There's a big difference between making a mistake in a race and ramming someone under a Safety Car. One is a racing incident, the other is just stupid.
Erm... I guess this calls for a reality check from his point of view.
If he has a driving license - meaning to drive on the streets -, he should know that the one from behind is almost always (rare cases apart) the one to blame.
Agreed. I already had too much with Ha-my-lol's apparent invulnerability last year.
Hello, wake up!
He's both saying different things to different channels/countries AND the media is making some stuff up. I remember a particular moment last season when he said to one country/channel 'I have learnt nothing from Alonso' and on another one he said 'I have learnt a lot from Alonso', directly from his lips.
Besides, why would Kimi get penalized? Okai, he was side by side to Kubica, but AFAIK that's not an illegal move. It would be different if he took some team's lollypop and tried to cover the red light with it, but truth is he did nothing wrong (and even if he did, there was no way he could have avoided the crash).
Does anyone have a link to a video of the Lewis - Kimi pitlane crash? And Massas pass(es)?
I missed out on the race and would really like to see them, youtube took them down due to F1 management.
I missed out on the race and would really like to see them, youtube took them down due to F1 management.
Who in Ferrari's Incompetant Afficionados thought of that one - and more importantly, can I have a pint of what they just had?
No penalty for Alonso's blatant wreck on Heidfeld in Monaco, but penalising a racing incident.
No penalty for Alonso's blatant wreck on Heidfeld in Monaco, but penalising a racing incident.
Why did I have to watch football(soccer)
This is the first penalty I've really paid attention to since the FIA EGM, and I hadn't realised until just now how my view of the FIA has been affected. It seems I'm having difficulty viewing any judgement calls made by the FIA with anything but incredulity.
After last year's decision to pass over on fining Renault for spying most particularly after the mammoth fine given to McLaren, things were in a bad way. Since Max got the vote of confidence at the EGM, for me at least, F1 credibility is terminal.
'Tis what it is.
After last year's decision to pass over on fining Renault for spying most particularly after the mammoth fine given to McLaren, things were in a bad way. Since Max got the vote of confidence at the EGM, for me at least, F1 credibility is terminal.
'Tis what it is.Hmm... Is this really Heidfeld? Nice moves. 
which bit of ignoring a red light that you can see just fine during your entire pit stop thanks to standing at the end of the pitlane and not seeing 2 cars that are standing still is a racing incident?
Same thing happened to everyone that's not a Hamilton fan last year. I mean, amongst other things, he did overtake a SC and not get penalized?
Looks like FIA likes to take sides lately.
However, I think this very penalty is right. Crashing against two stopped cars on the pit lane while the red light is on is a HUGE mistake, and makes F1 look even less 'elite' to north american people than it had already done past years (remember the USA GP when only six cars raced?).
From where I was sat, Hamilton tanked down the pitlane, didn't see the light, forgot where the brake pedal was (for the first time all weekend), and punted his championship rival out of the race. If he saw the light - that was a stupid, dangerous and just retarded move. If he didn't, well, I'm not sure how he couldn't, have any of you actually LOOKED at one of those lights (as in, in person?) - they're blindingly bright.
Besides, if we're going to be picky, red is used for that light not only because of the cultural connotations of red meaning 'stop', but also because red colours are most easily viewable in the periphery of the human eye (physics/biology will tell you that). There's really no excuse.
And don't play the "he's young, he's new" card, ever... Kubica is also only in his second season... he stopped.
And from where I was sat, watching ITV, Hamilton said it "wasn't quite a racing incident", admitted he didn't see the light, but made no apology, no admission of error (as opposed to admission of a severe case of selective blindness), or anything that was even remotely remorseful.
Let's not forget that he said "I'm not sure what happend, it all happened so fast!". You heard it here first, folks... 50mph is too fast for Lewis Hamilton's brain.
(And he can't avoid stationary objects...)
Oh, wait, I forgot Hamilton is faultless, supreme, and just as good as Ayrton Senna ever was... :doh:
Besides, if we're going to be picky, red is used for that light not only because of the cultural connotations of red meaning 'stop', but also because red colours are most easily viewable in the periphery of the human eye (physics/biology will tell you that). There's really no excuse.
And don't play the "he's young, he's new" card, ever... Kubica is also only in his second season... he stopped.
And from where I was sat, watching ITV, Hamilton said it "wasn't quite a racing incident", admitted he didn't see the light, but made no apology, no admission of error (as opposed to admission of a severe case of selective blindness), or anything that was even remotely remorseful.
