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I've just read an interview (in Hungarian language) with Kovalainen. He said he doesn't feel good at McLaren... Why? He said, Hamilton is the no.1 in the team, the attention is only on him, at the qualifications, Hamilton is _always_ on better tactics than him. His car is heavier, that's why he's not too often in the first row. Then he asked.. How should I win races then? I just can't.
Thing is, he's not amazingly fast when he's on low fuel either
Even if Lewis is considered their #1 driver, I don't think McLaren would deliberately compromise Heikki's races so much that he ends up finishing not only behind his team mate but behind all their competition too.
Quote from thisnameistaken :Even if Lewis is considered their #1 driver, I don't think McLaren would deliberately compromise Heikki's races so much that he ends up finishing not only behind his team mate but behind all their competition too.

Exactly. McLaren want Kov at the front as much as he wants to be there himself. There's no reason for them to treat Kov differently to how Ferrari treat their "number 2", whoever it might be at that time in the season.
Quote from dawguk :Not this man. Alonso has acted like a child in at least the last two races. You can call Hami as egotistical as you like, but at least he doesn't say things like "I will ensure xxdriver doesn't win by helping his nearest rival". What a complete douche.

What is wrong with that? He doesn't like Hamilton so he wants Massa to win and is going to help Massa if he is in a position to do so.

Quote from dawguk :Drivers should drive, and keep their mouths shut.

Hamilton fan, right?
I think it's more of an issue of fans reading what drivers say and soaking up on all the non-race related crap and then going out of their way to defend them as if they're on the team's payroll or something.
Quote from zeugnimod :What is wrong with that? He doesn't like Hamilton so he wants Massa to win and is going to help Massa if he is in a position to do so.

Why would he be in the position to do so? He doesn't drive for Ferrari. He's just making a nuisance of himself, sticking his nose in where it isn't needed.

Quote from zeugnimod :Hamilton fan, right?

Well done

The difference being, that Hamilton is mostly critical of his own driving, his own race, and his own team. If these drivers put as much effort into their driving as they did in publicly attacking Lewis Hamilton perhaps they would have less to whine about.

@xaotik: That's what fans do. Wiki it
Quote from Mazz4200 :... so at the moment i'm holding my judgement on Hamiltons personality, but loving his hard-charging driving style. He a true racer in the strictest sense of the word, and far more exciting to watch than anyone else on the track. And for that reason alone i think he does deserve to win the WDC this year.

Gotta agree with that. In fact, I think the only reason I even watch F1 this year is because LH is there. What boring races would we have without him.

Plus the fact that people write pages and pages on the LH subject only tells that there must be something interesting about him
Racing needs personalities. Beit good or bad. And for that I think we should all be glad LH is there atm, no matter if you like or dislike him.

(yes I'm kind of a HamFan myself for reasons stated, although i try to keep my mouth shut about it generally, except now )
Quote from dawguk :Why would he be in the position to do so? He doesn't drive for Ferrari. He's just making a nuisance of himself, sticking his nose in where it isn't needed.

The difference being, that Hamilton is mostly critical of his own driving, his own race, and his own team. If these drivers put as much effort into their driving as they did in publicly attacking Lewis Hamilton perhaps they would have less to whine about.

Sorry but that is quite a big fanboy glass you have there.

Which driver did attack Hamilton publicly?

Hamilton mostly critical of his own driving? Come on, you can't really mean that.
Watch everyone start adoring Hamilton now Victor has said he's a fan...
Quote from zeugnimod :Sorry but that is quite a big fanboy glass you have there.

Never denied it

Quote from zeugnimod :Which driver did attack Hamilton publicly

Quote from zeugnimod :Hamilton mostly critical of his own driving? Come on, you can't really mean that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/7669827.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/7675283.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/7665767.stm

And, YES, these are BBC news pages, but IMO they are about as unbiased as they come, seeing as most of the time they bash Hamilton too. The BBC are pompous Tory butt kissers...
Quote from dawguk :Not this man. Alonso has acted like a child in at least the last two races. You can call Hami as egotistical as you like, but at least he doesn't say things like "I will ensure xxdriver doesn't win by helping his nearest rival". What a complete douche.

You don't seem to know what he really said right? And even if he said what you just said he said (lol) what's the problem?

He just said that if he is in position and can help Massa to win the WDC he will as he prefers Massa to win (OBVIOUSLY).

Next time please inform yourself better.
Quote from dawguk :@xaotik: That's what fans do. Wiki it

According to wikipedia fans, are able to either blow or suck depending on which side of them you stand - a fact that has been amply demonstrated.
Quote from dawguk :in it's context (which you removed), it was fitting. further to this, i'd like to discuss how you are informed about what i might or might not learn from the the internet. you're a special person, for being able to read minds.

if my post was pointless, your response to it was equally so.



your point is self-negating completely. how can someone possibly be conservative AND childish? your logic is flawed. i suspect that you're now using words that you don't actually understand.

I gave an example to prove my point

Im sure if you relised how much of a fan boy you are you would relise what im trying to say.
Quote from Mustafur :Im sure if you relised how much of a fan boy you are you would relise what im trying to say.

One unexpected benefit of this thread is that those of us who like Hamilton's driving but think he's a cock can at least take comfort in knowing he's not as much of a cock as his fans are.
Quote from xaotik :According to wikipedia fans, are able to either blow or suck depending on which side of them you stand - a fact that has been amply demonstrated.

