New replay attached, just for reference/fun
new replay of reverse driving and a chase (of course there were multiple fails and I got caught in the end, just for a minor mistake in choice of road.....)
http://www.mediafire.com/?hercktcrkecoa8s
Epic Chase starts at 2 min 38 sec, another one at 31 min 55 sec. Check it out XD
new replay of reverse driving and a chase (of course there were multiple fails and I got caught in the end, just for a minor mistake in choice of road.....)
http://www.mediafire.com/?hercktcrkecoa8s
Epic Chase starts at 2 min 38 sec, another one at 31 min 55 sec. Check it out XD
Oh sorry lol, I thought you know :P
Hey Rocky7up, haven't seen you for quite some time too, been racing? Miss you guys too......
I have been on cruise servers lately, but I don't really online that often now, preparing for university you know........
BTW your FOX set is as great as ever, never used a set better than yours
(I really mean it)Because I did it and I told him that......in private messages though.......and yes DieselDodge where did you get the FZ5 lol.......
I have yet to reinstall my LFS so I cannot look at your spr at the meantime.....reverse driving is actually a lot of fun if you know how to master the car......AND you can overtake people in reverse when they are driving normally. Unfortunately driving like this is not very popular right now, so there aren't specific servers for such drivers (such as me). You can try visiting some cruise servers to reverse drive but do remember, if you screw up you must apologise, else you could get banned. I nearly got banned as they think I did it on purpose.....but it's so fun I couldn't help doing it again and again :P
setupgrid is the easiest way to get good sets.......but after that you can only rely on your own skills...and even though you may have similar lines with the WR holder it doesn't really mean you can achieve his time with the set he used....
For one version you can adjust the turbo pressure and engine configuration to get the best out of it........litre, cylinder no. and V/inline/flat, and the turbo pressure. These combinations can creat laggy turbo cars or great turbo diesels.....(oh yeah XFG turbo diesel, sounds like a canal boat, revs like a truck but goes like a rocket XD).....
P.S. You need better English.
P.S. 2. And a better attitude...
There is a way I can help you. When exiting garage, press ALT+F4 for turbo spool up. Type /exit for extra boost pressure.
The turbo speed tweak is to tune how your turbo spools up. You can have a very laggy one or one which spins up quickly.I tried it and it is great fun, ..........but anyway my point is LFS is best not to be tweaked, and if you want to discuss about mods and tweaks I advise you to NOT do it here. This is for discussion of the original z28 LFS game.
There is actually working tweaks for both Z and z28........the one for z is a bit simpler but allows you to add turbo to cars like xfg and xrg........for the z28 one i am using now allows you to tune specific things like turbo spin up speed etc...........as for vob mods, there are sources for it but it should not be disclosed here, as well as the z28 crack.
Using tweak online is impossible since you get auto banned. However, it is a joy when coupled with 70 degree steering lock and fully locked (not 20nm, but 2XXnm central diff locking) 4WD and at least 700ps........
Don't ask where you can get these because YOU WON'T GET IT.
LFS is a simulator. Not your simulator. The cars are best left what they are and the point of LFS is to enjoy driving and sharpen your skills.
Using tweak online is impossible since you get auto banned. However, it is a joy when coupled with 70 degree steering lock and fully locked (not 20nm, but 2XXnm central diff locking) 4WD and at least 700ps........
Don't ask where you can get these because YOU WON'T GET IT.
LFS is a simulator. Not your simulator. The cars are best left what they are and the point of LFS is to enjoy driving and sharpen your skills.
The replay is just for reference
I know there are lots of people much better than me out there. Feel free to check the replays on the first post too. They are just to show how it is driven.Can somebody kindly youtube these replays for me? My old computer cannot get more than 20fps on LFS alone.......
Then it's time for you to eat your medicine. You are getting off topic here.
What is the point of you post if you don't look at the title before you click into here? It's a thread about driving your car in reverse just like anybody driving forward without being too slow.
Shouldn't it be raising the antiroll on the rear be oversteer inducing?
Haha!! I see why you are so skillful. You are very good, smooth racing line.
