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I concur, just because someone was in the Army, does not make them better.

Being a leader is not about war, at least not to people who have a modicome(spelling it's 1.30am) of concern for the life of other people :s
Quote from th84 :I'll tell you like I told a co-worker... A white man voting for another white man because that is who he is most comfortable with is not racism. A white man who votes for a white man because his opponent is a black man, that is racism.

Not really. If you vote for someone because they are a certain race, that is racism. Racism means that you think that one race is superior to others. In my opinion, racism is not wrong. You can think whatever you want to. It's discrimination that is wrong.
Racism is wrong by definition

Besides, I thought "to be racist" could include, among many other things, "being discriminative" because of colour/beliefs-.
Quote from major_syphillis :It's not about racism, the fact that he used to be a muslim and now denies that ever being true.

Why couldn't a muslim be elected president? Or any other faith for that matter, your countries constitution segregated church and state, it seems sad that in recent years it has moved backwards.

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You guys rag and tag on people who voted republican as some racists. But 97% of blacks that voted, voted for Obama, 47% of those first time voters and I suppose more than 50% voted because of one thing, race. So, who is the racist?

I seem to remember someone was booed into the White House after votes were discounted in a prominently black area that were expected to vote overwhelmingly for a white Democratic candidate.
First, I'd like to applaud everyone for not personally attacking others. First and foremost, were all here because we share a love for LFS.


Quote from ajp71 :Why couldn't a muslim be elected president? Or any other faith for that matter, your countries constitution segregated church and state, it seems sad that in recent years it has moved backwards.

I seem to remember someone was booed into the White House after votes were discounted in a prominently black area that were expected to vote overwhelmingly for a white Democratic candidate.

It's not that he's muslim, it's the fact that he totally denied ever being muslim. Although, and I'm speaking out of ignorance as I don't know too many muslims. But they have been given a very bad rep after 9/11.


Politics are corrupt, even Obama, just facts of life I guess.
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Quote from wheel4hummer :Racism means that you think that one race is superior to others. In my opinion, racism is not wrong.

Quote from th84 :Any particular reason why you feel that way? I'm just curious.

Tristan's family own their own successful business, which employs Tristan and which Tristan will no doubt one day inherit. He's made his feelings clear about the working class before - I think he called us "scum". So it's safe to say he'd rather see low taxes, low public spending, no state benefits, no national health service etc. because he personally has had a very privileged upringing and likely will never need them.
Quote from major_syphillis :It's not that he's muslim, it's the fact that he totally denied ever being muslim. Although, and I'm speaking out of ignorance as I don't know too many muslims. But they have been given a very bad rep after 9/11.

So have Americans.

You're a classic thick American; you don't know anything about muslims but Fox News says he's a bad man because he knew someone who was a muslim and therefore might be a muslim and you swallow the whole thing and even evangelise for them whilst admitting you haven't a clue what they're talking about?
Quote from thisnameistaken :Tristan's family own their own successful business, which employs Tristan and which Tristan will no doubt one day inherit. He's made his feelings clear about the working class before - I think he called us "scum". So it's safe to say he'd rather see low taxes, low public spending, no state benefits, no national health service etc. because he personally has had a very privileged upringing and likely will never need them.

That is called capitalism. Something I'm very proud of here in America. Someone in his life made a lot of sacrifices to bring the business up. With enough determination, anyone can do it. You can't blame Tristan that his forefathers worked very hard to be where they are at now. I admire that.

I come from a middle class family. I am putting myself through college and so is my GF, we both will have doctorite degrees in the near future. I am working my ass off to become successful, you have no idea (school 24/7 and a full time job). And I don't see how people sit on their asses and feed off of the gov't.

One of the main reasons why I'm anti Obama, socializing isn't solving, it's enabling people to be lazy.
Quote from thisnameistaken :So have Americans.

