Agreed, Tristan.

I think deep down my point is just about how humble we should all be in predicting the long-term future of technology, computers, and entertainment. Thirty years ago there wasn't really such a thing as a computer game, and now look at the world. The futurologists did a terrible job in failing to predict the existence and importance of the internet, which reminds us that unanticipated world-changing stuff can always be around the corner. Current game designers are showing a lack of imagination in recycling the same four or five game concepts over and over, but the dark ages needn't last forever.

I think the only safe prediction is the obvious one: whatever technological breakthrough occurs, someone will try to use it to sell porn.

GT4 is fun, I play it now and then, heck last year I got 100% on it, I like it, but a sim it is not, and it never will be, it fills a niche, I like to think of it as "Car porn".

Dan,

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But I disagree with the fatalism inherent in your "console is always a console" statement. If you think about it, the PC is a terrible hodgepodge of parts and systems that doesn't make for a great game-playing environment either. Ten years from now, with high-end consoles in every living room, who is to say that a developer couldn't choose to go after the niche market in realistic driving simulations.

If/when PC dies as a gaming platform we'll probably see simulations for consoles because it's the only platform that is left. At current stage making a hardcore simulation for console would be a suicide for the dev team.

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In 10 years maybe, but with the current and even new-gen consoles I very much doubt we'll see any 'realistic' anytime soon.

Crap Turismo 5 and Forza über-Motorsport 2

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it fills a niche, I like to think of it as "Car porn".
Dan,

Makes sense.... Kind of an enticing slut with just enough cheap thrills and visual tricks to pass off as fun; but in the end it has no depth and lasting fulfillment in and of itself...

Good analogy Dan

I have concluded, i would like Nitrous but it ain't comin'.Ricers are freaky

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Yes, I assume you're talking about commercial pressures to produce games that millions of fourteen-year-olds will buy. And it's true that this perceived market doesn't push game production teams towards super-realistic simulation.

I am 13 and I have bought LFS S2. Granted, I know people who like NFS (Which is good for 15 minutes but no more) but don't overstereotype.

No offence intended, Duke. Games companies target a demographic that happens to include you: millions of fourteen-year-olds actually do buy games. It's great to hear that one or more thirteen-year-olds are buying LFS, but sadly you're a man against the tide.

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LFS is a driving / racing simulator and therefore should have nitrous oxide.
But does anyone really want it? i dont and seems hardly anyone else does either.

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Show me a proper curcuit race series that uses N2O.

Dan,

I think it should be included, with restrictions. Though there is the "passing" button on the IRL?? cars? Either CART or IRL I don't keep up totally, anyone know for sure which one?

I do know that I wouldn't want it in any of the circuit races. The drag racing community would enjoy it. There are more than just circuit racers that play LFS =P

LOOK INTO MY EYES :hypnotize: GIVE ME YOUR SRT-4 :hypnotize:

Come on guys we have been over this subject more times then I can count. Yes there is a place in LFS for it, Drag Racing, but it will not likely be implimented until after there are tool inplace to limit the used of just a feature to either individual tracks or through server side options. For now its a dead subject. The pieces needed to control it are not in place there for it does not YET have a place in LFS.

It may be dead dead in your eyes but there are still newer people that want to know. Besides how could you know the devs don't have something to block it, surely it cannot be that hard. Your making it sound like your trying to find a solution to get a space shuttle into space...

can i just say one thing - Push 2 Pass is NOT N20, it is an engine managemnet feature that lets you run the enging faster for a short while HOWEVER running it like this for extended periods of time is damaging, thus if you need the extra power you can have it, but only for short amounts of time

IMHO if you need a button to pass, you really dont want LFS!

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can i just say one thing - Push 2 Pass is NOT N20, it is an engine managemnet feature that lets you run the enging faster for a short while HOWEVER running it like this for extended periods of time is damaging, thus if you need the extra power you can have it, but only for short amounts of time

IMHO if you need a button to pass, you really dont want LFS!

I agree, was just saying the NNOS would be nice for drags. =P I would hate to have it on the racetrack.

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LOOK INTO MY EYES :hypnotize: GIVE ME YOUR SRT-4 :hypnotize:

LOL you dont want an 05, they upped the friction plates for the sycro's too much and they have meshing issues. I think almost every 05 srt will have tranny work done on it before the warrenty runs out. I donno if they are working on a fix, right now they are just throwing parts at the problem

Viper I am basing what I said, on things the devs have said in the past and is part of their core deveopment stratigy. Features are only added when all supporting features needed to make it work are in place. Pit stops did not appear untill there was a reason to pit, tire wear was not added until tire temp was added, as it was need to calculate the wear rates, etc. Its like putting up a building, there is no point building the roof if the walls and foundation are not yet in place.

This relates to Nitrous Oxide systems in that while they may have a place in LFS they are not found in all forms of racing as such limits need to be in place first, hell their might be other factors as well, like which cars get it, if it should be adjustable, Pill Size, etc. Like wings and downforce I am sure the devs feel, not every car needs it.

Its a dam fine approach that allows the sim to constantly elove in complexity step by step, without having to put in too many placeholder systems which will need to be rewritten down the road as more complexity is needed.

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It's great to hear that one or more thirteen-year-olds are buying LFS

I was 11 when i bought it.

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N2O has NO place in a realistic sim, period.

Well actually N2O has been used in hillclimbing (now banned for safety reasons) and when well setup in a car with a highly stressed racing engine designed for short distance work can be very effective

For this post...Go back to play EA games :riceboy:

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i think the lfs people should put a new game installer with NOS.

Please... no more useless mods, LFS is soon going to be NFS!!!

If you guys hate it that much, why do you bring a dieing thread back to life? illepall

Nobody replied for almost a month, I hoped it would finally disappear from my subscribed threads, now it's ruined again. Please let it die peacefully!

To show my strong opinion about shi*** nos

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To show my strong opinion about shi*** nos

Right!! illepall

I think the push to pass feature which is found in A1GP and ChampCar I believe would be an interesting feature, maybe in S3? Would have to a server-side option so that admin can choose whether to have this or not, and maybe choose the number of push to pass. This feature should only be available on something like the FO8 though (and maybe the FOX). Then again maybe it wouldn't be such a good feature.

N2O though (NOS) has no place in LFS though.

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i think the lfs people should put a new game installer with NOS.

go ahead and burn your tires flat in 5th gear at turn one on BL GP....or on the rallycross track...get all that speed and then slam your self from drifting off of the dirt hairpin and wreck your car tumbling through the air and land cockeyed so you have to pit every single lap before you can finish any race...unable to move...

hey what if nitrous oxide was in the game but with some features like: having 2 tanks each tank fill up on each pit stop, or fill up 50% on each pit stop the choice is yours. Please put it in the game.