VicePresident of Russian Duma (Parliament) Vladimir Zhirinovsky threatened with IIIrd World War saying it is in fact decided thus anihilating of Baltic states and Poland is to happen...
...now we know why, when heavily armed caterpillar tracked "humanitarian convoy" entered from Russia into Ukraine... Next assault as in Georgia case.
I think the colors could be switched - with WC2018 in former Soviet block and half of EU going bankrupt from overtaxation looking like circus of oddities
I must say I don't get it...
Why do you guys got tempted
When you come from the land of plenty...
Theoretically it looks like that, there are different political cultures - those of scarcity and those of oppotunities.
Dessert (and also postcommunistic economies of total scarce) cultures are cultures of scarcity of life-depending goods. It is enough to watch the doc movie about administering water in the oasis. The thing is quite simple: if you don't get water - you will starve and die. Of course there is big tradition of hospitality towards voyagers (everyone can be a voyager at some time in the dessert) but the main purpose of power is "distributing water". It usually applies to all sides of conflicts in Arab countries - no matter who is in power he will try to snatch all the water and deny all the opposition.
There is another culture in Europe - Europe had always a lot of resources but it was always overcrowded. So the way to deal with that was complicated system of ranks deciding how to divide resources - maybe you don't know but at the castles service positions were more specialized than in nowadays corporations: there were different positions for serving wines at the table and different for strong beverages. The XIX century was the apogee of this strict construction of roles which fell during WWI.
And there is culture of new lands. As owned by nobody (at least from Europe) it was open to opportunities - that's why it was written in US Declaration of Independence as a Right to Pursue of Happiness.
So I really don't get it...
Why do you get tempted by proving who is only power in the dessert
when you come from the land of plenty
Do you come from the land Down Under...?
I think you are getting dementia.
First, it was your citation, which I described as facts:
Second, your further citation in that post is product of imagination. There is coverage of those riots showing that it could not happen as there was no direct clash between sides. One were inside, others on the street.
Today, Putin at press conference said that if Ukraine can restore order within borders of Ukraine then it is just to assume that Russia can restore order within Ukraine's borders also. :doh:
Russia will take every necessary step of course and do everything within its power to settle the situation. I can understand the people in southeast Ukraine, who say that if others can do what they like in Kiev, carry out a coup d’etat, take up arms and seize government buildings, police stations and military garrisons, then why shouldn’t they be allowed to defend their interests and lawful rights?
As for whether proposed measures suit Russia or not, we are not a party to this conflict; the parties to the conflict are in Ukraine itself. We were told repeatedly that our forces by the Ukrainian border were a source of concern. http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/7143
I think that says it all with Russian troops already in Crimea.
"The fighting in Odessa escalated Friday when supporters of Ukraine's government tried to clear an encampment of Russian sympathizers on Kulikovo Field Square, burning their tents. Pro-Russians took refuge in the trade union hall on the square. Gas bombs thrown by both sides could have triggered the fire."'
As old Indian said, when you sit in loghouse don't throw fire on those outside.
Actually it means you didn't read the link - in Poland we know both totalitarisms and in fact don't differ them much as they are not different at all.
Not to mention taht it could be the case.
Current Quantative Easing is like Prozac treatment for the depressed. So the investors would have some optimism to invest and maybe wind up economy thru stock exchange indicators.
Meanwhile Europe looks like long term Meth Addict.
It takes a lot of Social, a lot of Cohesives, Agriculturals, it hears voices all the time... And now it wants needle shot to get some energy from drug dealer... When the drug rate is lowered then deep collapse happens like in Greece and rehab is enormously painful.
I am not posting a link for this report, ( forum rules and all ) it is on the Global Research site with the heading "How Neo-Nazi Thugs Supported by Kiev Regime Killed Odessa Inhabitants. Photographic Evidence"
It is not a nice viewing but it is clear evidence that most of these people were murdered, then it was covered up by the police. That Yahoo link above makes more sense with this information.
as you also cited - BOTH sides were throwing smoke bombs or molotov cocktails.
I am not surprised that it was the house not the street that was set on fire.
Good to see AndRand, who supports these Neo Nazi's has clearly forgotten this.
And Poles also didn't forget that all ANTI-NAZI members of Polish Underground State were accused and sentenced usually with death penalty or long prison on those nonsense accusations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proces_szesnastu
Plus several dozens thousands in Poland.