You're a classic thick American; you don't know anything about muslims but Fox News says he's a bad man because he knew someone who was a muslim and therefore might be a muslim and you swallow the whole thing and even evangelise for them whilst admitting you haven't a clue what they're talking about?

No need for personal attacks. Can't we all have different views without being judged?

You bring up Fox news as your only defense. I read more media that you'd comprehend.


He was a muslim and now denies it to be elected president. Yeah, it's called hypocrisy and I don't stand for it.
Quote from major_syphillis :That is called capitalism. Something I'm very proud of here in America. Some one in his life made a lot of sacrifices to bring the business up. With enough determination, anyone can do it. You can't blame Tristan that his forefathers worked very hard to be where they are at now. I admire that.

Right. So people who inherit wealth and are free to enjoy a lazy, opulent lifestyle (I'm not suggesting that Tristan himself is lazy) are to be admired. OK.

Quote from major_syphillis :One of the main reasons why I'm anti Obama, socializing isn't solving, it's enabling people to be lazy.

But people who are born into poverty and don't escape are to be castigated?

I hope your reasoning skills improve if you plan to achieve a doctorate in something or other - despite your apparent incapability of spelling the word "doctorate".

Quote from major_syphillis :(back to Obama) He was a muslim and now denies it to be elected president. Yeah, it's called hypocrisy and I don't stand for it.

Who says he was a muslim?

Your last president hooked up top jobs for a bunch of his oil executive buddies, then sent thousands of your young men to die in foreign wars in order to provide fat pay checks to those cronies. That's called corruption but apparently it's OK by you. Presumably because someone in Bush's ancestral line managed to make a few bucks and you think all their descendants should be admired for it?
Goonie what does religion have to do with leading a country?

Also, you pay for college don't you? If you were born in poverty were would you get that money from?
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He was a muslim and now denies it to be elected president. Yeah, it's called hypocrisy and I don't stand for it.

Any kind of citeable source (not CNN)? Putting Obama and muslim into google gets this as the first response. I think the chain e-mails pretty much sum it up. I think the fact that half the Repulican campaign was trying to spell this message that Obama is black=muslim=evil terrorist was frighteningly effective at getting votes, thankfully not all of America is quite that backwards..
Quote from thisnameistaken :Right. So people who inherit wealth and are free to enjoy a lazy, opulent lifestyle (I'm not suggesting that Tristan himself is lazy) are to be admired. OK.

Is it his fault that his family had determination? No one is admired. Anyone can do it, even you.


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But people who are born into poverty and don't escape are to be castigated?

I hope your reasoning skills improve if you plan to achieve a doctorate in something or other - despite your apparent incapability of spelling the word "doctorate".

Anyone can escape poverty. My parents came to america with 3 kids and no money. My dad has been working 15 hour days for the last 20 years. My mom works 48 hours. They live comfortably through hard work.

And no need to be a grammar nazi, oh well I misspelled a word on a forum, big deal.

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Who says he was a muslim?

Your last president hooked up top jobs for a bunch of his oil executive buddies, then sent thousands of your young men to die in foreign wars in order to provide fat pay checks to those cronies. That's called corruption but apparently it's OK by you. Presumably because someone in Bush's ancestral line managed to make a few bucks and you think all their descendants should be admired for it?

All politics are corrupt. No denying that. Even your man Obama is receiving perks as we speak.

Don't patronize soldiers that died for their country. They joined the armed forces with the knowledge of self sacrifice. I have a lot of friends that have fought in Iraq and are damned proud of their service. Fight on terror isn't conventional warfare. Yeah, it's been drawn out but you can't deny the positive of "allies" being in Iraq/Afganistanm probably saved hundreds of innocent lives already as many terrorist acts have been put to rest because of "our" occupation.
Quote from ajp71 :Any kind of citeable source (not CNN)? Putting Obama and muslim into google gets this as the first response. I think the chain e-mails pretty much sum it up. I think the fact that half the Repulican campaign was trying to spell this message that Obama is black=muslim=evil terrorist was frighteningly effective at getting votes, thankfully not all of America is quite that backwards..

