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...I dont know if this is true, but i also read that the test is changing slightly too. There are adding night driving and motorway driving. ill try get a source(sure it was newspaper)..

No motorways up my way so that wouldn't work in this area

Only been on a motorway twice and never had any problems/worries.

Even had a police car come tearing up behind me, tailgate me in the fast lane, then had the cheek to flash his main beam at me... moved out the way and he took off like a bat out of hell. No blue lights flashing... Then about 15mins later he was parked up on one of them patrol hills with a speed gun.

The one thing that definitely should be at least covered in a few lessons is driving in the dark. The amount of people who have no idea how to drive with cars coming in the other direction is insane. Every night I get stuck behind someone who has to slam their brakes on every time a car is coming the other direction. Do they not realise they should look towards the verge/kerb rather than directly into the headlights of oncoming vehicles...

The obvious solution is for everyone here to pool ALL our money, take out a multi-billion dollar loan, build a miniature city in (x) location, and invite anyone to live there, but they can't unless they pass a driving test - and we'll be the driving instructors.

I maintain that generally, only fairly intelligent people with a good deal of common sense can drive at a level that would satisfy our standards, which would likely lead to less crime, and a greater overall level of intelligence. There would be no lawyers, or Britney Spears's or EVEN an member of the Bush family - I hope. It would be like a perfect world!

Actually, maybe not, as there'd also be NO teenage girls, or people over 65, or children under 15, or...

Quote from Stang70Fastback :

No, they have less grip, which is WHY people go slower on small roads. On the highway, you don't expect to have to brake hard for any reason, or even swerve. On a small road, as you guys mentioned above, there is a lot more to look out for, and going 60 mph on a wet road ensures that if you have to brake hard, you're going for a wild ride. IMO it's not aquaplaning that people worry about, it's braking... which I think makes sense. At least I THINK that's what they're thinking.

just today i did more than 60 on a country road in the night without any icidents and so diid everybody else around me
not even my mom in the back complained

she did freak out a little on the autobahn though

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Hmm. If you're one less Nova with a front wing on the roads, then this new legislation has already proved its worth to me.

haha

No way would i ever buy a piece of crap Nova kev, i hate the things

When i said cosmetics, i did'nt mean things like bodykits. I have just put some new alloys on it to replace the M3 ones, replaced a missing brake duct on the front bumper, got a slight scratch and minor dent fixed on the rear bumper, and some other things along with DVD/Sat-Nav/CD unit, 2 subs, speakers and K&N induction kit ...

I've gone abit mad really, but theres still alot more modding to be done But dont worry, theres not gonna be no bodykits, HUUUGE spoilers or nothing like that. All my focus is on engine and interior now.

What kind of car Mr French?

Quote from Shotglass :

just today i did more than 60 on a country road in the night without any icidents and so diid everybody else around me
not even my mom in the back complained

she did freak out a little on the autobahn though

Well then good for you. I did 30 on a road with a speed limit of 35, and went into a turn that was unexpectedly wet, slid over the line (oil mixed with water I guess?) and clipped the rear end of a pickup going the other way. Had I known the road was wet, I'd have gone even slower around the turn, but the fact remains that I was going UNDER the speed limit, and yet I had trouble because of the wet road.

99% of the time you can go 95 on a straight, flat, perfect wet road without issue, but that ONE day, there will be something in the middle of the road, and your tires will not be able to bring you to a stop that quickly in the wet.

Funny, usually it's people telling ME this stuff on this forum because they see my age and immediately start assuming I don't know anything...

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

I have just put some new alloys on it to replace the M3 ones

The clue is in bold...

Quote from Bawbag :

What kind of car Mr French?

97 P reg M3 (E36) Convertible. Estoril Blue.

I have had to put it on my dads insurance policy for now though, as it would cost £8k a year to insure it myself (which is understandable! :tilt. I will have it on my dads policy for a year, and then take it on myself.

ask your driving instructor about pass plus, you might get some money off your insurance!!

http://www.passplus.org.uk/

Quote from Raybrig :

ask your driving instructor about pass plus, you might get some money off your insurance!!

Already tryed that in a quote, hardly changed the price. Only went down by about £100.

ouch!!! only just read what car you got!

The pass plus lessons should be included as standard, wet weather driving, night driving, motorway driving. Then they need to reduce the cost of the advanced driving schools, the ones that teach you what to do when your car gets into a slide.

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97 P reg M3 (E36) Convertible. Estoril Blue.

I have had to put it on my dads insurance policy for now though, as it would cost £8k a year to insure it myself (which is understandable! :tilt. I will have it on my dads policy for a year, and then take it on myself.

Are you freaking nuts? I mean this in the bestest way possible but, I hope you crash. Getting a M3 for a first car is like signing your own death wish....

Quote from mcgas001 :

Are you freaking nuts? I mean this in the bestest way possible but, I hope you crash. Getting a M3 for a first car is like signing your own death wish....

Cheers for that...

Its always nice to hear someone wish you crash.
Just curious, but why would it be my death wish?

