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Thanks for the Planatronics-link. But I have a question: Can the DSP-500 also run on normal soundcards or only (and solely) via USB? While USB is nice for windows, I'd also like to be able to use it without any hassle via my soundcard under Linux.

Vain

Unfortunately I don't have an answer for that. As I only use Windows, I don't how it matches with Linux.

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While suggestions are being gathered, I'd also like to hear your suggestions on good headphone with a microphone.

Vain

I have a Plantronics DSP-500. It is an awesome phone. The microphone quality is superb too.

http://www.plantronics.com/nor ... 035/cat1430032/prod440044

http://www.headsetzone.com/dsp500.html

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Quote from The Dide :

I agree with above, but I think, no sim prepares one for the g-forces (especially braking), which will work on you during a race. The heat and constant poundering of noise is also something which can stress people out, distracting from the clean racing line.. ;-). Also it can be really unnerving how brutal racing drivers (or wanna-be's) are driving their cars.

Having quite some kilometers offline (and very few and slow online), I don't drive any faster on the road (if situation permits) or feel prepared by racing with LFS, because crashing IRL hurts and is expensive and in LFS you don't really need to care....

p.s. my humble, private opinion ;-)

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but that is a great feature from NKPro. You actually need to care (when racing in PRO mode), because if you crash, you'll spend A LOT of time until you get to the pits and until your car is repaired.

So that makes you care about crashing and being a "jerk".

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Damn. This beauty will be sold here probably with a U$600-700 tag on it. But damn... I hate when this kind of things happen. Because I know I'll be buying it (well... my DFP costed me U$300... Sooo....)

22 here (23 in july)

Hey Scawen

We are experiencing a bug that happens when there is a major crash in T1 alot of guys will "crash to desktop". Again, I don't know why, but this only happened when there was a major crash (7-10+ cars involved) in T1.

We are playing with the BF1 at Aston North.

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Wow.

Well, I'll be in Cologne in September for an academy, and I'll probably spend another week traveling through germany and nearby countries... I'm definately going to find where that event will be and will try some laps (and of course, practice 100,000 miles with the BF1 before that. lol)

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Hotlap with the RAC at Aston North, than upload the hl and brag about my first WR
=D

DAMN!

WOW!

WOW!

WOW!

Now that we know this is real, MAN! WTF!

I have to study for the 2nd stage of the Bar Exam in Brazil (May 7th is the final test)... And damn... With the patch I KNOW I wont study.

Well, if it will really feature LFS, expect this to be the gratest hotlap war ever!

I mean... Even if it is not for the M6, but a laptop is already a great prize!

Mogar, one thing that would be useful is to insert the dates of Scawen's posts. So people will actually know when he said "that", and we can draw a "timeline" with his posts.

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lol

That would be a perfect progress report. LOL!

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And if the brazilians really have to pay 1/3 of monthly income to be able to buy LFS, they have got all my support. Consider paying that much money and think would you actually pay it?

Just to make things clear: we do not have to pay 1/3 of our monthly income to buy LFS. Here LFS costs 1/3 of the brazilian minimum wage.

@Mogar's last post.

Agree there. Scawen should post that progress report on a sticky thread, so everyone could see, and when there are new stuff (even if one line), he can post there.

It makes no sense if someone wants to read the latest info have the need to search 100 posts.

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Hmmmmm... I believe it's not only the crazy brazilians the ones complaining....

Mosquito, I won't even comment on your post. If you think I'm a trolol, OK. For me you are a fanboy, so I guess that makes us even.

Luiggi, a friend from the Brazilian LFS community, made some tests and posted this:

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Testando o 0-100 de alguns carros:

Todos com setup ORIGINAL, o mais próximo de um carro de rua, tanto na suspensão quanto no cambio, pressão de pneus e geometria.

XFG (GTi) 120bhp 940kg fez de 0 a 100km/h em 3ª marcha em:

7.9 segundos!

XRT (GTT) 247bhp 1223kg fez de 0 a 100km/h em 2ª marcha em:

5.5 segundos!

Os dados foram aferidos no replay em camera lenta. Para mim, parecem um tanto otimistas.