Google barry soetoro... you're not the mister know it all, are you?


Quote from evilpimp :Also, you pay for college don't you? If you were born in poverty were would you get that money from?

I've been working full time since I was 15. Yea, I couldn't go out and party all the time with my friends but I made that sacrifice. Paid myself through school. Currently in debt 200k+ with student loans. If I can do, anyone can. But instead they choose to get high or whatever. I didn't let my parents contribute anything to my education as I saw the hardship they've endured to bring me to America. Some people are just lazy.
I was going to get into this, but I can see major syphillis has already killed it. I hope there is a difference between what I sound like when I argue a point, and other "conservatives" on this forum. That kind of "he's a terrorist" bullshit isn't good enough for FOX, especially when there are much more legitimate reasons to dislike the guy.
Quote from major_syphillis :Yeah, it's been drawn out but you can't deny the positive of "allies" being in Iraq/Afganistanm probably saved hundreds of innocent lives already as many terrorist acts have been to rest because of "our" occupation.

What planet are you on? Afghanistan may or may not have had an effect on terrorist groups but was justifiable. Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda and terrorist attacks on the West. In case you have forgotten the official reason we went to war was because Saddam supposedly had weapons of mass destruction, these imaginary weapons presented such an enormous risk to the world that George W and his poodle ignored the fact they had international disapproval, made a complete mockery of the UN and entered a pointless war. What they then found was that rather than being able to quickly restore order and get some kind of PR/oil/American jobs gain out of Iraq they got insurgency causing mayhem, whether there are now any links to Islamic extremists who have attacked Western soil is unclear, but quite likely given that they have inadvertently created an ideal supply of angry people and an uncontrolled country for them.

Terrorist attacks on the West pose almost no danger at all, Katrina killed almost as many as 9/11 (and unlike 9/11 still leaves large numbers of people homeless) but it has been all but forgotten about, probably through a mix of lack of media hype and the fact that it affected predominantly black people which are practically terrorists anyway using the Republican logic.
Quote from flymike91 :I was going to get into this, but I can see major syphillis has already killed it. I hope there is a difference between what I sound like when I argue a point, and other "conservatives" on this forum. That kind of "he's a terrorist" bullshit isn't good enough for FOX, especially when there are much more legitimate reasons to dislike the guy.

I'm not sayin he's a terrorist. he's just not credible.
Quote from ajp71 :What planet are you on? Afghanistan may or may not have had an effect on terrorist groups but was justifiable. Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda and terrorist attacks on the West. In case you have forgotten the official reason we went to war was because Saddam supposedly had weapons of mass destruction, these imaginary weapons presented such an enormous risk to the world that George W and his poodle ignored the fact they had international disapproval, made a complete mockery of the UN and entered a pointless war. What they then found was that rather than being able to quickly restore order and get some kind of PR/oil/American jobs gain out of Iraq they got insurgency causing mayhem, whether there are now any links to Islamic extremists who have attacked Western soil is unclear, but quite likely given that they have inadvertently created an ideal supply of angry people and an uncontrolled country for them.

Terrorist attacks on the West pose almost no danger at all, Katrina killed almost as many as 9/11 (and unlike 9/11 still leaves large numbers of people homeless) but it has been all but forgotten about, probably through a mix of lack of media hype and the fact that it affected predominantly black people which are practically terrorists anyway using the Republican logic.

I can never say it was a good war. But I can assume that Saddam was harboring terrorists. It's a pretty fair assumption also, whatever your view on the war may be. I know Bush was corrupt, I am not a fan of what he did. So, when was the last terrorist strike compared to a few years ago? I don't remember any Al Queda strikes in the recent past. Although, I can recall a sh!t load of them in the distant past. Resemble a correlation?
Quote from major_syphillis :Google barry soetoro... you're not the mister know it all, are you?