I have been doing Mini racing for close to 3 years now, in a 265hp mini. Now, im not saying im the best driver in the world (not by far) but when racing, i can think ahead of how the car will react if i do this/that so in return, i have gained experience. Maybe not in city driving, no but i would know how to TRY and save a car when losing control. Sure, stepping into a RWD M3 will be a completely different league, but im not an idiot. I have enjoyed my fair share of fast driving when racing, and when i do pass my test, and get in my car, im not going to be a ****ing idiot, chucking it round corners thinging im king. If i ever did want to see what the car would do, i would take it to a track day. Other than that, i would drive sensibly. Im not saying i wont thrash the car now and then, but i wont do it in busy streets or anything of that kind of enviroment. I dont want points on my licence, and i love my car too much to risk wrapping it round a tree.

So, thanks for the nice comment Mcgas, i will think differently of you from know on. Just remember that because someone has a powerful car for there first car, does'nt mean there going to instantly act like a dick and drive like a twat.

Its a BMW M3, if you dont want it for speed, what do you want it for? Showing off? Im not saying your an idiot and never will but im saying, a BMW M3 for a first car is nuts. You may have drivin a racing car for 3 years with 265bhp etc etc, but thats a bit different then getting in a 300bhp+ RWD bmw. you dont have no where near the space to save a spin on real roads today. I know a lot about RWD bmws due to my brother owning enough of them, In the wet you may aswell not drive one. If you do, get some tractor tyres...

I obivously cant sit here and tell you what to get and do but im giving you my personal opinion of you getting a BMW M3 for a first car. Theres also other facts, Fuel? Why the feck do you want something that drinks more fuel then a plane if your not gonna drive it fast?

I just think its stupid thats all..

Also you can think of me how you want, Everyone has a personal opinion. Were all just online people to each other, You think im a **** thats fine by me..

I did'nt buy it for showing off, nothing of that sort. I bought it for a few reasons, but the main ones were. 1. Price. For its condition, and the miles it has done, it was going VERY cheap. Spec was good for the price too. 2. I love the E36 M3's, especially when its a estoril blue convertible, so i had to buy it. 3. Fuel is not a problem. Wont be a struggle to pay for it. 4. Did i not mention the price?

About driving in the rain, i know there a pain in the rain. I have driven and been in a few RWD BMW's in the rain, and as long as your not driving like a madman, there just like any other RWD car in the rain.

So, to answer your question, i did'nt buy the car to show off. I bought it because i had the money on me, and that i love the E36 M3.

To be brutally honest, the price was a little high...

Quote from The General Lee :

To be brutally honest, the price was a little high...

Well maybe, but for its condition (MINT apart from the mark on the rear bumper...which is sorted now) and the mileage, i thought it was going pretty cheap. I may have exagerated with the "VERY" though

edit: maybe we should put this back onto the original topic.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

edit: maybe we should put this back onto the original topic.

This IS on topic, Its about people getting stupid cars and crashing them. So the age has to change..Sorry if you find that offiensive, but its reality, Sadly.

Wow I'll feel cool now cruising my Nissan 240SX around and thinking Nathan is driving his M3.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

I have been doing Mini racing for close to 3 years now, in a 265hp mini. Now, im not saying im the best driver in the world (not by far) but when racing, i can think ahead of how the car will react if i do this/that so in return, i have gained experience.

Well, be careful. It's not a matter of "I'll just give it some on this quiet road, just this once" - you don't increase the odds of surviving a crash by crashing less often.

I only knew of one kid who had a sports car for his first car - his dad bought him a Porsche when he passed his test. He died in that Porsche a few months later.

I don't know whether he was an especially good driver, I only met his brother, who's won the british rally championship a couple of times.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Well maybe, but for its condition (MINT apart from the mark on the rear bumper...which is sorted now) and the mileage, i thought it was going pretty cheap. I may have exagerated with the "VERY" though

Yea, only just Considering you could of got a...

BMW M3 3.2 Evo, S reg Registered Sept 98 , Oct 08 MOT, 6 Speed manual gearbox, Coupe, Petrol, 31k genuine low miles, Metallic Fern . Full Black Vader M-Sport Leather no tears or holes, Aircon\Auto Climate that works, On board computer system , Remote Central Locking, Foglights, Full electric pack, Lots of Receipts, New Front tyres fitted ,Rear pilots as new,Full scorpion cat back Stainless Steel sports exhaust sounds great, all 4 OE BMW Disc's & pads fitted within last 10,000 miles.

For the same price

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Well, be careful. It's not a matter of "I'll just give it some on this quiet road, just this once" - you don't increase the odds of surviving a crash by crashing less often.

I only knew of one kid who had a sports car for his first car - his dad bought him a Porsche when he passed his test. He died in that Porsche a few months later.

This is excatly what ive been trying to say...

Quote from The General Lee :

The clue is in bold...

I recently replaced the GSI alloys on my corsa with aftermarket ones, my Corsa is not the GSI model.

I see lots of none M3's driving around with M3 alloys on them, some even having the M3 badge stuck on their next to the "316i".

Since he was talking about this BMW as his first car I assumed (Quite rightly, how many under 20 year olds drive M3's? :/) That his BMW had the M3 alloys as many others do.

Nice car but as others have said, it's practicly a ticking bomb in the hands of anyone, never mind a new driver.

Mooney, I didn't it to sound like I was pointing out the obvious. I know how people put higher spec wheels/bumpers/etc onto their cars. I didn't want to say his car is a so-and-so, so I just gave you a nudge in the right direction as I knew what car Frenchy has.

Sorry if it came across the wrong way, thats a forum for you...