Quote from Polyracer :

The servers that you cannot join are those that want a fair and more realistic driving competition.
The drivers on these servers want everybody to have the same advantages or disadvantages - sounds fair to me.

Please....

I say it all again:
Cover all the windows of your car, then put a camera in front of the windshield, put a 17" or 19" monitor above your wheel, and connect the camera to the monitor. Drive 5 Km, in any road or track.
Now tell me is realistic (you probably will, just make your idea prevail)

Quote from Polyracer :

Its a bit like joining a server where everybody there has agreed to drive a 400hp car and you want to join with a 500hp car

What?!
If I don't use cockpit view I will have all that advantage?!?! OMG!
(Do I have to try harder to be sarcastic?)

Quote from JTbo :

Are you sure other views are going to be removed? You are accusing devs ignoring licence holder based on few users opinion what they think would be nice direction of LFS, but that is of course not what devs think, nobody knows what they think, so aren't you being bit unfair here?

I'm not accusing the devs of anything...

I'm not taking for a fact that the other views will be removed, but it's a fact that people who doesn't feel comfortable with the forced cockpit view are not allowed to race on a few servers, and on the most part of the leagues!
They all have paid for the license, just like all the others, and now just because they use a different perspective of interaction with the race track, they are excluded from a big part of LFS!

Now tell me that is fair!

Quote from zeugnimod :

Just btw, IF this poll were in any way representative LFS would lose almost one quarter of its players/drivers when cockpit view is made the only view available.

Just thought I'd point this out.

Looks like that doesn't matter to the devs...
Does the fact that we all have already paid for the S2 license counts?!

Is like if you have paid for a car, and after a while, the makers come to your house and say: From now on, you are only allowed to enter and exit your car from the passenger window. All the other windows will be closed and the doors locked permanently...

I saw this coming right when it was implemented in the first place...

I believe the LFS comunity has began to become fragmented, and all for a fallacious issue.

I guess is time to say goodbye to LFS the way we knew it.

Quote from Blackout :

...And reduce the amount of capitals and exclamation marks please. You can so easily come across as a real wanker that way.

Don't actually know what a wanker is, but I doubt that's a compliment...

Anyway you'r right about your remark, but I didn't come to the forum for a while, and what do I see when I come back?
-Another idiot post about the same idiot idea of restricting LFS to a "cockpit" view only...
I don't know why,(or maybe I do) but it got me MAD! (no worries, I'm calmer now)

This AGAIN?!?!


Please, give me a break! and put your Chip and Dale to work, will you?!

How can someone ever think using the cockpit view will make LFS more realistic?!

Do you drive a real car with NO WINDOWS, using a 17" or 19" screen with no depth sense right in front of you?!?!

Try to cover all the windows on your car, put a camera on the windshield, right in front of the driver, and then connect that camera to a 17" or 19" monitor that you will place right above the wheel.

Then, I dare you to make just 5 Km on any road with moderate traffic...

Is this clear enough for all the "LETS MAKE IT ONLY COCKPIT VIEW IN THE NAME OF REALISM" movement?!?!?!?

JESUS!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but we have discussed (A LOT) this before, and I don't know why is it back!

Is it ready?

c'mon...

I was bored, so went on youtube looking for a few skill driving vids, and found this ones (among many others)

Just watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV29FnEBx4o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD8_U2Feowc

I think LFS have the capabilities to do this kind of things.

So, what do you think about putting some of the best drivers together, on BL car park, make a few layouts, a skill driving contest with a few stunts (speed handbrake parking, synch driving, etc.) and share the replays here with the comunity.

That must be a scheme...

Quote from Sombr3ro :

Ok I've bought the 32 euro version But I must wait ..
Thank you guys !!!

I'm sure you ment 36

Congrats. Wellcome to S2 in advance

ATTENTION:

LFS S2 Update
+ CD mit Handbuch
(Update S1 auf S2, S2 CD mit Handbuch**)
nur Euro 24,00*

-> This version is for people who already have S1 license, ans want to update to S2 license.

At this point S1 license is no longer available for sale!
You have to buy S2 License

If you want to download the game it costs you 36 EUR
If you want a CD with the game, it costs you 42 EUR

It's up to you, but you have this 2 options only.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eRaptor
Are you sure?


-> errr... Look at his name.... [/sarcasm]

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Not as wrong as those fake plastic boobies in your avatar.

Yeah! right! Like if it doesn't turn you on...

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Kegetys' ghost car mod showed you the line and a semi-transparent car driving it, but no idea of its current status/availability.

NotAnIllusion is right. It works on single player only though, and the line shown is the one from the best time you have done on a given circuit with a given car.

Another option is to get a WR raf file and use it with ghostcar. (I've seen that somewhere - just search the forum) Is a good way to learn the best lines IMO.

Anyway, not sure if it works with patch x...

He can be using actually his own skin, but with the same name as yours...

I explain: I think I've read somewhere that if you upload a skin named XRR_DUPONT1, and for a coincidence someone else uploads his own skin under the same name, LFSWorld doesn't keep him from doing it, and both skins are stored.

When you go online, you are using your skin and the other guy is using his, but since you have the skin in your skins folder, LFS doesn't download the other skin from LFSWorld, and applys your skin on the other car. So you see your skin in the other car...