About the only thing I think can be established is that he used a nickname and his step father's surname in his younger years and has since changed back to using his birth name. Why this is so shocking I don't know, the 'liberal' media (I don't think you can comprehend that, or read, any media can be prepared in a non-biased fair manner) hasn't considered his childhood nickname to be important to his ability to be president of the US. I know several people who have adopted a nick name and a step parent's surname as their legal name, I wouldn't be suprised if at some point in their life they choose, for personal reasons, to use their birth name again.
Quote from ajp71 :About the only thing I think can be established is that he used a nickname and his step father's surname in his younger years and has since changed back to using his birth name. Why this is so shocking I don't know, the 'liberal' media (I don't think you can comprehend that, or read, any media can be prepared in a non-biased fair manner) hasn't considered his childhood nickname to be important to his ability to be president of the US. I know several people who have adopted a nick name and a step parent's surname as their legal name, I wouldn't be suprised if at some point in their life they choose, for personal reasons, to use their birth name again.

He denounced the whole thing. That is my point. He's blatantly lying to the people.
Quote from major_syphillis :I can never say it was a good war. But I can assume that Saddam was harboring terrorists. It's a pretty fair assumption also, whatever your view on the war may be. I know Bush was corrupt, I am not a fan of what he did. So, when was the last terrorist strike compared to a few years ago? I don't remember any Al Queda strikes in the recent past. Although, I can recall a sh!t load of them in the distant past. Resemble a correlation?

The BBC news website has 7 news items over the last 10 days of suicide bombings with multiple (civilian) fatalities, a lot of news stories now cover multiple bombings and don't make the headlines because they are just so routine, hardly what I'd call a decrease in terrorist activity.

Quote from major_syphillis :He denounced the whole thing. That is my point. He's blatantly lying to the people.

Ok. Find me a good non-biased article both with strong proof that he was a muslim and that he has directly denied it? Personally I haven't looked into what faith he was born into or practised at an early age, it is as irrelevant as what faith he chooses to follow now in his eligibility to be president. The fact that Americans might just be ready to accept race (although I think your kind are prime examples that not all are) but certainly haven't got over the issue of religion yet.
Quote from ajp71 :The BBC news website has 7 news items over the last 10 days of suicide bombings with multiple (civilian) fatalities, a lot of news stories now cover multiple bombings and don't make the headlines because they are just so routine, hardly what I'd call a decrease in terrorist activity.

What about terrorist activities overseas? I'm not talking about bombings in Iraq.


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Ok. Find me a good non-biased article both with strong proof that he was a muslim and that he has directly denied it? Personally I haven't looked into what faith he was born into or practised at an early age, it is as irrelevant as what faith he chooses to follow now in his eligibility to be president. The fact that Americans might just be ready to accept race (although I think your kind are prime examples that not all are) but certainly haven't got over the issue of religion yet.

And again, you bring up race, not me. I have nothing against black people. Seems like all you guys play is the race card.

You'll see something in the next few days. Something is gonna be posted in a national newspaper.
Quote from major_syphillis :Anyone can escape poverty. My parents came to america with 3 kids and no money. My dad has been working 15 hour days for the last 20 years. My mom works 48 hours. They live comfortably through hard work.

Ah, so there was never anybody at home to raise you - that explains a lot.

Quote from major_syphillis :Don't patronize soldiers that died for their country. They joined the armed forces with the knowledge of self sacrifice. I have a lot of friends that have fought in Iraq and are damned proud of their service.

You're pretty big on pride and admiration and all that bollocks, aren't you? You get the warm fuzzies from waving a flag and that's all you want out of it, right?

Some of us aren't so "us and them" all the time. I don't want something if it means I have to take it from someone else. I'd rather share it. For some reason people like me scare the living shit out of you. Why is that?

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