What is your problem? He made a lap, possibly the world record. Can you do it? I bet you can't even reverse a full lap without spinning. If you can't do it then please shut it. Learn to appreciate others.
Good work J.D.SKAlpel, I still can't match your laptime. You really have very good car control.
Well, The best I got to on XRG in reverse on BL is 1:48:XX.......1:44 is very hard to achieve even going forward....you sure you set a 44 in reverse?
Enclosing is that 6 laps of BL action, but skip those forward going laps. they are for tyre warming or screw ups =.=
Also enclosed is a series of lap of me in FZ5 reversing.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ndn2nmtgmgz
Feel free to ask questions.
Enclosing is that 6 laps of BL action, but skip those forward going laps. they are for tyre warming or screw ups =.=
Also enclosed is a series of lap of me in FZ5 reversing.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ndn2nmtgmgz
Feel free to ask questions.
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Well, I am going to try set a lap on a BL GP tmr so that you can have a look at it. For sets, i suggest you ask logitekg25, he is a hell of a set maker.
Don't worry about English. I will understand as long as you have the basic words
Don't worry about English. I will understand as long as you have the basic words
Heya~ Logitekg25
I totally understand your kindness of trying to give back to the LFS community. Don't give up because somebody says you are on another purpose. Support~~~
BTW, don't forget to add your good reversing set...........
I totally understand your kindness of trying to give back to the LFS community. Don't give up because somebody says you are on another purpose. Support~~~
BTW, don't forget to add your good reversing set...........
lol what's it with single worded questions these days?
BTW can somebody convert those replays into videos for me? I don't have the machine powerful enough to get a working video.
BTW can somebody convert those replays into videos for me? I don't have the machine powerful enough to get a working video.
you need help on reverse driving?
I do not understand your question AndroidXP. Please ask in complete sentence. Thank you.
The Official Stunt Driving - Driving In Reverse Thread
Well lately there has been quite a few people interested in reverse driving, and i think it would be better to put up a tutorial, not because i don't want to answer their question but because I always disappear in the middle of anything. It's just a compilation of comments in the previous thread, grouped into one tutorial. If you are not interested in reverse driving, um.........there's a more interesting thread somewhere in the forum. So, here goes:
Lesson 0: To start cracking, first get some speed in forward, and then pull the handbrake until you did a 180 and you car rolls in reverse.......remember to straighten the steering at the moment your car is backwards, else it would just do a 360..........oh, and remember to turn off clutch help......that wears out the clutch in seconds
Lesson 1: For reversing view i use the wheel mode and press R and go.........at first i use the 3rd person view and wait for it to look from the front of the car to the back, but later i found out it's hard to determine the actual slide angle (or generally speaking how the car is/is going to behave). If you can make a custom view that sets the view in reverse, that's fine. However, I would just like to point out one advantage of using the look back button is that you can always see what the rozzer is going to do or where he is..........one major disadvantage is when you let of of the button, you could accidentally steer the wrong way........
Lesson 2: How to control the car
Now, as the car is now rolling backwards, any steering input would be reflected in an opposite and magnified way. This is due to that the inertia of the rear end of the car would focus on the rear wheels. In normal cases (going forward), the weight transfer to the rear is good as you have the front wheels dragging the car to change direction, resulting in a better steering stability. When reversing, the extra load on the rear steering wheels could easily overcome the tyre's grip and the car will experience oversteer.
Car Dynamics: (Warning, the following guide is only applicable to RWDs ONLY. FWDs are a totally different matter)
To control the car, besides steering left to go right, ANY STEERING HAS TO BE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. Any excessive lock would cause your car to spin. One common problem with any reversing sets (at least with mine) is that it would start to understeer a little half way through the corner (e.g. devil's corner/drifter's corner in TC Montana).
You can cure this by giving it more lock PROGRESSIVELY or indeed give it more gas (usually what i do to catapult out of a corner) to transfer more weight for more grip. Not every situation can be countered by this technique but with the right speed, there shouldn't be the need to apply for brakes mid-way through a corner.
