I am not really interested about updates.

It is the strange manner we are treated with.

I think the majority of us are very polite in our posts.

So don't be afraid to speak about LFS.

This forum is here for that.

SPEAKING ABOUT LFS IS ONE WAY TO KEEP IT ALIVE.

Last edited by adirany, Fri, 2 Jun 2023 13:15.

Scawen, don't even think about closing this thread. That would be a big mistake toward your users.

As users we have the right to speak about things that matter to us.

What are you afraid off and what is this strange manner.

So guys fell free to speak about the actual state of LFS. What are your suggestions ?

Personally I think that releasing updates one by one is the right thing to do, especially when the team is so reduced.

Please don't compare LFS to assetto corsa.

I really think that there is a better simulator than LFS. This is Cruden Panthera.

But it is useless as it is right now.

Last edited by adirany, Fri, 2 Jun 2023 08:17.

Yes, MousemanLV, I agree.

And it seems that our poetic love for LFS is being destroyed by the cruelty of time.

The current state of LFS and LFS racers is pathetic.

Quote from ksa_land :

EDIT: For those interested: NASCAR racing 2003 just turned 20 years (too), and it provides great offline racing against the AI.

This is funny because nr2003 had the best simulation award by bhmotorsports.com that year. LFS was second.

These two are really all that we need. One for oval and the other for road.

Just did a quick comparison between the toyota celica gt4 1995 in nurburgring 2007 in panthera and the RB4 in westhill in LFS.

Well LFS is very good but this panthera is very very very good.

And the celica is just a mod.

I urge you to install it and try it for yourself.

Quote from Gutholz :

I remember a small sim "Racer" from a decade ago and had to check out if you really meant http://racer.nl/

Yes it is Racer but highly reworked out especially on the physics side ( a lot of bugs have been addressed).

The demo contains two cars. A formula student and a generic sedan. They are both excellent and you can race them. The driving is very natural and to be fair I prefer it to LFS. Really impressed.

The problem is the lack of cars and tracks and this makes it quiet useless.

Quote from Bose321 :

I've visited them a while back and tried some of their car, boat and F1 sims. Good stuff, they also had smell as a dimension in one of them. Can't say it felt as good as LFS at the time, but haven't tried since.

In such showrooms and demonstrations you don't have all control of the simulator. You can not configure everything at your liking.

Try for example their formula student. It is packaged with the demo (with some errors in the suspension and ride height).

Yes. It is a little complicated.

You can configure everything in the racer.ini file and every car has a car.ini file too.

Most of the cars and tracks are very bad so don't use them (they are from the Racer era). The combo mazda/melbourne is an acceptable one.

The cruden company are selling race cars and laser scanned tracks but only to professional race teams.

Last edited by adirany, Mon, 12 Dec 2022 10:17.

Did you ever heard about Cruden Panthera (aka Racer).

I tried the mazda mx5 in melbourne and I was impressed. I must admit that the driving is more natural than in LFS.

Can this be our true simulator.

Quote from TFalke55 :

it is ready when it is ready. I don't think there should be more hype surounding some holiday, when it already has been comunicated there won't be a release this year. Furthermore it has never been the norm in LFS to my knowledge to release something in a rough state.

But all of LFS is in a rough state.

This thing is still in beta, just look at the version number.

Quote from Xenix74 :

the same every Christmas

Yes but there is a difference here.

For us Scawen is not Santa.

As I said in another topic, for us Scawen is the messie. And if he does not change the water in wine from time to time we are all lost.

Yes, very good idea.

It is the moment of the year where Scawen can send us a sign that he cares for us as much as we care for his product.

Quote from Evolution_R :

Can we say that S2/S3 licenses can be looked at as DLCs?

For me good DLC practice is multiple cars / tracks as one DLC at reasonable price. Bad one is every new car or track as separate DLC.

The S3 license is having one track only (and one test layout added recently), but I think more things will be added at some point in the future.

The team being so reduced that would be a maximum of two cars and two tracks per year I guess.

LFS is not a game because something that links me so poetically to such beautiful machines can not be a game.

LFS is not a game because something that shows me the best part of me can not be a game.

LFS is not a game because something that teach me humility and honesty can not be a game.

Guys just imagine a quality made TCR car in LFS. That thing will destroy everything else.

And we would not say before and after the christ after that. We would say before and after a TCR in LFS.

No.

LFS is not a game.

LFS is a serious online simulator.

Last edited by adirany, Sun, 27 Nov 2022 15:02.

Just for comparison I did some races with the clio cup and honda civic btcc in portland in rfactor 2. The cars are excellent (despite being a little old) and the track is wonderful but I was just racing in a video game. The experience was just good enough.

I did some races with the XFR (which is also front drive) in westhill in LFS. And here the experience was not good or bad. It was real. And this for me is unbeatable.

Quote from Racon :

DLC is as much of a scourge as microtransactions and software rental, resting somewhere between extorting customers and gatekeeping.

If it were up to me, there wouldn't even be custom access - just a 'test build' flag that worked like the tweak flag, maybe requiring a setting on the server. Anyone could test, no gatekeeping or 3rd party backdoor DLC would even be possible.

Just IMHO, of course

As for quality, that is done and dusted already: If you only want top quality, only choose 'approved'.

I disagree with you completely. I am not bothered at all to pay for quality content twice a year. If the developers don't sell cars and tracks how the simulator will survive and keep its excellence.

As for mods they are all half finished. If the physics is good the sound is bad and if the sound is good the physics is bad. Such a waste of time.

What I want to say here is that with LFS we have a very good simulator, perhaps the best in town.

It is our responsibility to keep it safe from any mediocrity.

Last edited by adirany, Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:52.

Quote from rane_nbg :

If you ask me, even S2 licence has enough tracks and cars. No one so far has mastered all of them, let alone S3 and introductions of mods where sky is the limit. The collection of very good mods will increase over time, as people get more familiar and comfortable with lfs editor. Your idea is nice, no question about that, just that Scawen has something else in mind. I think we should just let him do as he feels and great things will come for LFS.

That is exactly what I said in another topic. We don't need a lot of cars but we need some modern quality cars.

How many of you would to race in tracks like oulton park or road america. But not in rfactor 2 or iracing.

IN LFS.

Quote from rane_nbg :

Are you forgetting about licensing? One can't just add a real car or track just like that, even if he could make a model of it from scratch to perfection. I'm quite against the DLC crap or making it into steam, then LFS would lose its identity completely which makes it so different from everything else with much larger dev team and budgets..

But in this case we will rarely see new cars or new tracks (apart from the obscure or fantasy ones).

No need at all to steam. LFS will stay as it is. And with money motivating things LFS will jump in the modern era.

Everyone of us can spend his time in others "sims". But we are all here because in LFS we find what we are all searching for: a true simulator in which we can live our passion of cars.

I agree that there are good mods.

But in general mods being produced by (amateur) individuals are lacking in some aspect or another (the aspect that the modder do not know, for example sound or physics).

I am really talking about professionally made cars that are excellent in all aspects.

I am talking about physics not graphics.

I can drive a white box if the physics is there. The converse of course is not true.

When I compare official lfs cars to those crappy mods, I say to myself that this guy (Scawen) must know a little bit about developing race cars (despite not knowing his formation).

LFS is the only sim where I have the feeling of being in a real track racing real cars. So it is a shame that such a thing is wasted in time.

I think that the system of dlc can save the situation. If we are willing to pay for professional race cars and tracks, perhaps the developers will find the motivation to produce them.

What if we begin with a formula vee and a laser scanned donington, Scawen.