I'm collecting survey responses for a paper I'm writing in my sociology course. The class is just a GEC so the survey's not too long, and thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

1. What is your gender?
Female
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
Democrat
Republican
Independent
Green
Other (please specify)

4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
No religious affiliation
Protestant
Catholic
Jewish
Muslim
Buddhist
Other, please specify

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Not at all Religious Extremely Religious

6. What is your level of education?
Grade School
High School
Some College
College Degree
Graduate Degree
Other, please specify

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
Yes
No

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Yes
No

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes
No

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
Yes
No

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes
No

10. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.

Strongly Disagree Disagree Neutral Agree Strongly Agree

11. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.

Strongly Disagree Disagree Neutral Agree Strongly Agree

12. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.

Strongly Disagree Disagree Neutral Agree Strongly Agree

13. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?

14. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?

Concerning the question about political affiliation... Is this a US-only-survey?

Vain

Nah, anyone can answer. Technically I could get by with just making up the responses and not get caught, so it's not that serious.

The political affiliations are US-specific though. Suggested title for the survey "Pandora's Box".

The one problem I can see with this is that you have not allowed for different versions of the concept of intelligent design. Creationists come in many flavours, just like Christianity does.

You should include a definition or summary of the concept to be clear where you are coming from.

The paper is specifically on the topic of teaching intelligent design and/or evolution in schools. I'm just looking for correlations between being in favor/against the teaching of either and different groups of people. What I'm referring to in the question "Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science" is whether or not the person believes that intelligent design is an attempt by christianity to get creationism back in public schools. I've heard this viewpoint a few times and I figured that was the most objective way to
ask that question. Technically, yes, creationism covers many religions/beliefs, but what I'm specifically referring to is the christian idea of creation. It is a good point though, but I can't change it now because I already have some answers to the survey.

Darwin was pro-creationism. This 'war' between intelligent design and evolutionary theory is something that has been brought about by misinformation.
But, I believe in the evolutionary theory more than creationism personally. I don't believe in God.

I think schools should teach the facts behind both theories and allow the students to make up their own mind and beliefs. the job of any education establishment is not to tell you what is right or wrong but to give you the information so you can make your own choices. As God has never and probably will never be proven to exist (or rather, his lack of existance cannot be disproven), and there are scientific studies to correlate evolution and genetic progression, then I am inclined strongly towards the latter.

thats a whole can'o worms if you ask me, religion trying to play of science and vice versa is a recipe for disaster.

You could probably simplfy it by saying do you believe in god and that god created the universe, or do you believe it was all down to scientific coincidence, I believe the latter, but I would hope that both forms were taught in equal measure at school so people can make up there own mind, rather than being forcefeed one or the other.

Dan,

1. Is it wise to begin talking about such a contrary topic here? You do know that this will cause a lot of (heated) arguments, no?
2. For everyone who wants to know a more sarcastic approach to this question should check wikipedia for the flying spaghettimonster (short: FSM).
But be aware, if you can't laugh about yourself this is propably not a good idea.

Vain

Eh, I had a choice of 3 topics and this was the only one that was interesting to me. Other 2 choices were connections between video game violence and real life violence (the dead horse that has been beaten to a bloody pulp) and opinions on a potential ban on smoking in public places in our state.

I see, no-one has filled in one

1. What is your gender?
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?
15

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
Democrat


4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
Protestant

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
6

6. What is your level of education?
The Dutch have different types, i don't know what all these are

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
Yes

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Yes, but i don't believe in the Big Bang

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
No

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
No

12. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.

Disagree

13. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.

Disagree

14. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.

Agree

15. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
Hmmm, it's ofcourse a supernatural thing... I dunno.

16. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
I think it's possible, but i don't believe that man's origin was a monkey.

I'm out of here like s**t through a goose! Gonna join the cosmologists at the bar for a few quiet sherbets before beginning my daily Zen session.

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I see, no-one has filled in one

Thank you I'm not trying to stir up a debate, I'm just trying to get some of these filled out so I can write my paper.

1. What is your gender?
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?
20

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
ermmm None! cant stand politics!!!!


4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
Christian unfortunately

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
3

6. What is your level of education?
At the moment at university doing a degree

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
unsure...

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Hards to say, there are flaws and unexplained gaps in evolution.. guess thats a NO then

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
Nope... need to teach both so people can make up their own mind...

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
same as above

12. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.
ermm disagree

13. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.

Agree...

14. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.

Disagree

15. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
ermm... thinking!! Doubtfull... some supernatural force intervened.. maybe Aliensillepall


16. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
It is possible that its correct........ though so many things would have just had to be right at the time for evolution to begin. The man from monkey theory to me is a non believer.... i say Aliens

mad :em31:

Not really relevent to your survey as such, and it opens up more questions than it solves, but I found it to be a very interesting look at the beginings of life > http://www.hawking.org.uk/text/public/life.html

Dan,

Just fill out a survey!!!!!

