for stop and put on jail to all the people who are selling t-shirts for kill colombians at my country, many thanks

6120 kids has been killed for this terrorists groups...please do not buy that music or t-shirts, this helps to kill colombian people

It is so easy for this 4 or 5 persons at Denmark to be terrorist support at Europe, drinking cool beer and eating some snacks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7623664.stm

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Six people have been convicted in Denmark of raising funds for extremist groups by selling T-shirts with their logos on. A seventh was acquitted

Seems sensible enough to me.

Glad you mentioned it. Because I'm sure most of us are well-known for wearing terrorist logo'd t-shirts.

Some great ideas for the terrorist Group called FARC
1. They put bombs on the cities. They don’t care about humans rights, blow up everything.
2. They put some kind of “collar bombs” on the neck of people who don’t want to pay them money.
3. They use kids under 11-12 years old as “human shields”.

Almost all of you guys are located at Europe, so my only wish is if some day you can find an offer like that, please, don’t help this people, many of this guys who bought the 4.500 usd last year in this products, I am pretty sure do not know where is Colombia or what is happening over there.

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It says proceeds from the new range will not go to the militant groups themselves, but to legal aid groups supporting "victims of the Israeli occupation and Colombian government".

Hmmm, that sounds ethical until

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The company still makes T-shirts with the logos on, marketed on its website with the heading "Freedom fighters are not terrorists".

You question what their definition of a victim is.

I think that James Bond quote sums it up best. "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter".

I dont care if you get a paycheque from the government or a donation from a t-shirt manufacturer. If you sign up to kill somebody then you've lost my respect.

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I think that James Bond quote sums it up best. "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter".

You need the other half as well "Only the winner gets to write history".

We just erected a statue of Mr Mandela didn't we, wonder which one he is classed as

Today here at a local Radio one of this founder, talk at spanish and said so. They are not terrorist....i want to see this guy and tell him...look at this videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILLfRGgjYXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 7-NSM&feature=related
and thousand more.
This is the first time ever the last 10 year when you can drive for the highways without the fear of be stopped for this guys and be abducted.

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If you sign up to kill somebody then you've lost my respect.

does that include soldiers?

Here in Mexico the black market or the pirated (correct?) stuff is from Mexican Cartels (Mafia)... and people buy and support the cause.. still i think Colombia already lived that with Escobar

Denmark rox! wuhuw!

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does that include soldiers?

I know what it means to take a human life and I think any soldier who signs up knowing that they will be asked to kill somebody is a bloody fool. That's not to say joining the armed forces is in itself a poor decision, but if you sign up for a role where you will be asked to kill someone, you're a bloody idiot.

Choosing to take Human life, whether in the name of freedom or doing your job, just isn't a rational thing to do. I rather suspect a lot of soldiers take a long time to come to terms with that after the killing stops.

Of course in war 95% of the killing is done by just 5% of the soldiers, because the fact is that most soldiers simply bottle it and shoot bushes instead. Though most of the time that's all they can see anyway.

It depends on whether you believe humans to be just another animal (as I do), or something special that makes it wrong to kill them but okay to kill a pesky fly... And that would be double standards, and they aren't PC

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That's not to say joining the armed forces is in itself a poor decision, but if you sign up for a role where you will be asked to kill someone, you're a bloody idiot.

are there any other roles? well maybe theres the role of helping others to kill but thats hardly any better
honestly i cant see any reason to join any army ever

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are there any other roles? well maybe theres the role of helping others to kill but thats hardly any better
honestly i cant see any reason to join any army ever

Then you could say if you pay your taxes to any government that goes to war... Let me tell you about a friend of mine, she's an online friend I dont know her personally, she's from the Bush heartlands in America - and tbh, she's scares the hell out of me - and one of the reasons for this is her desire to join the army.

I asked her if she had considered what it meant to take human life, and her response was "yes. I talked to a veteran.", and so I quizzed her why that didnt put her off "I want to see the world" she said, before being pretty much focused on the point that the people her country would ask her to kill would deserve it, without once considering what it would meen for her to wake up in the cold of the night with the faces of the people she'd killed haunting her.

I've nothing morally against the concept of defence or the concept of my country having an army. I just think you have to be pretty stupid to want to do the killing yourself.

i agree on defence but defence against what and whom?
what interest could i possibly have in invading poland? i highly doubt an average german in 14 or 39 had any interest in taking over the rest of europe... which is probably the reason why it was allegedly started by polish soldiers attacking germany
but then again i dont think im able to ever understand patriotism or nationalism... im unable to care about arbitrary lines on a map beyond the point of using them to make fun of an island for their inability to hit a goal from 11 metres away

mmm interesting forces debate on the horizon, but I'm not about to head it off, I've tried to word my post as carefully as possible, but to put across what my brain is thinking is not easy so bae with me.

