i know its a long shot but im asking anyways

scawen you and erik have any plane to make a "cruise" only map? some fictional city totally open or something?

character design?

i guess we will see some chick on the pit wall flashing boobs to distract us from the holy purpose of driving?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV55V5JSqBQ

Quote from kars19 :

AC has the same problem, there is already ~50+ mod trakcs, but only 5 of them can be called decent, still better then nothing

well no i mean every fictional track that i saw there yes maybe it had some problem and wasnt very well desinged but who cares? if they are fun to drive nothing else matters

well i tried yesterday to run lfs in a stereoscopic monitor(true 3d without glasses and hippy thingies)
(its a planar monitor that uses 2 lcd's one above you and one in front of you)

while at first its going nicely and the motion of fluid like you expect (all of that in a cruise server) when you start to floor it down the background of the track goes into some sort of "Bloom" effect (i dont even know how should i even describe it..)its like the car is going into a stargate and reaching light speed sort of thing

i dont know if it is incopartibility/drivers/not properly configured (which probably is but im not willing to spend so much time to try and find what is going on)

Quote from hackerx :

Who's Eric?

a pan dimensional beign some people say he is a developer some others says he is a just a panda no one knows

scawen a stupid question

have you consider to change the name of the updates to actual names of something? places/ancient gods or whatever instead of just numbers?

Quote from r8response :

It seems harsh, but for many (speaking from an Australian racers point of view) this is too little too late.

Just recently the oldest Australian LFS League shut up shop. We'd been racing LFS every Monday night for countless years, but a lack of interaction with the devs and more importantly, meaningful updates slowly but surely killed the game as competitors showed up on the scene.

A new content update may bring a few racers back, unfortunate I think it'll only be temporary.



The ship for many has well and truly sailed.

Myself, I'll always remember the many intense battles I had playing LFS. I got more than my monies worth from LFS.

It might be gone (IMO), it'll never be forgotten!

should i even ask whats the point to come here rant about the lack of development in a thread about development?

yeah for some reason ccc couldnt force anything else beyond the AA so i maxed out everything in game it got better BUT that i wish that sunset would have been a bit more darker

z buffer came back(after i reinstalled and patched it again ) on but the graphics remains the same
http://i.imgur.com/a5p5GWu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZWJNMb9.jpg
its way to pixelated from what it was and im playing with forced aa af from the amd cc panel (dont know if that has anything to do with it)

Last edited by Scawen, Thu 19 Jun 2014, 11:03. Reason : removed IMG tags on the large images

z buffer option has completly gone (16 and 24 are disabled) and the result is textures are a bit "funny"
lfs havent crash i have the latest directx everything is up to date
tried to force lfs from profiling it in amd cc nothing

reinstall it without the update everything is going nice so far trying to find the source of the problem

well its funny how i have 40+fps comparing to dx8 now

i notice some strange things (maybe its not my side but..)
when i jumped from aston to blackwood the sky was black for 10-20 secs then it reset its self
again in blackwood i found a hole in the tarmac while i was driving jumped in and then the texure came back up

edit:nevermind i forgot that i had boinc running on the background..

Last edited by giannhsgr1, Wed 18 Jun 2014, 06:30.

i know its very off topic but i kinda wanna ask it

will it be possible in the near future to post any kind of screenshots from the new tracks you guys are working on?

im just wondering here
ok i guess the whole update our workstation will be very risky and time consuming from xp to 7

but if you had the choice right now right here to port the whole damn thing from dx9 to dx10 or something else compartible and accesible from both platforms would you do it?

Quote from Scawen :

I have only heard the opposite. Windows 7 did originally allow developers to switch on the debug version of DirectX 9, but recently disabled that ability. My understanding of it is a deliberate move to discourage developers from developing for anything other than the latest versions of Windows, to subsequently increase sales. It's a heavy handed approach that basically turns me away from wanting to support them in the long run.

On this subject, there is a well known misconception that increasing the version of DirectX can magically make the graphics look better. But it doesn't work like that. As you can see, we recently upgraded to DX9 and it looks pretty much identical. In fact, DirectX 9 is very advanced, a 'mature' version of DirectX that allow many possibilities for programmable vertex and pixel shaders. It allows a whole world of possibilities. LFS hardly scratches the surface of what you can do with it.

