I recently had a FFB issue with my G25 and am having it sent back to Logitech to be replaced with a nice new G27. However they informed me to send ONLY the wheel back to them I guess to figure out what went wrong or to use it for parts. Either way I am stuck with the pedals and the shifter etc. So now if I can find just the wheel itself, I will have a nice backup wheel just in case. If anyone can help me out, let me know here or via private message!

Thanks,

Tim

Session Number and sub-session: Session 15, Race
Lap of incident: Inlap
Time-code of incident: End of Race
Cars involved: 927
Brief description of incident: Exactly what wild said, no where in the rule book does it say this isn't allowed during practice. Was simply having a bit of fun...also if im not following the rules how do i keep finishing within the higher ranks of the field let alone the win in one of the sessions that we had.

Not exactly sure where you are getting off saying "lack of respect for rules, regulations, and administration that was exhibited in Session 1 which has reappeared. Also a general attitude which tends to go against sporting behavior" because I have done nothing but respect the rules and do my best to prepare for the race. If you could please give me examples of where I have made these mistakes besides session 1, I will gladly admit to them with an explanation.

I can understand frustration as half these practice races are under S/C more then half the race it seems and the 500 will probably end up the same way if people don't start becoming better drivers. But if you watch my driving...I NEVER purposely cause accidents...if anything i lose the draft frequently AVOIDING others bad driving to avoid an accident. However the expulsion of next years race too? Come on now....that's just over doing it.

But please...before you jump to such a harsh conclusion can you please let me know exactly what you meant within your statement....

Thanks

Session Number and subsession: Session 1, Race
Lap of inicdent: 20 something i believe ( waiting on replay to be posted )
Timecode of incident: ?? not sure what you are asking for here
Cars involved: 2 ( 927 and 23 )
Brief description of incident: Was simply catching up to the pack under S/C and I was rammed behind by car #23 causing me to spin under S/C...then was not allowed to pass back into the posistion i was currently in.

Tim Vecchioni
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was a decent event, thanks for hosting!

yea me too when is it? lol

LFS Username: vecchioni
Nickname: s2o²RaGs™
Country: USA
Car(FZR,FXR,or XRR): FZR i guess, maybe change this later? haha

Quote from Watson02 :

The only way you can make it into a Corvette would be downloading Tweak, or just not worry about a corvette, Go out and buy a corvette then you can feel the power of a corvette

I ride in one from time to time but simply don't have the money for one just yet. However until then I was just hoping I could try to mess with one if possible Screw RFactor!

I will have to retract my entry to this as I will be out of town this day. Sorry and goodluck with the event.

I am still new to LFS but I have done some searching as I am not new to forums and came up with nothing. Which car in LFS can be compared to a corvette and is there a set to make it run like one? I will worry about skins later but I am more worried about the set up of the car first.

Thanks

Race #1
- FZR
- 27 T. Vecchioni
- TBD

Last edited by VECCHIONI, Tue 30 Jun 2009, 00:58.

Quote from CSF :

*Unoffical posting*

There is one thing I still am not hearing from anyone. Why did he stay higher than normal?

This all feels very desperate and petty now. If anyone should get a post race penalty it should be car 302 for what happened with the two CoRe cars. All FM car's look eh? Really?

It's pretty hypocritical for someone who has posted in this topic talking about bad driving, when one of the more dangerous incidents that happened during this race was he drafting people when he had a bloody puncture!


As Deko has said NO car was entirely clean all day, not one of you at all. You were all pathetically agressive. I am not looking forward to going through all this, it will be an interesting challenge, and I guarntee you that there will be some unhappy people after.


Roll on 12 months so we can do it all again.

all im doing as of now was a great experience for me and i have been thinking about it and taking it as just that.

Quote from PMD9409 :

LMAO! No, that means if you are beside someone. Going faster than someone, while still behind them, is not overlap.

actually I do no see where it says what you talk about...I simply see where it says ANY measure.....

Quote from imaquad :

srry if i came off wrong, i wouldve probably done the same as 116 and expect you lower. as i had a DNF for the same reason this race lol. but ill learn now not to "expect" others on a specific line.

haha brandon yea sorry again about that...

just to goto the "rule book" on this incident with 116 and 123...

2. Conduct
a. Any Racer who causes an incident as a result of not establishing overlap, or by turning in on a car against whom they had no right, are expected to wait for the other car to pass them even if that action involves losing several positions.
b. Failure to follow this will result in a penalty.

regardless of whether he knew he was there or "expected" him to be lower...he should of waited til he KNEW. He did NOT know, therefor came down and caused the incident instead of taking his time even if it required losing time and positions. Which should result in penalty.

Quote from dekojester :

All people who are saying that the finishing block was illiegal seem to be ignoring the NDR Sporting Code which was ALSO in effect at the event, as it is at any NDR event.

In section VI. Overtaking, under Part 3 it details our stance on overtaking. I basically took what it said off of the Clean Racer's Club rules at the time, and pretty much any other series. Using this rule is part of the reason why there is no penalty for the finish.

Any racer who didn't know that the Sporting Code was in effect could be penalized under the knowledge of rules part of that document.

NDR Sporting code at http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... id=81783&d=1239164667

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2. Conduct
a. Any Racer who causes an incident as a result of not establishing overlap, or by turning in on a car against whom they had no right, are expected to wait for the other car to pass them even if that action involves losing several positions.
b. Failure to follow this will result in a penalty.

Does this not correspond to the Ronald incident?