Maybe we can start a new thread on evolution.. would certainly provide an interesting read.... also nice to know other peoples views.. just an idea..

just dont clog up this thread with stuff.. he just wanted a simple survey filled out that was alll.!!!

mad

Chill out man, jeesss

Ok then, to appease him above.

1) Male

2) 32

3) None

4) None

5) 1

6) Some College

7) No

8) Yes

9) Yes

10) No

11) No

10 (again) no comment

11 (again) Disagree

12) Disagree

13) & 14) No comment

1) Male
2) 26
3) greenish
4) Other: me, myself and I (I'm the god of my life, although mom and dad are my creators)
5) 10 (has to be, 100% behind myself)
6) MSc
7) No.
8) Well, not fully, since every theory is just an approximation. But more yes than no.
9) No.
10) No.
11) Yes.
12) Strongly agree
13) Disagree
14) Disagree
15) There's no such thing as intelligence or order. Only chaos and stupidity.
16) Makes sense. Works for me.

1. What is your gender?
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?
20

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
Dunno

4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
I meditate & prescribe to a few buddhist beliefs, but I'm not a buddhist.
So none.

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
1

6. What is your level of education?
High School

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
No

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Yes, as long as it is presented without bias.

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes, as long as it is presented without bias.

In response to the above two questions, I'd like to add that although I may not agree with ID as a science, I also believe that people should make their own minds up.

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
No

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
No

10. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.
Strongly Agree

11. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.
Disagree

12. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.
Not sure what to make of that one. I don't agree with the initial statement, but I do believe that they can be taught together... but as alternatives.

13. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
Flawed. "Signs of intelligence" can easily be misinterpretted, and at the end of it all, without hard physical proof it still requires faith, and faith is at the heart of religion. Behind true science is cold hard fact. At best, I'd call ID a theoretical science, but from what I'm aware, unlike most theoretical sciences, it doesn't have any research data or theorem other than "this looks like intelligence had a hand in it".

14. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
Less flawed than ID, but It does leave a few questions unanswered and possibilities open.

1. What is your gender?
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?
20

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
None

4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
None ("officially" christian)

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
1.

I started questioning all the fairy tales of religion pretty early and came to the conclusion that I can accept not knowing what was "before". I rather say I don't know than saying "oh the mighty entity X did it". I don't say that there is no "god", but if there is one I'm pretty sure it's completely differnt to what current popular religions portray.
It's surely a good thing when people live on the ethics of religion, but I don't treat anything of what, for example, the bible says as true, atleast not as more true than what any other religion says. If people really need religion to define their morals and to be happy then all power to them, but I simply don't.

6. What is your level of education?
Graduate Degree (I think, don't exactly know what "Matura" it means in English)

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
No

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Basically, yes

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
No. Atleast ID not in biology/scientific classes. Is appropriate for religious education, though.

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
No

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes (but refer to point #9)

10. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.
Agree, just that there actually isn't much science behind it.

11. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.
Disagree

12. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.
Disagree

13. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
As far as I know, there is no scientific basis on intelligent design. If you ignore the scientific method then how can there be any scientific basis?

14. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
It may not explain everything, but atleast it tries to collect evidence and factual data. Contrary to ID which just pulls things out of its a**.

1. What is your gender?
Male.

2. What is your age (in years)?
22.

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
Left-ish

4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
None.

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
1.

6. What is your level of education?
Graduate degree.

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
No.

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Yes.

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes, choice of religious education should be available to anyone (ID).

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
No.

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
No.

10. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.
Agree.

11. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.
Disagree.

12. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.
Strongly Disagree.

13. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
There isn't any.

14. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
Solid scientific value.

ill stick to my religion teachers point of view that both cover very different areas and dont disagree but complement one another

1. What is your gender?
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?
28

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
politics... illepall (none)

4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
No religious affiliation

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
1

6. What is your level of education?
some college

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
No

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Yes

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes, i feel if you teach one, you should teach them all!

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
No

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
No

10. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.
agree

11. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.
disagree

12. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.
Disagree

13. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
i dont really have a opinion!

14. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
makes sense to me

1. What is your gender?
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?
20

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
Monster Raving Looney Party

4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
Atheist

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
-1

6. What is your level of education?
I'm done 2 of 3 years of a degree at University, which in no way implies I am educated, such is the system.

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
Nope

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Yep

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
No

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
No

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
Yes

10. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.
Disagree

11. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.
Disagree

12. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.
Strongly Disagree

13. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
Show me some believable evidence.

14. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
It makes sense. I've never really thought about it.

1. What is your gender?
Male

2. What is your age (in years)?
34

3. What if any is your political affiliation?
[Other please specify :- Labour party]

4. What, if any, is your religious affiliation?
Anglican Christian

5. On a scale of 1 to 10, how religious do you think you are?
4

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6. What is your level of education?
Graduate Degree

7. Do you believe the theory of intelligent design correct?
No

8. Do you believe Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection correct?
Yes, even though there are evidently things we have yet to discover.

9. Should both intelligent design and evolution should be taught in schools?
From a scientific point of view no. From a "faith" point of view, possibly, it depends on the religious perspective of the school in question.

10. Do you think that only intelligent design should be taught in schools?
No

11. Do you think that only evolution should be taught in schools?
Hmmm thought I'd answered that

10. Intelligent Design is creationism presented as science.
Not sure I agree that ID is much of anything presented as much of anything else.

11. Evolution is flawed, and cannot be used to explain the varied life forms on our planet.
No, our knowledge of evolution is much more likely to be incomplete than flawed.

12. Evolution only explains what happened after intelligent design took place, and as such the two can be taught together.
Disagree

13. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of intelligent design?
It's difficult to be scientific about anything that happened so long ago, particularly when people's belief structures may be at stake. In short I don't have a high opinion of the "theory" full stop.

14. What is your opinion on the scientific basis of evolution?
Our knowledge of evolution is incomplete, we are discovering new fossils all the time, with the passage of much time it is possible we may come to know more, but I doubt we will ever know it all. However since it presents us with real tangible hold it in your hand evidence, whether or not our notions about timelines are correct it is more credible than any of the alternatives.

I guess this is much more of a philosophical question that a science question, so here's my couple of quid's worth, (although, i'm in the middle of quitting smoking so what follows might make no sense at all, finding it kinda hard to concentrate yunno ! )

The big bang theory state's, (in laymans terms) at one time, life, the universe and everything in it, was once compressed into something approximately the size of a grapefruit ! , then, somehow, exploded ?, and, several million, billion, trillion years later, you have the view from your window !, (yeah, right )

And, from this explosion, life as we know it, was generated (created) ermmm, , surely, if whatever form this life had, was involved in a huge explosion, would it not it be killed ??, so, how could life as we know it, stem from something that was certainly dead ??billepall

Evolution state's that natural selection is used to determine' "what wins, and what loose's", but, if a selection has to be made, does'nt that imply some form of intelligence ?
You may say, life is tough and unforgiving, survival of the fittest, the strongest survive, the weak, die out !, so, if we really did evolve from monkeys, then, why hav'nt monkeys become extinct ??

You may say, yeah but, our DNA is 98% (or 99%) identical to monkeys !!
yes it is, but its also 96% identical to a horse, and, 92% identical to a banana !!!, (fruit is murder ?!?)

Evolution state's that everything evolves to prolong and improve life, (although spiders havnt evolved one iota since they were around at the time of dinosaurs) yet, this is contrary to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which basically state's that "the resultant energy change will always produce something that is less than the original state" (i.e, something cannot produce something else that is greater than itself) so therefore, if an entity were to evolve, it would evolve into something less "evolved" (religion states that God is outside of nature and therefore, not subject to laws of nature, (or physics) some may say convienient ?)

But, surely, it means that the laws of science, contravene the "laws of evolution" ??? i dunno, ( i wanna cigarette ) grrrrrr

There is so much information in the human genome, that if you were to download it all into a modern high powered computer, you'd need so many of them that you'd be able to build a stack that stretch's from the earth to the moon !
And, i guess you'd need that many computers to work out the probability, of life as we know it starting from a few simple amino acids,(primordial soup), or snot, as i like to call it.

I'd like to continue, but, i cant explain, how much i wanna ciggy right now, maybe i'll finish this later ?

But i will say this:-

As far as intelligent design is concerned, i.e God creating everything as we know it, basically, its a matter of faith, you either believe it or you dont.

I am aware of the situation over in the US at that school in wherever it is ?.
and i must say, as a bible believing christian myself, i wasnt too impressed with their behaviour.
At no point in the bible does it say christians must enforce their opinions or beliefs on other people, coz thats just man trying to control man, and one of the main message's of the bible is that we all have free will, and, that we should question........everything !!!

So, a believers, responsibility is simply to give testamony of their personal relationship with God, and let the individual make up there own mind.

So, to sum up, yes, both intellectual design and evolution should be taught in schools, but under the proviso that they are both theory, and its merely a matter of faith as to which you believe.

I'm off for a ciggy now, sorry M'a !, can't help it !!!