 1990, I was asked if we had refridgerators or washing machines over here and if there was still war in Germany.
to be fair its not just the us that has a skewed image of what europe is like
back when i was in school one girl spent a few months in australia
it was during one of the many ex jugoslavian wars (i belive it was the kosovo one but im not sure) and her "exchange mom" was worried about sending her back into a war zone
then again were talking about the offspring of fellons and girls force into prostitution here... both of which were british which didnt help either
Sorry for this word. I was going to write motorisation. Cars, exactly. As for bike expierence, I had a Honda scooter when I was 11yo. Was some fun, but 40km/h couldn't make from me a Valentino Rossi
No, I think that 'you know that Germans can't do comfortable sits'.
Sorry to hear. You must know more 'strange' drivers than me. Could you describe some of those accidents?
ps. it is not easy to make simple sentences in some topics, but I'll try.
I also would like to know how it is that he knows so many people who have crashed when the pulled the handbrake too hard. The only reason for this that I can think of is if he is referring to people who were trying to drift, slide, or otherwise have "fun" with their cars, and went over the limit - in which case that does not at all apply to this argument.
And if they were all legitimate "emergency" uses of the handbrake, I have to wonder WHAT THE HELL GOES ON WITH THE CARS WHERE YOU LIVE?!?!?!
As is your sense of humour. Do you know if you tense some muscles in your face you can actually form what we call a smile?
I don't think my misunderstanding was limited to one work. It was most of the paragraph that confused me
Audi can't. Mercedes can't. BMW almost can. Porsche can't (they fit seats made in other countries ). VW can't (they are soft, but under supporting). As far as evidence goes, it's pretty damning.
They are in the national and international news quite a lot. Evidence of excessive handbrake application being a factor (though rarely the cause, which remains a blow out or system failure) in accidents.
actually the most comfortable and perfectly side supporting seat ive been in so far was in a golf
other than that youre right but its not limited to german car makers... whoever thought that a seat which had a hump where your lower back rests was a good ideas should be disemboweled
Absolutely correct. It's just that some, if not most, British, Japanese, American and Italian cars are quite bearable, whereas that is an exception in German cars.
I think it must stem from either a cultural difference or (unlikely) an anatomical difference, as quite a lot of non-car seats in Germany are pretty... tough.
My brother's Mercedes has those air adjusting seats, where there are something like 41 million possible combinations of seating positon and firmness, one of which will suit every person. I think I've tried most of them () and I still start to lose feeling in my legs after 5km!!!!!! Yet I can drive a Transit or an MX-5 or an F3 car or an Exige all day long without the remotest discomfort. Okay, that's a lie - the Exige gives you white finger... all over!
I can just about get across the country in the Audi, but it's not pleasant, and fuel stops are a good thing.
The comfiest car I can remember (and this won't do my reputation any good, not that it's in good standing anyway ) was a 1995 Mondeo estate (but I guess the saloon too), with the heated leather seats option - probably standard now. You could drive around the world and only realise you were sitting when someone pointed it out to you! The Focus hasn't replicated it, and I've not had the fortune to try a modern Mondeo for comfort.
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). VW can't (they are soft, but under supporting). As far as evidence goes, it's pretty damning.
) was a 1995 Mondeo estate (but I guess the saloon too), with the heated leather seats option - probably standard now. You could drive around the world and only realise you were sitting when someone pointed it out to you! The Focus hasn't replicated it, and I've not had the fortune to try a modern Mondeo for comfort.