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Quote from Scawen :Thanks, I do have an SSD and a very fast, quiet computer that I am in no mood to update at the moment when everything is going well. I don't mean 'fast' like an up to date PC but it boots up faster than any computer I have seen, opens programs in fractions of a second and compiles my code very quickly. It's one that Victor built for me several years ago and I have upgraded the SSD, OS, RAM and graphics card (a few times). It's relatively quiet as the CPU has a passive heat sink (no fan).

Good that you have at least an SSD. The way you exemplified an HDD and previous few things you wrote suggested to me (and others as well) that you were using some very old system. Plus it's not just me who got that impression. People were almost about to crowdfund you a new PC.


Quote from Scawen :So, nexttime, there's not really a need to suggest I am some kind of an idiot not to put a lot of money and time into a super duper new PC with the latest shit operating system that keeps updating itself for no reason and loads of noisy fans. I'm happy with the computer set up that I have, which is the very reason that I have it.

Didn't really say that in any of my comments. Didn't tell you to upgrade your operating system or put fans in your pc either.


Quote from Scawen :Also, nexttime, it's obvious you have no idea or understanding of the disruption caused by the oversized, awful music mods with hacked engine files you were obliquely referring to. They were pretty bad, and little good other than the quick laugh of a cheeky fool. It was spreading like a virus, so more so-called 'modders' started uploading engine files with music. Anyone with an SSD or perhaps a slower internet connection, doesn't really want dozens of updated hacked mods downloading and sitting in their LFS folder just so some goon can giggle at the disruption they are causing, so really there is no need to defend it.

I didn't talk about the mod itself either, I even specifically said "I am not about the mod argument."

Try being less defensive and you will understand what people are actually saying. You'll annoy yourself less as well.
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Quote from nacim :blabla

Uninteresting flaming & has nothing to do with what I said. nexttime understand what you read, and then try to provoke. If you claim to have understood what I said, point out specifically where I said "LFS should aim to be the shiniest".

Quote from Gutholz :That seems oddly specifique. I searched for "30 MB" to see what it was about and found this:
So it was not about hardware requirements at all.

"Did that mod with edited wheel values actually cause disruption, sore ears, excessive HDD usage when used online?"

I am not about the mod argument, but just the arguments like this gives the impression that he is using some legacy system and has wrong perspective on what most people have. The opposite of when you got a hammer every problem is a nail.
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What surprised me was he was worried about some 30mb being moved on an harddisk. What is a harddisk? Is that, that clicky noisy heavy box from the past, which is used today to mostly store backups? Or the large games you don't play? Large as in, over 50gb.

He needs a modern PC and to try a modern game to have a different perspective from mid 2000's that currently seems to be engraved in his mind. Someone who can't buy a PC better than that won't be able to buy LFS either.

And you could test how optimized it is on a high end PC. You don't need to develop it on an ancient artifact to have an optimized code. Plus, HDD's are extremely slow. Add up a few seconds of waiting everytime you move something. This would add up to hours in a short time. Even SSD's feel slow nowadays when you move bigger files, compared to NVME's.

If people are surprised about the daily logs, it shows me that they don't even know how game development works. You stitch up everything knot by knot. And the knots you stitch somewhere else may mess up the previous knots you already made.

That also makes it clear why people are suggesting "improvements" that are actually their personal taste, like "My favorite app doesn't work after the update. Now I want it in the current version." The app that is probably used by less than ~10% of the players.

That will at least make people realize that it is a bit harder than they think.
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Quote from Scawen :Well, I can't do it - you know what I am busy with. I wondered if Victor might be able to consider some of those features, but I can't speak for him on that. I know he is interested in things outside LFS at the moment. He of course keeps things running but he doesn't have much time developing new things for LFS right now, after spending a lot of time on the mods system last year.

The problem is when people make suggestions they think you copy paste the code, and voila, LFSlazy integrated.
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1000hz is really interesting. It will surely spark some interest among sim youtubers as LFS afaik will be the only sim operating at that frequency.