I have no interest in joining the forces it's not for me, however I have a fair number of friends who are in the Army/RAF, and they do not scare me at all, in fact I have to say some of them are the most caring humans I have had the pleasure of meeting. They knew that joining the forces they may at some time be called into action, and if that meant taking a life, then they would have to so it. Most join the forces because simply there is nothing much left for them, it's either that or the dole or crime. These guys who serve on the forces have my full respect, that they are willing to fight and defend for us when needed, yes at the moment most of our boys are being killed in phooney wars, but that's not their fault, and we should get our boys out asap.

There is a difference from the guys who join the forces to kill, and those who choose to serve, knowing that they may need to kill if/when the situation comes up, to call the later stupid and idiotic is deeply offensive IMO.

But what really gets my goat, what really gets me angry is people who protest, harass members of the force. I have seen it happen, and I can not for the love of God/ the Wee Man or Buddha understand why. These guys will be willing to lay down their life's if/when the situation calls upon, and these guys who have a go at them, will be the first to demand defending from them.

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i agree on defence but defence against what and whom?

In a way I feel less safe since the US demonstrated that starting an illegal war without UN concent was easy, but in reality invasion of the West isn't likely without nuclear holocaust (if Britain fell we'd fire them, so it stands to reason that an invasion would use them, and Britain being tiny means there wouldnt be much left to brag about when you stuck your flag into the burning remains of Buckingham Palace).

There just isn't a lot of point in having a nuclear war, but these SDI systems are kind of worrying, and it worries me more that one day a politician is going to think "hey sod it, we got SDI, they'll need more than nukes mwhaha. Countries with SDI scare me more than the emerging nuclear powers in the middle and far east.

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what interest could i possibly have in invading poland?

For old times sake?

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i highly doubt an average german in 14 or 39 had any interest in taking over the rest of europe... which is probably the reason why it was allegedly started by polish soldiers attacking germany

I highly doubt that in 39 any Polish soldiers had any interest in attacking a heavily industrialised major military power that had scared the bejesus out of Britain who saw the war coming and had to confess they'd left it a bit late to arm up. '39 wasnt a situation with high tension and nervous troops looking at each other, it was a carefully planned invasion with a long build up and lots of politics that even pretty caused the British PM to loose all public confidence (and opened the way for Churchill, yay, wave a flag...).

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im unable to care about arbitrary lines on a map beyond the point of using them to make fun of an island for their inability to hit a goal from 11 metres away

aye, I pretty much already see Europe as one country myself (which means Englands failures at that football game are also your failures) and i'd like to see the world as one country one day - except Kentucky. Fried Chicken is not a contribution to the world.

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There is a difference from the guys who join the forces to kill, and those who choose to serve

I dont think anyone joins the army to kill. They do it for a variety of reasons irrespective of the fact that they will have to kill - and that is what I think is foolish: Because it's under-estimating the value of human life, and what it will do to them, and that's something which will haunt them once they're back on civvy street.

I have no issue with soldiering per se, I just think soldiers havn't maybe really understood what their job means - if they did - they wouldn't do it.

But maybe that's just me not really getting the whole macho perspective?

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Most join the forces because simply there is nothing much left for them, it's either that or the dole or crime.

not a big fan of tinfoil hats but have you ever pondered how long it would have taken saddam to die from laughter if blair and bush had had to invade irak themself and without the support of thousands of people who dont have any other way to make a living legaly?

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In a way I feel less safe since the US demonstrated that starting an illegal war without UN concent was easy, but in reality invasion of the West isn't likely without nuclear holocaust (if Britain fell we'd fire them, so it stands to reason that an invasion would use them, and Britain being tiny means there wouldnt be much left to brag about when you stuck your flag into the burning remains of Buckingham Palace).

There just isn't a lot of point in having a nuclear war, but these SDI systems are kind of worrying, and it worries me more that one day a politician is going to think "hey sod it, we got SDI, they'll need more than nukes mwhaha. Countries with SDI scare me more than the emerging nuclear powers in the middle and far east.

either way its terrifying that seemingly the only way to keep the idiots in power from attacking each other is fear of total annihilation... and that it wont make much difference which idiot you vote for

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For old times sake?

im not sure if the polish would appreciate that particular brand of nostalgia

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and i'd like to see the world as one country one day

but whom would we be afraid of then? something tells me that the latest 100 year old video from some al quaida owned planet 100 lightyears away wont have much effect on anyone

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im not sure if the polish would appreciate that particular brand of nostalgia

I think you'd be suprised, Poland has been invaded more than just in 1939. In fact they have a long and colourful history of capitulation! Aside from churches i've never quite managed to figure out what else Poland has than a history of defeat that is eclipsed only by France, but when I do, i'll let your invasion planners know