Quote from gotspeed :

the abs and brake is the abs module its been checked and its 1,500$ for a 30 day warranted remanufactured one. im sorry but i think i know how to pump my own brakes.

wat

Quote from Shadowww :

Well game can determine where you are looking using TrackIR or your webcam, don't think it will be any precise though.

That's only your head too. Most of the looking around is done with your eyes.

It's not inconceivable though that in the next 10-20 years we'll have eye-tracking software. Especially if displays start turning towards twin-screen goggles for true 3D.

Quote from gotspeed :

think of it like what you would call a hot hatch 200hp v6 rwd 4 speed.

200hp v6?

Think of 480hp V6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VR_engine

Quote from george_tsiros :

wat

http://www.bba-reman.com/conte ... ABS_module_rebuild_repair

as in it thinks your sliding so it runs the pump and lets up on all the brakes and you don't slow down. its a common problem and the last i checked they made cars with out abs and people where able to drive them just fine. so unless you want to give me 1k us to have it remand theres no reason. i have driven it for the last 3 years in 6-12 inch snow falls and rain and ice with out a problem. it was scary enough the first time it happened going to stop and pushing the brakes and having the abs pump kick on and run till the fuse blew for it and then all 4 wheels locked up till the car was turned off. this was around 70,000 miles. we put a new fuse in and at 5mph it still just pumped then just locked up, so we pulled the fuse and its been fine since and the truck has 130,000 miles on it now.


yet again this will probably be another thing that never happens in a lfs race. having a brake line fail or a caliper drag and over heating the brakes. should it be in lfs maybe, maybe not. lfs seems more like a arcade game with realistic handling

uh
you have no chance to outperform abs, not because you don't have the ability to do so, but simply because you don't have that much control with your single foot pedal.

why do i think that you have no idea what abs can do?

also, what kind of argument is that people were able to drive cars without abs? cars didn't have lots of things in the past. that doesn't mean shit.

Quote from george_tsiros :

uh
you have no chance to outperform abs, not because you don't have the ability to do so, but simply because you don't have that much control with your single foot pedal.

why do i think that you have no idea what abs can do?

also, what kind of argument is that people were able to drive cars without abs? cars didn't have lots of things in the past. that doesn't mean shit.

abs is a luxury to have on a car that makes it easier for any normal person to be able to just hold the brake to the floor and control the car it doesn't stop it any faster then a non abs car but allows the driver to keep it in control. between pumping and locking the brakes you can come to the same controlled stopped but you need to know how to handle it and remain calm at the same time. before the abs went out there had been times where it would go 200 feet on ice and not slow down much at all because the abs was going to light on the brakes. a program in a computer no mater how smart it is can not match a intelligent human behind the wheel. it can't change based on what is around. snow locked up wheels work better it builds a berm up in front of the wheel and the snow will slow the car down better most of the time then rolling on top of it.

your just like all the people that got in to huge wrecks when abs first came out thinking that it would save them no mater what. that is the wrong way to drive with abs. it can only stop you as fast as the surface your on will allow.

abs didn't save one of these guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx4y5Q9q3dQ&NR=1
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC6GIbg9tvo

words go wasted with people like you, but someone else might "get" something so i will try to say it.

abs is not a luxury. it can do things the driver can not do. you may try to come up with cases where the abs might be fooled and that in some special case stopping distance might be shorter with locked wheels, but in reality it is seldom clear if you would be better off with locked or unlocked wheels . what you have constructed in your mind about what will happen when this and that happens... is very rarely met in real life.

i've driven cars with and without abs. on track and on the road. that didn't teach me much.
i've driven on snow gravel mud oil water ice. that didn't teach me a lot either.

i've attended (and paid for) driving safety and car control seminars. that was when i understood what it means to have abs and what you have to do to even try to match abs in realistic driving conditions. and even then it can not be enough.

abs is a life saver and if you think you can do controlled braking when that time comes... you are grossly overestimating the abilities of man. not you. man.

you might ponder stuff before hitting the brake... last time i had to brake because i saw something get in front of me, i didn't even understand when my foot went to the brake. i didn't think about it. i reckognized the obstacle to be a dog after i braked.

if someone understands what does this mean, even one of you, i'll be very pleased.

also showing me a bunch of moronic drivers isn't an argument for or against abs or anything. these guys you see would be as dangerous with or without abs as they would be with or without a steering wheel.

sorry but i don't ponder stuff when i hit the brake. when i am behind the wheel i am driving im not on my cell im not looking for hot chicks driving around me. 100% of my focus is on driving the car. partly because driving a short wheelbase sport truck it gets away from you faster then a longer car like our impala.

last winter i was coming back from my gf's house about 15 miles away from my house. from about 5 pm till 2 am it was some of the worst icy snow/rain for. there was areas that were 5 inches of snow that was slushy and there was areas that were just wet snow that froze and was all icy. freeway traffic was doing 10 mph and i saw about 6-7 cars in the ditch some i would say where totaled people in brand new trailblazers and Cadillac escalades. one guy came out of a enternce on to the freeway and just kept in the turn all the way around under the bridge and in to the ditch on the other side of the road he had just came off of.