Com setup de arrancada os tempos não baixam nem 10%

Tirem suas conclusões

Translating:

Testing from 0-100km/h with some cars.

All cars with the original setup, the closest to a street car, both the suspension and gear ratio, tyre pressure and geometry.

XFG (GTi), 120bhp, 940kg went from 0-100km/h, 3rd gear, in 7.9 seconds!

XRT (GTT0, 247bhp, 1223kg went from 0-100km/h, 2nd gear in 5.5 seconds!

The data was taken from the slow motion replay. IMO, they seem a little optimistic.

With the drag setup the times won't be even 10% better.

Take your conclusions.....

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We are discussing it, and yes we are protecting LFS. Not because we are Scawen's bodyguards, but because so many people in this thread seem to think that with a few minor bugs LFS is crap. They (and this might apply to you) just don't get what LFS is about, how it's being developed, and why people enjoy LFS S2 Alpha as much as they do.

Why protect it? When you over-protect something, the results won't be even as great as if you were looking for the flaws every single time and making a point about the flaws ecery single time. We NEVER said that LFS was crap. If that is what you tought my position was, i'm sorry, but you are DEAD wrong. If I tought LFS was crap, I would have never bought it in the first place.

And yes, I understand completely what LFS is about, and how it is being developed. The thing that annoyes me is that just one small act by the devs would end this. 2 or 3 phrases per week-month telling what they are doing in a sticky thread. That's it.

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Last edited by Falkowski83, Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:53. Reason : Comment to Tristan's post.

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DEVS DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING, YOU OWE THEM SOME RESPECT, AND PATIENCE BECAUSE THEY GAVE YOU A SIM THAT THE CARS IN IT REALLY BEHAVE LIKE REAL CARS, AND FF IS ACTUALLY USABLE, AND GIVES YOU REAL INFORMATIONS ON WHAT IS GOING ON!
Sorry for the capital letters, but i am really fed up of this comments, "i paid for something that i didn't recieve", you paid the lousy 24 pounds for a great sim, and the updates you will recieve will be, guess what - FREE! We all know these bugs, and yes, it would be a good thing for them to be fixed.. and they WILL BE, but please stop being so CHEAP, because if you observe the LFS stages like FULL games(which you should) then you have two games for 24 pounds/dollars. But no, you are being cheap, and calls them stages, and you say things like, "S3 is really going to be expensive, 36 pounds, i can buy other games for 34 pounds every year and it has a DVD box, and a real life driver comment".. Then buy them, and enjoy the graphical changes that you pay 34 pounds every year!

Calm down. Breathe. Count from 10 to 1. Breathe.

Now go back to my post:

I guess when you put that kind of money in a project that you believe, you become frustrated when people just make it seem normal and just don't care about the development stage, the info we are being given and just say that £24 is a small price for the game. Maybe for you it is. Here things just don't work that way.

Did I ever mentioned that the devs owed me something? NO. I just said that we, the custumers, become frustrated when we don't hear anything, and when a large amount of time passes without major fixings. OK, you will say about the language pack. I won't even get there, because it has been discussed a lot of times here.

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Uh I keep reading in posts where so and so game is basically endorsed by a proffessional driver of some sort. There seems to be a nimber of people that seem to think that this actually maensa something as far as how good the game is. C'mon get real. That's called PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT.

If you are talking about some of my posts in this forum, where I stated that a professional driver in Brazil said that GTR represented real life WAY better than LFS, you are dead wrong. This guy is not an endorser. He is a racing sim freak, like us. He KNOWS what racing sims are like, and he KNOWS what a real life racing car is like.

I agree with your post when it comes from endorsers, but when there is a real driver in the community that is a hardcore sim racing fan, and this guy says a lot of things, always explainings the "whys", you just can't argue with that.

I just can't understand how some of you act over there. I really never wanted to bring this to the table, but I'm sorry, I feel that I need to. In Brazil LFS cost 1/3 of the minimum wage here (something around R$100,00, while the minimum wage is R$300,00).