The later versions of DirectX don't really add very much. To that extent it's a bit like XP vs later versions of Windows. Microsoft reached a good level with XP and DX9, and can't really sell later versions on their own merit. So, to keep sales and cash flow up and make the shareholders happy, they are having to resort to bullying tactics, force, scaremongering and deceptive advertising to try to get people to upgrade.

yeah i saw it again that you need a checked version of windows 7 to use the debug option(im suprised that no one in msdn has found a way around it or microsoft is going all over hitler on their asses..)which means no option left

yes i know but most of the people cant understand that you guys dont actually work on crytek 3 and yet lfs has graphics of 1900 b.c (dont get me wrong one of the main reasons i love lfs is because of that ive tried every other sim other there with 20-30 cars and the lag was strong on them..)

Quote from Racer X NZ :

The problem is that we're talking about 2 different situations;

1: Running XP in a business sense when it's only carrying out a production/developement role.

2: Running XP in a home machine.

1: I understand what you say regarding XP in this role, hopefully it's being used offline, and if not, it's being used without visiting torrent sites or infact, any site which may expose it to malware. This includes Yahoo, Steam, Origin, the latest site to be hacked though heartbleed, or any other hacker.
If you avoid the internet then XP is perfectly safe to use. I still have a client running DOS 3.11 as they don't want to change software. It's not on the net, I have a spare box in case his eventually fails, so no problem.

2: Home PC, This machine is used for everything, especially error code 666 ( Teenagers ), IMHO, Linux is great in this role, no issue with malware, they can't download 'Speed up my PC', conduit, 'Reg Doctor' or any of the other crap that I make money from cleaning up.
In this role, XP is only going to become more and more of a liability. If this is the use your PC gets, Dawes is completly correct. And, in my view, if there's some piece of XP software that really doesn't run under 7 (AutoCad 2002 as an example, ) then that run's perfectly under Win 7's virtual XP mode. Yes, in virtual mode you don't get your video card but that isn't an issue with production software.

TL;DR, Don't run XP unless you know why your running XP.

there isnt a problem
who the hell cares where they are developing lfs? will it matter if it was in a xp or in 7 8 or freaking windows 100.000.000?

no NO no one cares where they are doing they work no one will say "oh he has an amd 631 thats bad developer i wont buy lfs"
when the time comes and he will be able to pass on newer (or whatever else) api then he will update according to his needs


@scawen
i think i heard that ms "reinstall" some sort of "old panel" for debug in dx 9.0 and back into windows 7 some months ago if my memory is correct

(and just because we are in 2014 doesnt mean lfs needs to have top notch graphics..i would love some slight update just enough but not to make graphics card to struggle to render 30+ cars..)

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Oh no, please don't do that...

nVidia 3D Vision doesn't run with OGL at the moment.

who cares about nvidia anyway

i dont know if anyone have suggested already but move to mantle! :P

Last edited by giannhsgr1, Wed 11 Jun 2014, 15:40.

Quote from MoMo92i :

This.

At the end of the day, we are all only using the steering wheel to feel the car when in reality you need your bottom also for it.

you use your ass to navigate? you know that this is a massive lie eh? the whole point of humans having ears is to be able to sense and counteract the forces if your ass was suppose to do that job i cant imagine what pornstars must feel after sex..

well i use to create maps for css and ut in ue let me say that the most "irritating " part of a map/track is the fine tuning of the textures and having already specific high res pictures of the texture you wanna use makes your life x100 better..

today you can map a track even with sound waves..some people even use small drones to scan a specific area(which btw can be autopiloted)

so you see nowdays there isnt "lots of work" when a team knows what the hell they are doing when i see videos like that (and believe me there are tons of those for every god damn game) that want to justify their hard work with some funky machines and some good shot angles it just makes me wanna die


problem is that you pay a montly fee AND you need to pay extra to play whatever league you want(if you want in the first place..) its like valve makes half life 3 and charge you every level you pass i mean its stupid but there are people that gonna pay..(like those idiots in mechwarrior that payed 500+bucks to get a gold skin..)