well i as on my way home around 12 at nite most of the roads i was on where just ice. after about 4 miles there was just slick spots and you could do more then just 10-20 mph. so as im doing 35 in a 45 going over a bridge they had been working on for the last 2 years every thing was ok till then. the road between normal street and the bridge was about a 3 inch tall bump that when my truck hit it the back tires both came off the ground (due to the bump stops hitting) and also due to the slop of the bridge the back end started to come around to the right, so my very first instinct was keep the gas steady, turn to the right right a little and hold it till i can regain control safely. i went from the front of my car pointed at 12 oclock to pointing between 9 and 10 o'clock after about 60 feet or so the super slick bridge was pass me and was just on a semi slick road and could recover the slide with out incident. the only other guy on the road was behind me about a quarter mile or so and after watching me i guess felt it would be a good idea to slam on the brakes when he saw the bump at the bridge that wasn't there a week ago. hitting the bump with abs locked up his tires and threw the car in to a quick spin and he ended up backwards sliding in to the rail on the bridge almost facing the wrong way on a divided highway. abs for the normal idiot gives them the idea that if they just push really hard on the brakes it will make the car stop under complete control.

i was going to a robotics meet in a car pool where one of the other students parents where driving and it was much of the same weather all the roads where icy and snow and cars in the ditches. for about 20 mins of a 1hr drive every time she pushed the brakes the abs kicked in and gave you that kicking action on the peddle and she would release the brakes and push again every time till she stopped. i finally got to the point where i told her just hold your foot on it when it does that its the abs kicking in you don't need to pump the brakes its doing it for you. and she had no idea that, that was what was happening. abs is for the normal every day driver that doesn't want to learn how to drive or become a better driver just wants to get some place. if you drive as if you don't have abs you are every bit as safe if not safer then some fool that thinks b/c i have abs im safer on the roads.

70-0 on dry roads is only about 120-140 feet, in that distance there isn't much your going to do that abs would help you accomplish that you couldn't do your self. its only in rainy, snowy, icy roads that abs comes in to play and its only a last ditch effort by the car to try and save you.

blah blah blah my truck blah blah LFS is arcade blah blah I could make a better LFS in half Scawen's time & effort with a hand tied behind my back
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Quote from Breizh :

blah blah blah my truck blah blah LFS is arcade blah blah I could make a better LFS in half Scawen's time & effort with a hand tied behind my back
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all the comments like this you guys bash on scawens coding ability more then i do. you think with how good of a game he has made he can't make a little more realistic smoke effect. i think its more he doesn't reason how much of a in pack it makes on the racing.

Quote from gotspeed :

if you drive as if you don't have abs you are every bit as safe if not safer then some fool that thinks b/c i have abs im safer on the roads.

what the hell kind of an argument is that?
equating the safety of someone who relies on abs... with the safety of someone who ignores it?

you don't understand that you, as a human, can not do what abs does, do you?

you still haven't understood what abs can do.

when you do (if you do)... we can talk again.

Quote from gotspeed :

a in pack it makes

seriously now, are you dyslexic?

Quote from george_tsiros :

what the hell kind of an argument is that?
equating the safety of someone who relies on abs... with the safety of someone who ignores it?

you don't understand that you, as a human, can not do what abs does, do you?

you still haven't understood what abs can do.

when you do (if you do)... we can talk again.


seriously now, are you dyslexic?

no i am comparing someone that that drives like a fool on bad roads to some one that drives like a sane person that is able to look at the eneverment around them and drive to match situation they are in. ie, driving normal speeds thinking that abs works better then i could ever push the brakes so i can do 40 in a 40 on ice and i will be safe because i have abs compared to some one doing 20 in a 40 on ice because they don't have abs. both will stop in on ice but the abs guy going faster will take longer then the guy driving to suit the conditions.

as for the dyslexically yea i am you want to start picking at me for that now?

and as for saying i could code better with my hand behind my back where at all did i say i could code it, or that i could do it better then any of the devs?

Quote from gotspeed :

as for the dyslexically yea i am you want to start picking at me for that now?

hell no. if you are, it can maybe, possibly, explain the skewed view you have on some things. having a condition that impairs your learning abilities, even by a tiny little, is not a laughing matter.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

Yes, this is something the look of LFS could really benefit from (and is already implemented in pretty much every racing game I can think of from the past 5 or 6 years). Doesn't need any calculations, just a second texture that comes in once the wheel passes a certain threshold speed.

I'de rather them not work on some stupid blur which no-one needs and carrying on improving the physics.
THEN sand down the edges, lfs wouldn't benifit from it in anyway other than your need to look at the wheels.

Quote from gotspeed :

all the comments like this you guys bash on scawens coding ability more then i do. you think with how good of a game he has made he can't make a little more realistic smoke effect.

Quote from gotspeed :

how is it that one guy with 3d max or what ever can render his own car and realistic smoke. yet after 4+ years 3 guys working on a sim can't get smoke right.

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i think its more he doesn't reason how much of a in pack it makes on the racing.

Or that you're totally mistaken on what the priorities are.

Quote from george_tsiros :

hell no. if you are, it can maybe, possibly, explain the skewed view you have on some things. having a condition that impairs your learning abilities, even by a tiny little, is not a laughing matter.

for me its mostly writing and spelling. reading ever now and then but its more has to do with badly written sentences. to go as far as saying it impairs learning i wouldn't say it does make it harder to learn by normal standards. i can't understand something by reading it in a book or on paper you give it to me and let me work on it and 5-10 mins later i can tell you how and why it works or doesn't.

Quote from Breizh :

Or that you're totally mistaken on what the priorities are.

every time smoke affects are brought up its the response lfs isn't a screen shot generator. thats why i fear they don't want to add any amount of smoke, sparks, flame affects to the sim.

Your fears and rants are baseless and you're too thick to understand it, even when it's been explained to you 10 different ways.