Let's not forget that he said "I'm not sure what happend, it all happened so fast!". You heard it here first, folks... 50mph is too fast for Lewis Hamilton's brain.
(And he can't avoid stationary objects...)Oh, wait, I forgot Hamilton is faultless, supreme, and just as good as Ayrton Senna ever was... :doh:
I agree with the penalty. I know there has been ridiculous incidents before, but i think the FIA is trying to make an example out of Lewis by making sure the drives look at the lights from now on as it can cause problems.
Hamilton can be fast and that stuff, but he's making noob mistakes. Mistakes that many new to Formula1 did and do, but that movemente was 
Alonso and Heidfelds collision is more like a racing incident than ramming up the rear end of a car that is abiding by the rules...
The red light is on for a reason so you must stop, simple as that. The fact that Hamilton was in such a panic after losing 2 places in his pit stop he was more desperate to attack the two of them out of the pits he was paying no attention to the lights. No blame goes to his team, they aren't exactly hard to see if both Kubica and Kimi can see while battling position down the pit lane...
A racing incident in my view is where you can't really place 100% blame on the one driver, so would you like to blame Kimi for stopping
I had to laugh when Louise talked to him and Lewis said, "I don't know what happened..."
More and more it's looking like Hamilton hasn't got the head to be a champion.
Well they DQ'd Montoya a few years back for running it.
Wouldn't mind betting that he was told not to publicly admit to fouling up in case it influenced the penalty.
Actually, I thought he looked uncomfortable giving that interview. As if he was trying to be someone he's not.
Yep, i was going to add that example in there. Montoya had a similar problem, but more to do with his team. In the end, he was driving and he made the mistake IN THE CAR, not the team.
Just like Lewis. He has to cop it on the chin and admit it, or he never will.
From where I sat, there was definitely smoke from the tyres as he tried to stop, and he was turning hard left to try and go around.
Newsflash, this is only his 2nd F1 season. He IS a noob. Other, much more seasoned F1 drivers make plenty of mistakes.
He screwed up and got penalised. Good. It doesn't make him a complete loser just over that, no matter how much you want it to. And if it does, then every single driver on the grid is a complete loser, because they've all made stupid mistakes. I think some people need to get a bit of a grip on proportions. None of us know the guy, and anyone who declares either love or hate on the representation they get from the TV and interviews is pretty damn superficial.
I like the guy for what he represents, not least because a black guy in F1 would make Max's daddy turn in his grave. Whether he's a nice guy or a jerk in real life is an impression that can only truly be formed when you actually KNOW someone.
You're right, the interviews he gets and that stuff of the media makes him lool like a "im the best driver".. and i think that's what pisses people.
IMO he's good but i don't like it because of his Dad, i don't know, i think that his Dad thinks instead of him, i feel like that doesnt matter if im right or wrong.
im guessing youre more or less alone there
many people cant stand him for being the ever smiling whitewashed mediafriendly new kind of f1 driver that he is... i much prefer drivers who arent afraid to speak their mind and announce on tv that theyll knock 3 colours of shit out of another driver
those are at the very least characters... they do have an edge you can hate or love them for... lewis is just bland
Rosberg (all-but) stopped. And he did it in a seemingly shorter distance than Hamilton. Both were on the limiter beforehand.
It's also Kubica's second season... he stopped. I fail to see your point. It's not like it's his second season in racing, ever. Or the second year of his life. I wasn't aware red-lights were a purely F1 concept.
LOL yeah right, 2 options
go right : theres a wall and 2 person standing there
go left : chance of not hitting anyone and get the car between the wall and raikonnen.
But still what a stupid move it was, lol keep youre eyes on the road for god sake lol
OK maybe not 100% team fault. But I think Canada is the only track on the calendar where the pitlane exit light is red during the race, due to the short time difference between the pitlane and the track. It's not something a driver would be looking out for during the race, which should be clear by the sheer amount of drivers that have missed the light in Canada (Montoya 2006, Fisichella/Massa 2007, Hamilton/Rosberg 2008).
I can only assume that McLaren and Williams didn't make this special situation clear to their drivers in any of the pre race briefings and/or forgot to remind them via radio. That's why they get the main part of the blame.
I can only put that down to grim determination and bloody-mindedness.
I spent a good 10 minutes looking for your point... it appears you failed to make one...
keep in mind though that the mclaren pit is at the very end of the lane so he must have seen (/been able to see) the blinking light while he was stopped and he had a very good look at both kimi and robert stopping when he drove off
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