Update: from experience, I think you need to center the steering a little after the apex, or mid corner. This can vary greatly with suspension setup, but for my FZ5 I usually start center my steering when approaching the corner exit, and give appropriate opposite lock depending on situations.
When offroading (etc grass/sand), pay extra attention to the difference of grip between tarmac and grass, it can greatly steer the car when accelerating. Give it a lot more lock when cornering on grass.
Pay attention to the engine layout of the chosen car for reversing. FRs have their engines up front so it is easier for them to overcome rear grip. MRs have quite perfect for the job, the RAC being most used by Mr. P and god he's quick through the corners ( we both agreed after so many races and cruises : top speed is not important. It's the fun and speed it can dish out in corners which matters.). RRs would be then FFs when going forward so its handling is likewise.
Here's an extra Tip: ALWAYS RESIST THE URGE TO GIVE IT OPPOSITE LOCK when the car starts to spin. After the rear has slid more than the point of no return, which is only a little more than normal steering angle, any opposite will not only NOT save you, but it would make you spin faster. Do a proper 180, drive forward, and do a 180 to reverse again.
FWDs handles like RWDs with no steering up front and soap as tyres in the back. The above guide does not apply. The sets are so dangerous and suicidal that i am not bothering to write a guide for it here, not because i am lazy (acutally i am :tilt but it's that no one is gonna make a set for FWDs anyway........personally i do not suggest people use FWDs for reversing.
Spinoff: Reverse drift.
It's not really what you expect. More like oversteer, a reversing RWD can only do little drifts like most FWDs, mostly momentum induced. It's not hard to initial a oversteer, but it's hard to control it. So one tip i can offer is to go a little faster than you normally would, turn in as you normally would and then delay the time you start to give it opposite lock. That would let the car slide a bit and it would look like a car oversteering from behind.
Best car for reversing? I believe it is either the FZ5 or the RAC, but in the end, it all depends on the driver. Mr. P controlled his RAC so well even with less top speed than mine he could outrun me a few hundred meters.......and the tuning is also critical.........
Best improvement award?? that has to be awarded to the UF1. Lovely.
What car to stay off? FXO.
tip: 4WD aren't the best drivetrain to use in reverse driving........the 4WD system would seriously wear down the performance and cornering is not exactly as sharp as the other 2WDs
tip: start with a XRG.......easy to control, hone the skills, then progress to faster cars.........uf1 is good too, partly because it has the least power but also its handling has improved DRAMATICALLY when driving backwards
tip: reverse driving quite often get you into chases. Although PITs are no good to stopping reverse drivers (just get into 1st and roar away XD) , your car will eventually get damaged. Damaged camber/suspension on a reversing car is very dangerous. The car can oversteer beyond any control, so if you car is damaged, go forward. Unless of course if you want your car to end up somewhere you don't want it to go.
And finally...Here's 2 mpr of my reverse cruising (and running)
Please Skip the first 1-2 minutes in Reverse 1........
Reverse chase fail << the name means there are other cars to put things in prespective.
For my first successful escape replay, look for Saito-Reverse Cruising.........the replay was quite old you see.....
Reverse 1:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tz5mt2dzzdn
Reverse 2: (Escape failed in the end)
http://www.mediafire.com/?yzynldzhwk0
My first successful escape on reverse set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ttmdmzmmjmz
25/2/2012 update: Wow havent visited forums for a long long time......new replay of reverse driving and a chase (of course there were multiple fails and I got caught in the end, just for a minor mistake in choice of road.....)
http://www.mediafire.com/?hercktcrkecoa8s
Epic Chase starts at 2 min 38 sec, another one at 31 min 55 sec. Check it out XD
I have also decided to make my private XRG reverse setup public, so that everybody can try getting the o.O reaction when you pass somebody in reverse. Note: please practice offline first and please try not to crash into ppl~
http://www.mediafire.com/?72r23ev4ie7wnoz
I may upload more setups for other cars later, depending on whether ppl actually want it.