Whenever I used LFS to teach how to drive to someone else, they usually suffered motion sickness, especially when they were doing maneuvers in an open field possibly because the image "jumped". I am guessing this will be fixed with the update since difference between 17,17, and 16 is a lot smaller than 2,2 and 1.

Screen manufacturers are also chasing the magic number of 1000hz monitor refresh rate, so it will be a bit of future proofing as well. Running LFS on a 1000hz monitor at 1000 fps and 1000hz physics rate would be the smoothest gaming experience.
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Quote from Scawen :Hi, thanks.

Yes I was wondering about a locked thread. Though I do like the feedback and community interaction, so it would be nice to have it open for replies.
So I was wondering if the thread could have a big red warning at the top that any random posts about the developers rate of progress, etc. would result in post deletion and instant forum ban?

It's harsh but there are a few crazies about and it's probably better to keep them out of conversations! Big grin

But yeah, maybe a closed one could be interesting and at least it's safe. I'll think a bit more about it, if the next experiment brings any decent results I'd like to report.

I know that talking about the development progress and exchanging ideas is motivating. Just simply put a warning in the first post, and ban such people from the thread. Contributing & positive attitude people will stay, while those who disturb the environment will be able to look but won't be able to touch.

Forum ban would be too harsh since those people, despite dragging the thread into a collection of useless whiny comments, do care about LFS. If you only ban specific behavior instead of trashing the whole thread, they will be careful since this time only they will be burned. Not having a chance to do the same stuff "in the next one".
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Quote from HighSpeedGarage :Why would you write something like that if you don't understand the real situation?

A) Games should be outside politics
B) How can the FLAG of a certain republic offend someone?
C) My relatives living in Donetsk have been subjected to constant artillery shelling for 8 years. My cousin died. Please check the information before writing such things.

Peace to all, **** the war.

Your point A disagrees with your point B and C. (And C is basic Russian propaganda)
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Not sure why it cut the exact part I mentioned but link is there anyway.
War propaganda through mods
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LPR is Russian supported seperatist region in the territory of Ukraine. User added its "flag" and abbreviation on the right side of front license plate. Essentially doing covert Russian war propaganda.




GM_SST_ADAL 1600 (version: 1)

Submitted by: R-to
Details page: https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/F1FEE3


I would just report this silently but wanted everyone to see what some people are doing.
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These are really itsy bitsy, but it's starting to look like a children's paint book. I get that when event is getting close the countdown changes color, but I don't see any reason to color the number of people in the server. IMO just brackets and same color was fine.

And for it to be dynamic, couldn't you make the .exe self-click on refresh every x seconds, just like how it works when user does?
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Quote from Scawen :Email is a possible option, though we have learned recently that some people simply do not check their email at all regularly. Would an SMS notification help? As a separate option.

SMS would work better but each to his own. It'd work even better if it was simple. Though I think the whole idea will make a marginal difference.

Like "Remind via [SMS] [MAIL]" buttons on LFS.exe next to each event - Not too long before the start so that they won't say "Alright Ima check in 20min" and forget again. I know there's no space there right now, but maybe the name of the server near join button isn't needed.

Wait there's space near signup button. Duh Rofl
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Looks like PP shader should be turned on by default in LFS. Colors just look too washed.
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Quote from timdecnodder :It wasn’t meant in sarcasm, we started the season with 11, dipped down to 7, and now back up to 10 drivers, so for me it’s a step back into the right direction today. Hope the new system brings even more drivers to participate

I know. Just reminding that pretty much 95% of LFS users haven't installed the patch, so it should be better once updated
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Quote from timdecnodder :On a side-note, MRc RX champ was back up to 11 competitors, hope everybody enjoyed the broadcast, competing and helping to run this series with me, on to the next one in 2 weeks on a custom blackwood Config

It's yet a test patch. Expect results when everyone updates and not just the few on forum.
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There could be a default "LFS Events" image for leagues which don't/haven't set an image yet
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Quote from Scawen :
Victor has added some new features too. A special page for each Round, and organisers can now upload an image for each Round (aka Event). If they don't do that, then it uses the Season image as before.
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I liked the previous version better. This looks bit cluttered. Why doesn't clicking the "upcoming events" just refresh it? Or why doesn't it auto refresh every x minutes? I thought that's how it worked the whole time. Imo a thin border line encompassing each event's area including the image would be better. Without those dark accents.
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Quote from Scawen :Thanks. I'm hoping it could be in a test patch in a couple of days.