I might of course be wrong about this, and if so, please enlight me...

Quote from Not Sure :

hooray for more realism

also plz allow any view provided it stays inside the cockpit. LFS has super configurable viewport, why not use it

yeah, chase cam is just wrong, sorry

Are you sure?

Quote from Breizh :

They know their days of arcade gameyness are counted

tsc tsc...

Quote from Boris Lozac :

You mean like a racing driver in a race car?
With all this moaning over realistic things it's higly unlikely we will ever get engine failures ("i hate you scawen, i played 2 years with unbreakable engine, now i have to learn again, remove it") brake and water heating, etc...
It wouldn't surprise me if NO reset would be canceled in next patch..

Quote from srdsprinter :

I was just thinking the same thing

It is going to (continue to) be a very unpleasant place here as people continue to lament the development of this game. Balancing, Resets, now this. The worst is yet to come with damage modeling, etc.

What?!

Once again... what does one thing have to do with the others?!?!

We are talking about being forced to change the interface trough wich you are used to drive... not aditional features that requires no relearning whatsoever!

I wellcome damage modeling, oil and water heating, remove telepit, clutch fail from flatshift, and engine damage even more, so as all other improvements to the sim itself!
What the heck, you can even remove F9 and F10 info...
Now, about the drivig point of view I guess there's nothing more to say...
Is the interface between you and the race, and that should allways remain unchanged!
Is well shown over this days what this have caused among the comunity.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

We've all gotten the fact that you're vehemently opposed to this change. No need to continue spamming that fact.

Since when showing your arguments is spamming?

I'm opposed to the change, the way it was so radically implemented, but I would accept it with some changes already suggested.

Quote from Gunn :

Yes it would be a solution to a problem that doesn't even exist.

Gunn, I know we should be worried about it, because it's a common line of thinking, and if you just closely read the "patch X10" thread, and my pole's thread, and you will see that people for this option shows a point of view like: "this option will separate the simracers from the arcade racers"

That's not true, this option will separate the real harcore simracers and the other simracers, despite their skills not allowing the to race together.

Me for example, I'm a single seater driver, and I was thinking of finding time this year to get into a league for the BF1, but now I know that probably the leagues will have the fcv activated in the servers, so I will not be albe to participate, because I drive from a custom view right above the helmet (called T-bar view I think), and I just can't drive the BF1 from the default cockpit view. I can't be competitive (I'm not either way, but that's another story :razz and I can't even enjoy driving it from the CV.

edit:
And the case is, admins think they will "ellite" the ligue by enabling this option, so they will probably do it... That's too bad for me, if that happens... So I hope it will be possible to costumise the views "within some limits"

Last edited by eRaptor, Mon 9 Jul 2007, 14:43. Reason : update

Is a little hard for me to say it but, in the beginning LFS have the virtuosity to bring a great SIMULATOR to a more vast public that all the other racing sims - pushing away people because they where too much hardcore to be enjoyable - but now it's narrowing it's target public with no need to...

Hardcore players where happy, because they already have the possibility to race in a hardcore envrinonment, and less hardcore players where happy too, because they could race in the same track with more harcore players and all have fun together in their own environment.

Now all that's about to change, because we won't be able to race together no more, despite our individual skills. We are going to be separate by the way we see the track while racing.

How about the option be available only if the server is using an autocross layout?

I believe that's why it was implemented in the firs place...

I guess it would be a solution.

Quote from Dajmin :

While I'm normally for giving as much choice as possible, I have to point out that LFS is a simulator and in real life you can't choose to fly behind your own car or lie between the front wheels just because you want a better view.

Not all those who are against this feature (at least as it is now) are for using chase and wheels view. Most of us just would like to use a costumized view, yet inside the car, but not the fixed cockpit view that is so uncomfortable, and fun spoiling...

Quote from Dajmin :

This means that those of us who treat the game as if we're racing for real can race together, and those who treat it like a game can also stick together.

That's one of my initial points, and you're proving me right - This will only divide the comunity, but don't think we all stick around...

And put one thing in your heads: The quality of a driver is not indicated by the view he uses while racing. I believe we all treat LFS as a simulation, otherwise we wouldn't be here. There's tons of racing GAMES out there, but good simulators, that's hard to find, don't you agree?

Quote from richo :

All the more space for the NFS series...

What does one thing have to do with the other?! illepall

richo: My two neurons says that if you don't like to drive a sim in default cockpit view, then you are an arcader and play NFS... with keyboard. :doh:

cmon... put chip and dale to work...

Quote from Bob Smith :

Agreed, the poll could have done with better options.

The pole was made considering the options available by the time the feature was implemented...

I sure agree there is room for aditional options, like:

c) I agree, if it's possible to adjust the view inside the car (and within a virtual cube with 1 square meter above the head position on the single seaters) - cause they have no roof ...

Quote from richo :

...
That makes me wonder aloud is , if LFS only ever shipped with cockpit view would any of the guys bitching about "the Option of forced cockpit view" play/race LFS at all?
...

That's the point... If LFS have only cockpit view when I've tried it, it would occupy the same space as nkpro in my PC (0 bytes), and would cost me the same too...