That was extremely filthy while those people fought with Nazis during the whole war - the only state without collaborative government and which provided Secret State structures with limited functions.
I think this makes me laugh harder. I don't bother even to look up any figures, but the world has known for a long time social standards in northern Europe are really high.
Yup, especially Portugal, Hungary, Poland, Czech, Spain...
I don't want to make you laugh even more when I tell what is minimum wage here and minimum income per person (for social security).
Dunno what you are trying to say here, anyways. I was trying to make clear to mister 'God will land in america' that some other places might have things better organised.
Social state doesn't mean "better organized". It means - there is sh!tload of government spendings, totally non-elastic in case of lower budget incomes, which are so much politically dependent that are one way road - and only growing. Any try of changing it a bit means people on the streets.
Again, I don't see any point here. Anyway, if what you said would be the thruth, great job from Russia to protect the inhabitants of states they have given away or formely were a part of Russia.
hello!
Maybe you don't know, but Netherlands was under German occupation during WW2. Do you want them to invade them again to back your local bandits, if they wanted to?
hello!
Daniel, I have to admit some statements made me giggle...
pff unsure whether it makes sense to answer..but here we go.
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It's that the US dollar is in a highly risky position and highly dependent on things that are not so visual, it's like magic. Currency markets, the role for a currency in the world and investments in a currency is more what I meant. Things like that The Netherlands is the fourth largest investor in your currency to keep it valuable. If China would pull the plug, you're gone. So oil transactions currently going in Dollars is important to your country and they are willing to start 'wars' to keep it that way. In other words they are not respecting the sovereignty of those countries.
That magic is called "world currency" - many have tried, but there is none apart. You can also not accept gold as valuable metal, there is no reason of not that rare, and not that useful metal to be valuable - (ie. Incas used lot of gold because it is shiny but didn't value it as soft crap). But apparenty it is perceived as valuable, that's the same magic.
Another problem is that your country has a more than extreme national debt which kills value of your earnings.
Let me put it differently. The US's national debt in 2010 est. was 14.6 trillion us dollar, which was 92.7% of your Gross Domestic Product.
This is called "financial leverage". If you have steady income you can have leverage. If you stop having income leverage will eat you. As it ate Greece, where GDP (and budget earnings) are 30% lower after 6 years of consecutive recession.
Small graph about child poverty in between..
Yes US' poverty is way worse than it is here.
That made me laugh! Really.
How come third of those countries' citizines above US would like to emigrate to US???
Maybe because these are "national poverty lines" - different in each country
The best here would be to urge you to look up facts, cause your last sentence here was the only one making sense. In fact, your healthcare system was so oldfashioned, Obama came to The Netherlands and called our healthcare system one to be an example for the world. ( I disagree )
I indeed don't understand why public healthcare and other social spendings are to be markers of high civilization societies? In fact, they are extremely costly because they append to everyone with no cap on spendings. There is no limit you can spend on healthcare because there are always new ways of treatment that should be used. And their cost is only growing due too technology. And they are developing huge interest groups of beneficiaries providing those services under public decisions to be made
And the reason is only one thing: public healthcare gives insurance for people without income (that also vote). And that's it - it could be organized mostly on private insurance (while I pay even more in taxes than I would on private insurance with in chosen limit) and in fact many countries (including mine) will not have other choice than to mix private and publice insurance. They can't cope with such big spendings.
This is shouted by the Ukraines every day. A big part of the people want to belong to Russia, so let them instead of stiring up the shit there. Go away! Solve the problems in your own country first, the huge crime rates, the overfull prisons and prison crimes, the highest percentage of the pupolation behind bars. Make sure if a city is washed away by a tornado, the so called 'richest country in the world' don't need a million years to give those people a sandwich.
FYI, Russia just implemented the law saying that any citizien living in former borders of USSR or tsar Russia (it means up to river Vistula cutting half of Poland, with vast part already taken - Belarus and part of Ukraine is within Poland's borders from 1939, Finland, Baltic states, Transnistria) can apply for Russian passport.
And Russian constitution says that Russia has right to military protect any of Russian citizens, anywhere where they live.
And for that moment, Ukraine do not have even promise of distant future membership in EU. Please, don't say US should not help if EU won't.