Hope this tutorial guide can help. Cheers
Black★Rock Shooter
Lesson 0: To start cracking, first get some speed in forward, and then pull the handbrake until you did a 180 and you car rolls in reverse.......remember to straighten the steering at the moment your car is backwards, else it would just do a 360..........oh, and remember to turn off clutch help......that wears out the clutch in seconds
Lesson 1: For reversing view i use the wheel mode and press R and go.........at first i use the 3rd person view and wait for it to look from the front of the car to the back, but later i found out it's hard to determine the actual slide angle (or generally speaking how the car is/is going to behave). If you can make a custom view that sets the view in reverse, that's fine. However, I would just like to point out one advantage of using the look back button is that you can always see what the rozzer is going to do or where he is..........one major disadvantage is when you let of of the button, you could accidentally steer the wrong way........
Lesson 2: How to control the car
Now, as the car is now rolling backwards, any steering input would be reflected in an opposite and magnified way. This is due to that the inertia of the rear end of the car would focus on the rear wheels. In normal cases (going forward), the weight transfer to the rear is good as you have the front wheels dragging the car to change direction, resulting in a better steering stability. When reversing, the extra load on the rear steering wheels could easily overcome the tyre's grip and the car will experience oversteer.
Car Dynamics: (Warning, the following guide is only applicable to RWDs ONLY. FWDs are a totally different matter)
To control the car, besides steering left to go right, ANY STEERING HAS TO BE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. Any excessive lock would cause your car to spin. One common problem with any reversing sets (at least with mine) is that it would start to understeer a little half way through the corner (e.g. devil's corner/drifter's corner in TC Montana).
You can cure this by giving it more lock PROGRESSIVELY or indeed give it more gas (usually what i do to catapult out of a corner) to transfer more weight for more grip. Not every situation can be countered by this technique but with the right speed, there shouldn't be the need to apply for brakes mid-way through a corner.
Update: from experience, I think you need to center the steering a little after the apex, or mid corner. This can vary greatly with suspension setup, but for my FZ5 I usually start center my steering when approaching the corner exit, and give appropriate opposite lock depending on situations.
When offroading (etc grass/sand), pay extra attention to the difference of grip between tarmac and grass, it can greatly steer the car when accelerating. Give it a lot more lock when cornering on grass.
Pay attention to the engine layout of the chosen car for reversing. FRs have their engines up front so it is easier for them to overcome rear grip. MRs have quite perfect for the job, the RAC being most used by Mr. P and god he's quick through the corners ( we both agreed after so many races and cruises : top speed is not important. It's the fun and speed it can dish out in corners which matters.). RRs would be then FFs when going forward so its handling is likewise.
Here's an extra Tip: ALWAYS RESIST THE URGE TO GIVE IT OPPOSITE LOCK when the car starts to spin. After the rear has slid more than the point of no return, which is only a little more than normal steering angle, any opposite will not only NOT save you, but it would make you spin faster. Do a proper 180, drive forward, and do a 180 to reverse again.
FWDs handles like RWDs with no steering up front and soap as tyres in the back. The above guide does not apply. The sets are so dangerous and suicidal that i am not bothering to write a guide for it here, not because i am lazy (acutally i am :tilt
but it's that no one is gonna make a set for FWDs anyway........personally i do not suggest people use FWDs for reversing. Spinoff: Reverse drift.
It's not really what you expect. More like oversteer, a reversing RWD can only do little drifts like most FWDs, mostly momentum induced. It's not hard to initial a oversteer, but it's hard to control it. So one tip i can offer is to go a little faster than you normally would, turn in as you normally would and then delay the time you start to give it opposite lock. That would let the car slide a bit and it would look like a car oversteering from behind.
Best car for reversing? I believe it is either the FZ5 or the RAC, but in the end, it all depends on the driver. Mr. P controlled his RAC so well even with less top speed than mine he could outrun me a few hundred meters.......and the tuning is also critical.........
Best improvement award?? that has to be awarded to the UF1. Lovely.