(and you cant get a return because pixels doesnt really compensate actually you loose from electric bill +net bill+iracing bla bla bla unless you mine coins in the same time )

Last edited by giannhsgr1, Wed 28 May 2014, 20:44.

Quote from aaltomar :

I'm a fan of iRacing.

iRacing doesn't force you to buy, but rather you wan't to buy (some) of those shiny things (couldn't care less for oval content). I went to play some snooker with a friend and after three beers and two hours of play it cost a total 37 euros each. iRacing is dirt cheap compared to this. Of course, as it is an online racing series it is quite difficult to race a full season if you don't have all the track content the schedule determines. Luckily I'm not too bothered to race against real people, too much "work" involved, I mostly just hotlap and race against myself.

So how does this compare to LFS where you can't purchase new content even if you would like to?

I just think it's quite one sided view saying that iRacing does everything half assed as you seem to claim. Conversely I do like the latest NTM5 and with the latest patch you can enable "friction" in ini settings to make you feel more connected with your FFB wheel. I do think that the cars aren't always as controllable as I would like to, regaining grip is sometimes quite difficult. But overall it's quite enjoyable once you've familiarized yourself with the handling, you need to get into to the zone.

I guess the biggest thing for me is the laser scanned tracks with all the bumps and camber changes. LFS surface feels very dull and uninspiring being almost perfectly smooth. Also I think iRacing has nailed the cockpit movement, my eyes are at rest when consentrating on the horizon while still having a good sense what the car is doing. Especially with triplescreen and FOV around 140. I haven't been able to achieve the same in LFS or in AC either. In LFS the car chassis seem to react too fast to bumbs, very distracting. Just these two issues make iRacing worth it to me personally. Plus it looks quite nice, very practical and realistic. I don't care for 'effects' (of course I wouldn't mind having dynamic weather and track surfaces).

Most angst seem to come from the fact that 'some' think it's too expensive. "I'd like to have that shiny thing but it's too expensive for me so I'll bash it to hell saying it's the worst ever to make myself feel better for not having the shiny thing that some for some odd reason seem to like despite it's totally not worth it. Yeah thats it, iRacing sucks"

so iracing doesnt force you? they do giveaway freely tracks and cars?
and so if iracing doesnt force you to buy overpriced piece of s^$^%$% who does? your self? what twisted logic is that?

Quote from CodeLyoko1 :

oh dear, you will be disapointed. scawen already has trouble going from dx8 to dx9

im not i know that porting is always tricky i mean i had problems couple of years ago when i wanted to port maps from an old UE engine to a new one..i cant imagine how it is to "update" from an old api to a new one..

but as far as we know lfs is still in development right? (yeah its 7 months old news but still IS NEWS) and ok as much as i wanted to see some screenshots of those tracks just to make a hype i respect their decision not to

i mean if they are taking so long i think that its not only the desing but i think we will see some updated graphics as well(i hope not too much since lfs is still popular because of the simple graphics as well) and i hope some day/night system (this is like that i personally want the most because its like racing on the moon all the time sun and sun and sun and sun :razz

Quote from bishtop :

then that comes down to confidence in ones driving,its obviously a factor in determining if someone is faster or not but its cannot be the main factor.

no its about having confidence in others driving expirience.. you dont want to be near maldonado for example..

Quote from The Very End :

Heyheyheyheyheyheyhey
I did not mention Iracing, and I have not played it since last year either, so don't accuse me of beeing a fanboy of it

And actually, yes I agree to subsription fees like online games have. Sure, it costs more, but there are progress every week. At least for a spoiled **** like me I prefer to pay to get an updated game

problem is does the money you invest reflects in the original mission of the game?
because iracing is way off to be called "simulator"

Quote from edge3147 :

New Theory...... Scawen, Victor and Eric can't agree upon the future of LFS halting all major updates and progress?

new theory update 1
rumor have it the update was ready and because with it lfs would dominate the world they ship it with malaysian airlines
usa found out and send a f22 to shot it down
(how im going with this?)