38 killed in fire of trade unions house in Odessa when pro-Russia terrorists-separatists set it on fire. There are also reports that they were shooting to people inside. http://www.theguardian.com/wor ... -5363e97ae4b08e5e93d23f6e
(edit: following reports change the picture - it was not a creepy assault but kind of mutual damage, with pro-Ukrainian demonstration next to trade union house populated with separatists: both sides were throwing molotov cocktails and apparently the house, not the street, was set on fire.
My deep grief to those who lost their lives)
Problem with pro-Russia separatists is that they say they will surrender only when neighbour country army will come to save them. This is called with one word - TRAITORS!
So, your now claiming that the OSCE are lying about their own organisation.?
You can see why your this weeks winner.
You are from NZ, maybe you don't understand...
But NZ is a member of UN - do you imagine arresting some UN officials on any non-criminal charge on territory of New Zealand? Well, I don't - it would just mean New Zealand resigns from membership in UN
Poland trained the Ukraine extremists.
"This article is based on information obtained by the Polish opposition.
I erroneously cited as my source the satirical weekly Nie, which published a pastiche mixing truths and non-truths. The data it provides needs to be verified.
In any case, the matter concerning the training of Pravy Sector members has in the meantime been brought before the Attorney General of Poland."
Thierry Meyssan, April 22, 2014. http://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html
I told you - NIE is a scum tabloid, held by well known liar, Jerzy Urban who as spokesman of 1981 junta had a weekly show of government lies. Everyone knew that, everyone in Poland knows that (maybe not those who can't remember).
Especially for you - this is from official statement of CSP (Police Training Centre) where Pravy Sector was to be trained: "CSP has NEVER been training any of Pravy Sector members nor any other organizations involved in current Ukraine political situation.
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In accordance to press law CSP Commisioner claimed for corrigendum...
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In the corrigendum "Nie" explained it was April's Fool Day joke" http://www.csp.edu.pl/csp/aktu ... 224,Oswiadczenie-CSP.html
Hello, April
Syria ?
Where do you get your information from ? John Kerry's book of global facts ?
The new Syrian constitution of 2012, approved in popular referendum, introduced multi-party system without...
Please, stop that bullshit.
You have never lived under brutal regime. Stop being "useful idiot" for them. :ices_rofl
Seeing as an all out war is seeming highly likely*, I thought a look at some of the media lies could be interesting.
Racer, you sure look for me, as Stalin once said, an "useful idiot" because this is really big portion of bullshit you have just provided.
I can assure you - you can be 150% certain - you buy all this propaganda showing symmetry between the situation Ukraine and any other confilct with western countries involved (from Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, Syria etc.), but you will end up with pack of scums, bandits and thieves that want their violent rule to be protected. This IS different world.
The conflict in Crimea was fueled by Berkut who fled there to escape from responsibility from shooting and killing protesters
Those protesters didn't use armed transporters to move on Kiev streets, unlike separatists do (I wonder why is no friendly NATO-Ukraine military maneuvres planned there. Separatists would rather not use armed transporters to risk a meeting with armed convoy).
Those protesters didn't take over government buildings to rule
Those protesters, were backed by democritically chosen parliament, unlike Syrians, who only know Al-Sad family despots for half the century.
"This was not an OSCE mission but a multilateral visit under a paper that was signed between OSCE countries." - I can assure you both Ukraine and Russia are OSCE members. But one of them is evidently faking it letting separatists treat OSCE observers like that.
...and please - don't cite "NIE" - the worst tabloid in Poland owned by former spokesman of martial law 1981 junta. In Poland, nobody even bothers to sue them because everything is half-made up.
Interesting Idea . This would make it easier for russia to annex poland later, by saying they have to protect the russian minority in poland.
Russia has it written in constitution - it has right "to protect any Russian speaking citizens anywhere". Almost all of postSoviet countries have 10%-40% Russian minority, which means that in some areas they are majority. Luckily in Poland - none. Apart from Belorussians.
And you better remember - postSoviets ARE Helghans from Helghast. They are.
They perceive themelves as superior because they can control fortune-chance-luck. By all competition regulated by corruption or set up results (enormously vast evidence from business to sports). They need to be superior by empire, by any means, they need submission from minorities.
In fact they are bunch of incompetent ****s who cannot cope with reality which has one intrinsic feature - it is unexpected. IT IS NOT A BUG, IT IS A FEATURE.