Seriously Oxo, if you don't win the forums funniest personality this year i'm gonna find a shotgun and personally drive down to York and blow Kevs kneecaps off for you
Quote from Mazz4200 : Seriously Oxo, if you don't win the forums funniest personality this year i'm gonna find a shotgun and personally drive down to York and blow Kevs kneecaps off for you

This year I've been going more for a drunk-and-abusive sort of vibe. It's not funny but it is big and clever.
Quote from Mazz4200 : Seriously Oxo, if you don't win the forums funniest personality this year i'm gonna find a shotgun and personally drive down to York and blow Kevs kneecaps off for you

Neat - that'd also score me the forum's most connected personality of the year award.

Quote from thisnameistaken :This year I've been going more for a drunk-and-abusive sort of vibe. It's not funny but it is big and clever.

Plus it doesn't alienate the crowd.
Quote from thisnameistaken :One unexpected benefit of this thread is that those of us who like Hamilton's driving but think he's a cock can at least take comfort in knowing he's not as much of a cock as his fans are.

Grow up.
Quote from thisnameistaken :Shanghai last year he wore out his tyres racing Kimi when he didn't need to.

I think this one was more Ron Dennis' fault who tried to make a strategy on the fly to beat Alonso while he should keep the focus on fighting Räikkönen, wasn't it ?


Quote from thisnameistaken :Brazil last year he made a mistake trying to re-pass Alonso when he didn't need to. Last week he flat-spotted his tyres in T1 trying to re-pass Kimi, again, when he didn't need to.

That's more about what I find worrying.
Two other examples just come up to my mind:
Last week in Japan in the very last lap of the race, he pushed like mad locking wheels and burning tyres just to overtake Alonso before the finish line. What for ?
And also the famous 'there is a red light at the pit exit and also a car stopped on the track' but he didn't notice any of them. How come this could happen ?

Anyone can do and will do mistakes sooner or later. But crazy things ? Come on, this is not a video game...
Quote from Mazz4200 : Seriously Oxo, if you don't win the forums funniest personality this year i'm gonna find a shotgun and personally drive down to York and blow Kevs kneecaps off for you

Kev is still the only one that gets my sides splitting for no apparent reason, but I might haffto vote for them both.

Quote from thisnameistaken :This year I've been going more for a drunk-and-abusive sort of vibe. It's not funny but it is big and clever.

Yeah Kev... I've tried that too, the swine just start to bitch and moan, and then tattle to the big twats with ban-hammers.

Quote from xaotik :Neat - that'd also score me the forum's most connected personality of the year award.

Yes, and then you can send us all a complimentary bottle of wine for celebrations?

Quote from thisnameistaken :One unexpected benefit of this thread is that those of us who like Hamilton's driving but think he's a cock can at least take comfort in knowing he's not as much of a cock as his fans are.

It's their plan, because everything is relative... or else everything = 0. (Conservation of Energy FTW! ).

Also all you twats (and Bob!), you should be happy... I took the time to use that multi-quote option, rather than quadruple postings (as I'd have preferred).
Quote from dawguk :Grow up.

Make me.

Quote from Lotesdelere :Last week in Japan in the very last lap of the race, he pushed like mad locking wheels and burning tyres just to overtake Alonso before the finish line. What for ?

Yeah, same thing again. Always busy trying to make a point about something and loses sight of the goal.
Quote from Lotesdelere :
That's more about what I find worrying.
Two other examples just come up to my mind:
Last week in Japan in the very last lap of the race, he pushed like mad locking wheels and burning tyres just to overtake Alonso before the finish line. What for ?

That was because, according to martin brundle, if he is unlapped then if anybody gets a penalty or DNF etc, he can gain places. If he is a lap down, he cant.

Hamilton makes stupid mistakes, but he owns up to them at least. Massa is always complaining about the car being this and that. also he always says he had "the perfect lap" when he gets pole. I hear Lewis say he had an almost perfect lap. probably once did i hear hamilton say perfect lap.

the problem with most "fans" these days is they like to add and subtract little points so they dont get the full picture of drivers, and end up blinding themselves. tbh nobody on the grid deserves the WDC this yr. Maybe Adrian Sutil with his broke down force india? the top 6 drivers have been crap tbh, their cars did all the work. Although props to Alonso for his 2 wins. Maybe the only good driver on the grid tbh. But a complete arse off it.
Honestly, I think that Sutil should find his way into a better team. He drives his ass off in his little Force India, and always seems to fall prey to mechanical failure (or Kimi Raikonnennnen).
All I know right now is that the drivers that keep my watching F1 for now are Lewis, Kubica and Alonso. Lewis because of all the controversy about his bad driving but fast driving and his mental attitude and all that crap which makes it funny because I love how he actually fights for position, Kubica because he's so concistent and silent in the background yet he's 3rd and has a very good chance at 2nd and finally Alonso because he actually races! He doesnt just lap, he races! If you wanna pass him he WILL block you and WILL do whatever it takes to keep you behind and race you till its out of his reach. LH and Alonso are true fighters and Kubica is silent in the background but so consistent its incredible. The rest of the drivers are kinda fail imo... Sutil did show some skill every now and then and so did Heidfield and Vettel. Vettel, that guy has talent and a great future imo.

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