Now that the focus is on league racing and streaming, what about making high res skins freely available for everyone? You have free global server service even for demo users, S3 users have all those great community made mods, but they need to pay for community made skins. People who paid couple euros for skins in the past won't be mad at the devs for making it a free feature. You talked about using the triangles in relevant areas to make the cars look good, but then most users see cars with skins in low quality. I believe there's also reluctance in making great skins because of this.

1e for 2000 skins isn't the issue. People don't care to add balance to view other people's car skin in full detail, in the end its LFS that looks bad. It's noticeable in the streams.

You could still keep the low res skin feature as default for the case of low end PC's and even introduce higher res skins than we currently have. And still keep the warning about performance impact when changing the setting.
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Quote from Scawen :Thanks for the feedback.

That looks really nice and clean. I'd maybe make sign up and join buttons bigger and more inviting, but not at the cost of breaking the minimalistic and clean look. For later improvements I'd suggest each event being clickable and showing more details in a new page within LFS. Like details about previous races, cars, winners, points etc.

Simbroadcasts are doing a good job. Maybe in that unused line you could link to the live broadcast of the event if and when there is one. People are more interested in joining when they realize its streamed and even commentated. And it tends to create a better racing environment as well as help the streamers. It also gives a chance for demo users to see what is in S3. If they see the live stream, all those mods and want to join in on the action, there you go. Easy Demo to S3 incentive.

I don't know if the event will be in the list while its on, if it is, you can put a little red "LIVE!" text next to the link of the stream.
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To reduce clutter, or to add something more useful instead, I think Organiser line is redundant since they put it on title or in the image most of the times.

I agree with local time zone. You could easily tell someone about your time zone and the event time, instead of UTC time zone and UTC event time, so it doesn't change much except makes it easier for you when it is your time zone at all times.
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Quote from MrWave :So i tried to figure out how to work with inSim and realized, that it can work by automating chat commands (/pitlane {name} and /setlaps{name} {laps}) through insim. But that would work if we knew the amount of laps a person completed, which I can't figure out how to do mid-race. Can someone, pls, help?

You can just use car reset and configure it to add a drive through penalty for everytime it is used.
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Quote from mbutcher :...

Your reply is the forum equivalent of changing the rim size of an already existing car and pretending that you made a new car.
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The best way to increase attendance would be to put them on the main menu of LFS.

Second best way would be to add an extra menu to LFS beside Single Player, Multiplayer etc.

The main screen is quite empty anyway, there's quite a bit of space there. I know LFS main menu isn't made to be dynamic, but extra menu could probably do the job.

And if you see an event that you're interested in, but lets say its 2 days from now, you could have "remind" option that brings it to main menu. You could even register through there for an upcoming event.

This way everytime you open LFS events are there. You don't need to check your email or social media. And it'd make it much easier to remember to attend.
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Don't like mods?

Don't use them.

#End of this useless and bad faith thread.
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I wonder why regular garage/pit screen does not have the 3D view with zoom in out added?
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In the post I didn't see anything about a filter so I naturally assumed they just wouldn't be visible at all.

But what if reviewers try to approve of a mod that is very fun but just not what "approved" would stand for? Who makes the final decision on this, staff?

And should there be a need for the modder to send it again for approval, after reviewers approve it and staff is ready to approve it as well? Modder may just forget to send it again for all I know. So imo it could be reviewed by staff and approved without another urge from the modder, just like Staff's Pick, which I assume is going away.
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