Quote from srdsprinter :

people "who can never finish a race" without a reset button really bought the wrong game

your logic is highly refutable. The Reset button does not allow a driver to become better. How then are people In Real Life are still becoming better drivers?

Regardless of how well this game simulates real life, this is not real life.. People are always going to be more bound to push the envelope when the worst punishment possible is merely loosing the game. You also fail to take into account the fact that there are keyboard drivers, mouse drivers, wheel drivers, and the people with the resources to have the best wheels and pedals. The possibilities are endless, and with a harshly defined reset/repair or noreset, then people are simply going to leave the game.

You may see argument in my logic, but that does not mean either of us are correct, nor able to speak for the vast majority. This is a world where everyone has an opinion, but that opinion is not always the correct answer, if there even is a correct answer. The communities lack of flexibility on an issue this miniscule is simply put, idiotic. By allowing the reset to cater to everyone, and the cruise servers, you are opening the game to many more players. Last time I checked, more players meant more money, which was win-win. Yes, this is aiming to be a hardcore sim, but allowing more customization, and catering to larger crowds can allow it to do so much more.

~Dark

Yeh, I love to see a community come together in such harmony..

While so few realise that there are drivers of VASTLY varying skill levels, and servers are required to cater to all skill levels. So few people in the world can look down from upon thier pedestal and smile smugly knowing that thier status as greek gods can go unchallenged.

The reset function not only caters to the cruise servers, but also caters to the servers who host races for children, younger players, and those without a Micheal Schumacher grasp of racing skills. The ability to have a reset/repair, reset/norepair, and noreset can cater to everyone fairly, and thus advance lesser players skills through time and practice.

Those who come in here and say Scawen did this to make it a hardcore sim, are forgetting one thing.. People who can never finish a race, are going to get pissed and leave to game, simply put. Not everyone is born with the god given talents that some people on this forum so highly tout. Without the servers catering to lesser skilled drivers, the evolution to become a more highly skilled driver will cease to exist completely.

You can call this arguement assanine all you wish, but the logic is irrefutable.

~Darksiede

yeh, its LTC he speaks of...

We've had this recurring issue with nothing commonly triggering it that we can find, but eventually after 45 minutes to 3~4 hours, it "lags" out.

Everything is still working, but players appear under "lag X.XX Seconds" tags, that never vanish with anything short of a complete server reset..

~Dark

Any chance one of the guru's can kick me out a good Tow-mater skin for the RB4?... Like Mater in cars is what im kinda lookin for, rusty, mismatched door colors, etc.. any help getting one would be appreciated..

~Dark

Last edited by Darksiede69, Fri, 18 May 2007 03:03.

Biggest problem I see, is this is a worldwide game, and thus, it brings out many drivers of vastly varying skill levels. Thats great! the problem is however, there is no simple way to find a server on your level to compete on.

A prime example is people running FOX @ AS Club, the fast people post 1:00.XX to 1:01.XX laptimes, then a second group is posting 1:03.XX to 1:08.XX, and usually a few laggards even slower. I know as well as all of you do, this cant be fun for the slower people. Setups help & practice helps, but not everyone has time to practice, or can obtain/make a setup that works really well for them.

Without a server or client side way to diferentiate between skill levels, you almost always wind up on servers where its not fun for everyone. Even with a system in place, how would you implement it? How would it work, License tests, or something to certify a set skill level with potential for advancement. Then servers can be set to allow/disallow license(s).

Afterall, not everyone races to win, and not everyone is a rocketman.. some people are called wreckers just because they are far enough off pace to be caught in bad places by leaders and get hit. Also, not everyone has the time to dedicate to being competitive.. I'm lucky as I've just found my niche, a few car/track combos I can compete on, other places I'm simply racing to finish and stay outta the way, So i realise how both sides can feel.

~Dark

Does not compute, Danger Will Robinson!