What car to stay off? FXO.
tip: 4WD aren't the best drivetrain to use in reverse driving........the 4WD system would seriously wear down the performance and cornering is not exactly as sharp as the other 2WDs
tip: start with a XRG.......easy to control, hone the skills, then progress to faster cars.........uf1 is good too, partly because it has the least power but also its handling has improved DRAMATICALLY when driving backwards
tip: reverse driving quite often get you into chases. Although PITs are no good to stopping reverse drivers (just get into 1st and roar away XD) , your car will eventually get damaged. Damaged camber/suspension on a reversing car is very dangerous. The car can oversteer beyond any control, so if you car is damaged, go forward. Unless of course if you want your car to end up somewhere you don't want it to go.
And finally...Here's 2 mpr of my reverse cruising (and running)
Please Skip the first 1-2 minutes in Reverse 1........
Reverse chase fail << the name means there are other cars to put things in prespective.
For my first successful escape replay, look for Saito-Reverse Cruising.........the replay was quite old you see.....
Reverse 1:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tz5mt2dzzdn
Reverse 2: (Escape failed in the end)
http://www.mediafire.com/?yzynldzhwk0
My first successful escape on reverse set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ttmdmzmmjmz
25/2/2012 update: Wow havent visited forums for a long long time......new replay of reverse driving and a chase (of course there were multiple fails and I got caught in the end, just for a minor mistake in choice of road.....)
http://www.mediafire.com/?hercktcrkecoa8s
Epic Chase starts at 2 min 38 sec, another one at 31 min 55 sec. Check it out XD
I have also decided to make my private XRG reverse setup public, so that everybody can try getting the o.O reaction when you pass somebody in reverse. Note: please practice offline first and please try not to crash into ppl~
http://www.mediafire.com/?72r23ev4ie7wnoz
I may upload more setups for other cars later, depending on whether ppl actually want it.
Hope this tutorial guide can help. Cheers
Black★Rock Shooter
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I would like to add something to logitekg25's suggestion. The anti roll really affects how your car behaves. Softening it would give you more body roll but more grip. Hardening it would liven (e.g. the rear suspension) the rear. In words, harder anti roll in the rear means more slide angle, but the front also needs to be hardened to prevent you from spinning.
I am a die hard lock diff fan so my opinion is not accurate.....
Hmm. Gear ratios. Normally a drift set should have a lower than default final drive, and the 3,4,5,6 gears should be closer. This is to give you more revs (and also more power) to play with when drifting.
Brake balance. I advise you to leave it as normal. Once you get more familiar with getting sideways, try to tune the brake balance to be more rear-biased. You would then be able to brake and slide into a corner.
I am a die hard lock diff fan so my opinion is not accurate.....
Hmm. Gear ratios. Normally a drift set should have a lower than default final drive, and the 3,4,5,6 gears should be closer. This is to give you more revs (and also more power) to play with when drifting.
Brake balance. I advise you to leave it as normal. Once you get more familiar with getting sideways, try to tune the brake balance to be more rear-biased. You would then be able to brake and slide into a corner.
I am mouse user so in theory i can go from lock to lock faster than the 2 other forms. No money no wheel /.\
Cornering speed really depends on how much guts you have and how much grip you have. More guts, more grip = faster. That's why i take most corners slower than i would if i were racing with Mr. P. ...........I hate barriers.....
I love rozzers chasing me, but once my camber is damaged too much i will go forward. Damaged camber/suspension on a reversing car is very dangerous.
Vid. card said it's had enough. Going to be inactive for quite some time.
Cornering speed really depends on how much guts you have and how much grip you have. More guts, more grip = faster. That's why i take most corners slower than i would if i were racing with Mr. P. ...........I hate barriers.....
I love rozzers chasing me, but once my camber is damaged too much i will go forward. Damaged camber/suspension on a reversing car is very dangerous.
Vid. card said it's had enough. Going to be inactive for quite some time.
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Opinions and thoughts most welcome
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those are LFS replays..........you have to use LFS to open them
put them in LFS/data/mpr.......start the game >> go to replay >> select replay
put them in LFS/data/mpr.......start the game >> go to replay >> select replay
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