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#52 - SamH
Quote from zeugnimod :But this doesn't apply to Bump & Jump, does it?

Good point! No, really we're far more relaxed about that stuff on Bump and Jump. We're really very much only looking to filter out the malicious folks on there. Most Bump and Jump activity is pretty slow-paced in the literal sense, you can see round corners and over barriers, and so there generally isn't much risk of other drivers being caught out or surprised by stationary objects on those courses
But isn't "recklessness" still non-wanted behaviour (Or something. Drinked too many beers today, can't write clearly)?

The point I reported this time was that he re-joined the track without watching for incoming traffic.

I am probably the most un-socialized person on CTRA-servers ever. "Oh, you hit me. omg plz lol I report you!!11" (Okay, I will watch the replay multiple times with different angles, and I take some time to calm done so I won't make rash decisions. I wouldn't want that someone reports me because I made a humane error / miss-calculation).
Once again a suggestion have popped into my head today when racing. Oh, it was so fantastic. IIRC I was going to finish 3rd on ~20 car race on BnJ and then those who got totalled/spectated/got bored decided to "hey, lets ruin this race, lets shift+x". I loved the idea! Oh, wait...

Is it possible some way to prevent voting before the race is finished?
#55 - SamH
On-track majority rule, I'm afraid. There's no way to prevent it if the majority of racers want to change the track.
it can be done, I tried it before ore the change to CTRA, IS_VTC I think. It didn't work too well, but with some work I'm sure a workable system could be done. You can't just cancel all voting, in some circumstances its necessary - in practice.

Perhaps by only allowing the race leader to start a vote when a race is in progress?
#57 - SamH
It's a problem of determining when the opinion of a minority should outweigh the feeling of the majority that makes this difficult. Restarting a race, in the case of T1 hell, I'd accept the top 3 voting as authoritative and allow the restart early, but in the case of a vote to end it's a much more complex process to determine "fairness" when accepting or denying a "minority" vote. Anyone in 4th but on a crackin' lap, for example, could be denied their lap record.. a lame example, but valid. Majority rule is the *most* fair of all possibilities, IMO, on vote to end.

Perhaps only allowing votes to end after the "race restarting" timer is triggered would be the fairest. It's a small window, but should reduce the risk of misfortune in the vote.
What if those who are one or more lap behind can't vote? Those who has chances to win points will try to finish the race.

I don't understand how this voting system works in LFS. I can't disable it, but I can set it so nobody can vote in the beginning or in the end.

Oh, and if all racers disconnects/spectates (At least in BnJ), there is no way to restart it. Only way is to shift+j and then quickly shift+x, but it doesn't work always.

PS. Oh, and I had my fist victory in Race 1. Tentimes, that was an exciting race. But the main point was that I beated silver licensed racer.
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PS. Oh, and I had my fist victory in Race 1. Tentimes, that was an exciting race. But the main point was that I beated silver licensed racer.

That is the proof you are getting in pace, and if you want to continue on this path you need opposition and higher licensed racers to battle with on race 1
Quote from Mille Sabords :That is the proof you are getting in pace, and if you want to continue on this path you need opposition and higher licensed racers to battle with on race 1

It had more to do with luck than skill.
My PB's:
XFG @ FB1 0:52.610
XFG @ FB3 1:47.740

As you can see, they are far from the top-times. I manage to win/get to podiums only because I can drive static lap-times without spinning/spunning/crashing. If nobody in front of me makes errors/miss-calculations, I have little chance of winning.
Quote from Gekkibi :What if those who are one or more lap behind can't vote? Those who has chances to win points will try to finish the race.

I 100% agree I had an absolute awful time on B&J last night due to 1 certain mid race joiner..
If you are not allowed to intervene racing if you mid-join, why allow it? Obviously you can't have any points, only thing you can do is to hit somebody and deny the points from him.

It is common that people only messes around after re-joining from the pits. Should I report them all? That would mean about 5-10 reports every race...
#63 - SamH
Quote from Gekkibi :If you are not allowed to intervene racing if you mid-join, why allow it?

We run a system that we call concurrent qualifying. As you drive on the track, whether a part of the race or not, your fastest lap is held as your qualifying position. We allow mid-race joiners to qualify for the next race.

The question is not whether or not we should allow mid-race joiners, but whether or not we should allow people to interfere with an ongoing race. These are two separate issues. Yes, mid-race joining is allowed; no, interfering with a race is not. These two acts are not synonymous. The act of joining mid-race does not assume that that person will then interfere with the ongoing race. Rule 6.1 specifically forbids it.
Yay, I've just won my first ever CTRA race! I won one before, but that was when everyone left the server mid-race It was bump and jump, which I'm trying to get into ATM. But my internet is a bit dodgy, so I was lucky to keep a connection for the entire race...but I did, lag free too Hopefully I'll be able to participate a lot more when we switch ISP...

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@SamH:

I forgot to mention that I was talking about BnJ, and isn't there the starting order defined by license points?
No B&J's starting order is determined by lap time as well. AFAIK, on all the CTRA servers your best lap time since joining the server is the one that determines your grid placement.
Quote from JohnnyFX :No B&J's starting order is determined by lap time as well. AFAIK, on all the CTRA servers your best lap time since joining the server is the one that determines your grid placement.

Actually, I doubt it is like that. I start in front of Karolis[LT], even he does the fastest laps always. I have never beaten his laptimes. Karolis doesn't have so many BnJ points I do, however.
Quote from JohnnyFX :No B&J's starting order is determined by lap time as well. AFAIK, on all the CTRA servers your best lap time since joining the server is the one that determines your grid placement.

That's not true.

The grid order is based on the overall points ranking in Bump and Jump.
Quote from zeugnimod :That's not true.

The grid order is based on the overall points ranking in Bump and Jump.

Quote from zeugnimod :The grid order is based on the overall points ranking in Bump and Jump.

Sooo that's why I start from the first row
I guess that Töki (And several others) agrees with me that we should have another BnJ server. When the server gets more populated (It was full several hours today), the races turns into a carnage. It is either due to the layout (Champagne is very narrow and the two-way lane is confusing) or due to newcomers/those who don't care about the racing.

Just reminding how bad it is in the BnJ now. Like someone said it (I guess it was Töki), "This is disgrace to LFS".

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