I find the FZR a point-and-shoot style of driving... I find it hard to get into certain corners with it. The XRR allows me to string together a decent rythm.

That said, I'm no slower in the FZR than the XRR...

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So now I see the confusion because that is exactly what I have done. D'oh me. Just do some self editing, the rest of it makes sense.

Dear Funnybear u did confuse the cars (and us)

FXR = front engined, AWD, turbo
XRR = front engined, RWD, turbo
FZR = rear engined, RWD
(see the attachments)

As for the original question, to my understanding it refers to the handling of the cars in ideal situations (we all know that the FXR is slower than the XRR, which in turn is slower than the FZR)

Under this point of view, the FXR is by far the easiest to cope with

Quote from ajp71 :

By driving off pace and all over the place you're not experiencing the limits and behaviour of the car when driven correctly, so the top drivers will have a different issues and handling charateristics.

Well, I've never said any different. But you seem to be saying that anyone that isn't within 1-2 seconds of the WR time doesn't have a right to express an opinion about how the cars drive. I just don't believe that to be the case.

Also, you're completely ignoring driving style, a big factor in how different drivers perceive the handling characterstics of different cars. If you're an aggressive driver, late braking and agressive turn in you're going to find a car which suits a smoother drivers style slow to respond and will most likely complain about front end grip and turn in speed. Whereas the smooth driver is probably going to say the agressive drivers car is tail happy and too twitchy at the front. In each others prefered car they are both likely to be somewhat off the pace. Does that make their opinions invalid? not IMHO.

I never said anyone didn't have the right to express their opinion, only that their own experience, and thus their opinion, may be different as a result of the pace they are running.

Quote from gezmoor :

Well, I've never said any different. But you seem to be saying that anyone that isn't within 1-2 seconds of the WR time doesn't have a right to express an opinion about how the cars drive.

No one's saying that... it's just that only when you really push them (within a WR second for example) then you can really see how do they behave on their absolute limit and which one is harder... and i agree about the driving style thing.

XRR

FZR purely because it and I dont agree, and thats why i love it.

Guys, the cars' limit is also set by the setup. So no, you do NOT have to drive within the 1-2 sec range off the wr in order to get the feeling of the car. Not everyone is using a wr setup (and shouldn't do if he just wants to see the fundamental characteristics of the car).

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Guys, the cars' limit is also set by the setup. So no, you do NOT have to drive within the 1-2 sec range off the wr in order to get the feeling of the car. Not everyone is using a wr setup (and shouldn't do if he just wants to see the fundamental characteristics of the car).

Just about to say that.

Personally i think set-ups in the game are a bit of a cop out.

I never use them, can't be stuffed to put the time in to make a good one, but i know people on here seem to love them, even though, imo, it gives an unfair advantage.

Quote from migf1 :

Guys, the cars' limit is also set by the setup. So no, you do NOT have to drive within the 1-2 sec range off the wr in order to get the feeling of the car. Not everyone is using a wr setup (and shouldn't do if he just wants to see the fundamental characteristics of the car).

I absolutely disagree.

With a decent setup it's just in the driver's hands to enter in bench times (103% of the WR). A WR setup just give you the final tenths, but it's the driver the one that pushes the times to a WR pace.

In my experience offline, I find the XRR hardest to drive on the limit. It snaps at me like a very angry crab. The turbocharger doesn't help either, as even if the lag is very minimal now, it makes things much worse for me to time a proper acceleration point. The only good thing that the XRR has is it's good looks. *whistle*

Quote from RocksGt :

I absolutely disagree.

With a decent setup it's just in the driver's hands to enter in bench times (103% of the WR). A WR setup just give you the final tenths, but it's the driver the one that pushes the times to a WR pace.

Sure, but what does this have to do with the question which of the 3 GTR cars is the most difficult to drive?

FZR

Quote from Forbin :

I never said anyone didn't have the right to express their opinion, only that their own experience, and thus their opinion, may be different as a result of the pace they are running.

You'll get no argument from me about that.

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Personally i think set-ups in the game are a bit of a cop out.

I never use them, can't be stuffed to put the time in to make a good one, but i know people on here seem to love them, even though, imo, it gives an unfair advantage.

Hmm, I dont really want to wander OT but i have to address that.

How is it an "unfair advantage". The fact that you don't want to use a decent setup or cant be bothered to make your own means your certainly at a disadvantage, but unfair it ain't.

It's hardly a cop out to want the car to be faster and handle better than it does by default is it?

*Disclaimer: Following text is based on opinions which may or may not be wrong and is not necessarily based on any facts.*

For me, FZR is the easiest. Fast down the straights, strong braking performance and huge grip out of the corners. Although it requires alot faster reaction to oversteer than XRR, you can quite easily drive it near the limit and won't have to worry about spinning.

XRR is far more "entertaining" to drive as you can quite easily push it over the limit and lose alot of time recovering from that. It loses to FZR in corners due to longer braking distance and slower corner exit acceleration. On public servers this often means that you'll be spending alot of time building sandcastles because people keep bumping into you.

Could have voted for FXR since I can't drive it, but that's just due to me being stubborn and disliking the whole concept of 4WD GTR car.

all the three! I mean, i am not able to cope with understeer under braking.

Quote from The Moose :

Hmm, I dont really want to wander OT but i have to address that.

How is it an "unfair advantage". The fact that you don't want to use a decent setup or cant be bothered to make your own means your certainly at a disadvantage, but unfair it ain't.

It's hardly a cop out to want the car to be faster and handle better than it does by default is it?

Yeah, agreed. That was a bit of a bizarre opinion.

FZR is easier to drive up to the edge but beyond that.. you cant catch it, as I say: a$s on the wall... (and tires fried)

Whist XRR is hard to get to edge but when you loose it you can catch it - thats my impresssion.

XRR is little difficult than FZR, FXR is the easiest of three for me.

Quote from gp4racer :

all the three! I mean, i am not able to cope with understeer under braking.

Yea, understeer in a straight line is a killer!

Quote from Bawbag :

Yea, understeer in a straight line is a killer!

Quote from Bawbag :

Yea, understeer in a straight line is a killer!

I personally can't stand the oversteer I have when sitting in a pitstall, it really just makes my mind go "EGADS!" trying to counter it.

Quote from The Moose :

Hmm, I dont really want to wander OT but i have to address that.

How is it an "unfair advantage". The fact that you don't want to use a decent setup or cant be bothered to make your own means your certainly at a disadvantage, but unfair it ain't.

It's hardly a cop out to want the car to be faster and handle better than it does by default is it?

ok unfair probably wasn't the best word, i'd liken it to the swimming in the olympics these days, people are using some new streamlined ultra sleek suits to resistance is minimal, only thing is they cost alot of money, so not everyone can afford them.
Now using them isn't against the rules, but i would say it's against the spirit of competition.

Same with the set-ups, using them isn't against the rules, but not everyone has the time to get into it, i feel it's kinda against the spirit of the game.
That's why i'd like to see a "force x setup" option for online races.

sorry to go ot