3. Defending Position
a. You may move once per track segment (between two corners) to prevent an overtaking maneuver.
b. You may return to your line after that move. You may make no further moves to obstruct until the next track segment.
c. If a driver has attained any measure of overlap, you may consider your defensive maneuver to have failed and must allow room for that car on the course.

What exactly do you consider a measure of overlap? Maybe going 7-8 mph, faster then them? I am sorry deko, I do not mean to argue, but if this is how you are going to do it by the rules then please explain to me how they are following the rules stated...

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

qft.

disclaimer: I was really impressed by Vecchioni's driving all race long (until the last lap), and did have some issues with some moves Nolan made (though he did directly apologize for what I thought was the worst of them in his victory interview).

Well thank you. To clear up about racing, ive only done this for 3 weeks now ;-) so I am still learning. I watch racing all the time and its just respect for other drivers to race clean the ENTIRE race...just me I guess and everyone will have there diff opinions...id rather be safe and race safe then dirty and chance getting hurt.

Quote from FM-Failure :

Yep.
This is exactly the point where car 116 failed in lap 153 turn 3 taking out car 123.
Car 116 was *guessing* where car 123 would be instead of getting visual confirmation of being clear to go behind car 123.
By saying "car 123 could have driven lower" you refer to the "fm way" to drive best possible line - something you apparently found out cannot be expected from the drivers.

You hit that one perfect

Quote from troy :

And what's wrong with that? Everybody wants to win, and nobody is forced to make space on the inside, it was clear (at least to me) that they will take the inside line for the last turn (who wouldn't to be honest, after all it's the finish of a 3h long race and you've got the chance to win). Vecchioni tries to force his way through and gets caught out, his fault, unlucky, but still his own fault it's the last lap for god's sake nobody would open that line there (unless you're on an FM powered oval, they've got different rules there, which is fine of course).

There is simply a difference between clean and dirty racing. Watch EITHER of them the whole race, and then watch me, wild, havoc, or any FM guy and you will CLEARLY see what I am talking about. Yea they might of went 1-2, but I highly feel the official results should stay that way due to several incidents and careless driving throughout the race.

Quote from mcintyrej :

I've never really been big into indy car racing and the likes, but it sounds to me like a pretty good finished. To try and help this argument a bit, just from reading and not having seen a replay, I don't think the "block" was intentional.

You have to remember that Phil was also racing Nolan, and if he wanted a good run at him on the final turn and the exit, then staying behind Nolan through turn 2 was the best option - I'm not just saying that because they're my team mates, I'm saying that because its what I would have done and I suspect quite a lot of others too.

this will be most likely my last response to this dilemma, however like wild just said, if he was racing nolan and myself for the win and he was not teammates with nolan...no way in hell does he stay behind the car in front there. He would of passed him knowing that coming out of t3 he would be behind with the draft momentum and ability to pass... All there is to it is that teammates held a bottom line and blocked early in the lap when it wasnt necessary.

If you end up in 1st or 3rd after t2, thats where you want to be in a 3 car draft because thats who ends up in front...person in the middle stays in the middle. Thats how 3 car drafting works.

Bottom line is you know what you were doing by blocking...I would of still had a good chance if I held off til t3 probably avoiding your block out of t1. The thing is you let off the throttle while staying behind him and I was at the tip of my draft before pass...they happened at the same time and boom im in the wall. Whos fault is it? Well you are allowed 1 block per stretch and I guess that was your 1. However I feel you should be penalized for causing and avoidable accident.

Quote from PMD9409 :

I was battling him. I wasn't going to make a pointless move entering turn 2, and get behind the 2 of you. I also didn't want to be in the lead exiting turn 2, knowing I probably wouldn't be there when we pass the line. Just because you have a big draft, doesn't mean we are going to move over for you on the last lap.

The key word for this race was patience, and people kept saying to wait until the end before making the move. Making "the" move in turn 2 wasn't going to cut it, so waiting until the final straight seemed like the only plausable move worth making.

Just like wild said...you made that pass into t2 every other lap it was possible with your teammate or anyone else for that matter. I never asked for you or expected you to "move over" for me to pass you, obviously thats not a way to win. However by you not passing him and both taking the bottom line which was obviously on purpose, you let off the throttle to stay behind him causing my draft to force me into the back of you. You can clearly see that I pulled my wheel hard left to try and avoid you however like I said earlier the combination of you off the throttle plus my draft = wreck.

Also 5 or so laps before the last lap, I went into t3 with the lead and held the bottom and you guys were not able to hold line with me. My plan was to do just that again, however I was never even given the opportunity let alone I never was going to be given the opportunity even if I did not spin out when I did. What you guys did was planned, and unfortunately it worked. Sucks for me, but then again hopefully justice will be served.

Watching the replay and experiencing it first hand, I will just go out of my way to start a commotion that you 2 had no intentions of passing eachother or "battling eachother" the rest of the race. You took the low line knowing I couldn't pass you both on the outside, let alone maybe even pass one of you. Whether you consider that blocking or not, I do. And it is wrong in my books. You simply were doing what you had to do to win the race and so be it you did, for now. However By you letting off the throttle to stay behind your teammate, it caused me to run into the back of you instead of making a clean pass on the inside of you. That is why it looked like I had all that speed drafting behind you but really it was a combination of you letting off the throttle and me drafting you. However you wanna look at it, really its not up to us to decide so good race and I am very pleased to of been in a spot to win and look forward to being there again next year.

good race to all, sucky finish for me.

"It's not recommend to go out drinking the night before and come to the track sleepy or hungover. A sleepy or hungover driver is a dangerous driver."

I knew I would do something wrong...

just hope this is being recorded so i can watch it after

goodluck to everyone racing!