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Simulation diferences
Hi all;

This thread is only for to end a discussion between my friend and me;

I say that a kart is totally different than by example a GTR (or MRT5)
My arguments are that karts aren't suspension less than most people think, karts chasis are flexible and that flexibility is eliminated or not by adding or removing bars. The flexibility is very important setup in karts. And how simulate something like the flexibility of a chasis?
Also you can change the rigidity of the rear axes....Yes, axes are more or less hard to better adapting of the wheel on the tarmac.

Second argument; the way that a kart have more grip in the corners. When you have a narrower rear or front axes, the kart have more grip because the tendence of the kart to overturn. When the kart is "on two wheels" the grip is masive! But if the tarmac have much grip, you possibly have to alarge the axes for not to go doing jumps all the time.

Then the way to adapt a kart in LFS isn't than easy like "you have to remove suspensions and run", is it?
Yes, that's probably why there aren't any karts in LFS yet.
I believe Scawen was talking to Tristan and Will about the chasis flex at the karting meet last year, so they are aware that theres a problem with the current model

But yes, you're right; removing the suspension and running isnt a correct model.
BTW, you can see a well known by all of us kart driver in action:



You can imagine how far we are from real weather simulation
Scawen has said hw won't do karts until he can do them properly - i.e. chassis flex (and perhaps axle flex, but I don't think this is quite as important. More the merrier though ).
Quote from TRM.13 :BTW, you can see a well known by all of us kart driver in action

Eh, and who would that be ?! I don't think i know him...

About the karts in LFS, that would be a nice thing indeed. I just think
that as long as the tires will have this low-speed grip issue, it will
never feel quite the same. Of course, not feeling the g forces is also
a major factor, but hey, we can always attach weights to our neck and
lean our heads through corners.
I've been karting a few times. one of my subcontracters sponsered a driver and he invited us all too a meet to do some racing. I thought I was fast and we raced over 30 odd laps. I was leading for the best part of it. The guy that was being sponsered started 10 or so laps after us. He over took me on lap 15. He was then lapping me even before I could complete a lap.

I mean, he obviously had his race kart completely set up for him whilst we where racing ex race and test karts, but still. A kart driven propaly is a very fast thing indeed.
Quote from Fonnybone :Eh, and who would that be ?! I don't think i know him...

About the karts in LFS, that would be a nice thing indeed. I just think
that as long as the tires will have this low-speed grip issue, it will
never feel quite the same. Of course, not feeling the g forces is also
a major factor, but hey, we can always attach weights to our neck and
lean our heads through corners.

I think that this driver is Arrechee is correct TRM?

More photos in google images xDD
http://images.google.es/images ... d=100&sa=N&tab=wi
I have raced Pro Karts (not Pro as in professional, pro is the class) for around 15 years now, i've done Formula TKM and a bit of Formula C in that time too - and the only flexible axle i've seen was the result of an accident...

Chassis flex though is hugely important, I went with a team to the karting LeMans 24 hour race back in 99 and afterwards the captain threw the chassis away and went back to the factory and said, "make me a new chassis, one that bends. This one is stiff as **** and totally useless". Amazingly the factory did (Swift Kart), and after old boy Swifty died the captain, David Toynton, bought the factory to keep himself equipped with it.

The Swift was the first Pro Kart to feature a raised mounting of the front wheels which doubles both as a flex-absorber and as castor adjustment for changing the wheelbase.

Fore reference these are the changeable setup options on my current Pro Kart, in rough order I set them.
Castor
Gear Ratio
Tyre pressures
Front Wheel Spacers
Axle Width Rear
Tighten/loosen the bumpers (has the effect of loosening the chassis)
Front torsion bar
Rear torsion bar

Toe-In*

*I preffer to stick too 0degree toe, but it is changeable.

Suprisingly to most people though Pro Karts do have onboard computers, pit lane telemetry and onboard pit-car radio. Although radio's are not often seen in sprint formula's the computers are still commonplace, here's the most popular in the UK: www.alfano.com. All outdoor UK tracks have at least 1 magnetic strip now.

EDIT: Placement of lead ballast to make the minimum weight isn't really a setup option ... but it is critical.
Quote from Becky Rose :I have raced Pro Karts (not Pro as in professional, pro is the class) for around 15 years now, i've done Formula TKM and a bit of Formula C in that time too - and the only flexible axle i've seen was the result of an accident...


Possibly you are right, but there are a lot of types of hardness. Hardest for bad grip tarmac, softest for masive grip tarmac.


Quote from jandro_v10 :I think that this driver is Arrechee is correct TRM?

Who knows...

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