Quote from Jakg :

2 on the brake, 1 on the throttle - i still have the pedals (in bits, though, due to the springs breaking *again*) which you can buy if you want (although lord knows why you'd want them unless you want to use the pots for something - Handbrake perhaps?

I would be interested, as spare parts are always good parts to have lol, only problem I see, would be agreeing on a price, then paying 3X that amount most likely for shipping it across the pond

If its got 1 spring on throttle, is it an original 1 spring pedal, or a notched 2 springer?

~Dark

Quote from Jakg :

i had the Pedals EAT springs and just thought "sod it, i cba to get new springs every few weeks because sooner or later it'll break before a league race" and spent the "extra £50" (because i thought i could sell my stuff, bah, how wrong i was!) for a G25

Were you using the original small springs with 2 per pedal, or the later redesigned thick spring with 1 per pedal? When i first got mine it was thin-twin springs, and i notched the pedals and upgraded first time those broke to the redesigned thick spring, and haven't "ate" abnormally since..
Only have to change them once, maybe twice a year, depending on my racing activities.. I've always kept at least 1 spare set of 3 sitting around as well, so I've never had issue with that.. The only time it kind of pressed me, was loosing my clutch in practice for a league race, all I did was pop them apart tho, and slide a new spring in, loosing 5 minutes of warm-up time, no biggie..

~Dark

Quote from Jakg :

i used to use a Momo with ACT Labs pedals and the G25 blew it out of the warer

Im sure it does, but like many people in the real world, my income < my bills + desires.. therefore, the momo + act-labs pedals come in far more reasonably affordably..

I got my momo new )6 years ago( for $70, and a set of refurbished pedals from act-labs for another $65, in the meantime, ive spent a grand total of $22 on replacement springs, for a setup that feels as good now, as it did when it was new. I would say its been a well spent $157.. 6 years, and around half the cost of a g25..

~Dark

Quote from Dajmin :

I'd also love a G25, but can't justify the price. If I could, I'd use clutch and shifter for sure. I'd love to get a 3 pedal setup for my wheel, but I've been having trouble finding any.

http://www.act-labs.com/products/race1.htm

3 pedal setups, and gated shifters.. purchasable seperately..

I've personally had thier (now older) Performance pedals, and outside of springs breaking from normal use, they are awesome.. The best thing is for a few bucks, once a year I order a bag of spare springs and keep on trucking..

Thier newer pedals also have replacement/upgrade parts available..

I run a momo black, with the performance pedals, and the old act-labs gpl shifter.. a wonderful combo imho, and a hella lot cheaper then a G25.. The only thing I dont have is 900 degree rotation.. which, squirt squirt, aint affecting me none...

~Dark

Ive had S2 but a matter of days now, and I thoroughly enjoy the STCC servers.. in the UF1's, I've gone from noob to above average rapidly.. already about 40% into the second license level copper (?)..

I think these servers are a great way to refine your skills, and with even a semi-serious amount of dedication, advancement hasn't taken that long honestly, im under 2k total in game miles.. Also play around on drift servers a bit to learn finesse control, and drive quiet often on the SR fox/as club setup where I'm running low 1:01's.. Which is something I point directly at STCC for enabling me to do.. granted the UF1 and fox are far different cars, but you learn to find the boundaries, and push them to thier limits, its a confidence booster and can help out overall..

Secondly, I've recently dealt with SamH (I believe it was) about a rimjob noob wrecker on STCC in the UF1's.. I reported the person on the STCC website, with replay, and got a prompt email reply saying the guy had been banned before, and was now perma-banned.. only major incident i've ever had on his servers honestly..

Granted, every open/unrestricted server can get noobs, but typically people apologize, and learn from thier mistakes.. I can't even recall a single blueflag chat spammer on the STCC servers, as it seems the etiquette there is a notch above most servers..

On to the main topic however... No, I don't think the system should be applied across the wider spectrum, for many of the reasons stated above. It is a great system however, and one of the things that makes it great, is there is only 2 beginner servers, and most of the time they are near peak usage with great racing going on..

~Dark