I guess when you put that kind of money in a project that you believe, you become frustrated when people just make it seem normal and just don't care about the development stage, the info we are being given and just say that £24 is a small price for the game. Maybe for you it is. Here things just don't work that way.

And well, I guess you summed it all here: if you can use cheats and exploits, it is no longer a sim. It is only a game. And that's about it.

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Cry me a river... Play what you want, want what you play, it's just a game. The devs aren't living under a rock, they don't need you to stay up to date on actualities of the simracing world.

Exactly. It is just a game. Sometimes we just get a little tired because LFS has so much potential. Someone in the Brazilian forums (Soro) said that LFS doesn't simulate. LFS does everything. It is like a living organism, that responds to everything as it should, and not like some algorythms that sometimes have no answer to some of the variables. That is what makes us "complain". We see a glimpse of greatness, but then, in the execution, sometimes things fall behind (I know, we don't know yet how things will end up. But with how everything is being done, people expect greatness. And that is a lot of pressure on the devs).

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I've got emotional issues over a game

Now, that might be flaming if it wasn't true.

If you're so sure about all this, get in direct contact with the devs, should you have a point, they'll certainly hear you out and let you know what they think and why.
Then again they might be busy doing something else than catering to your impatience and lack of perspective.

Never typed that in the first place. And well, it seems that some other people might be lacking perspective....

Oh, and btw, this is the place to directly contact the devs

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How come? You got any facts behind that? The two major reasons for that might be that: 1. GTL/GTR are based on real series -> it just looks more realistic to real drivers. 2. GTL/GTR are more famous. I bet very small minority of the real drivers that have some kind of history with sim games have even tried LFS. I just read from the Vienna Car Show thread that some real racer who drove Caterhams who had tried the Cyberseat with LFS was very impressed with LFS & LX4. Of course this is just one example. My point is that there are lots of more real race drivers in GTR/GTL community mostly because of the real licenses and the publicity that those games have had.

Well, there are professional driver who are in the Brazilian GTR league. And some of them are also old-schoolers in the sim area. Their opinion? LFS doesn't simulate. The setups adjustments in LFS do not correalte to real life setup adjustments. While in GTR/GTL they feel that it is the best sim available right now. They know that those games have a lot of flaws, but it is the one game that comes closer to real life cars. (and those are the words from guys who drive 450hp cars - Stock Car)

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And one more point: altough we are talking about sims they're still GAMES and made for gamers, not for real drivers.

Agree there. But hey, so we should just get the "sim" tag out of LFS (read mogar previous posts and you'll see why I mean that). IMO, if a game has the goal to be a Sim, it must be for real drivers and must be equal to reality. And not a "game", where you can exploit flaws to succeed.

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If you want to compare sims, at least give LFS a break and compare it to the only other sim that poses a threat - NetKar. And it's only conjecture 'cos no-ones played it. It might be poo.

Yes. I'm also waiting for that game. But don't get me wrong. I believe GTR2 will be just astonishing. And it will be a threat to LFS (well... that is a dangerous afirmative, because we only will know when they release GTR2).

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no, alpha

Thanks for the correction.

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I saw real racedrivers play LFS, and they were really impressed.

But did they ever play other sims? Do they know what other titles are capable of?

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because you simply do not have the right to ORDER a progress report. If the devs want to/can, they give you one, if not you dont get one

I can't order anything. I am not ordering. I'm just asking.

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you know what? I might even buy gtr2 the time it is out. But if any new patch for LFS comes after that, I'll be back as everyone. Yes, just go and enjoy it, play other games, but the moment you get the email with the newsletter, you'll be back, I'll promise. And you know why? Cause you wont have to pay 50,- Euros for that update

I never said I stopped playing LFS. I didn't. And I won't. But I'm also waiting for the new sims. If they are REALLY better, than I only will come back if LFS surprises me (and that is a completely possible scenario).

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you arent flamed, you just showed that there is still some lack of infos and understanding in the part of the "EA gives me every year an update for 50,- euros, I want one in LFS too" part of the community

The only problem from this forum is that most of the times when people show different opinions from the majority, they are flamed. But hey, let's move on.

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I really don't understand why all this balllicking towards the devs.

Let's discuss the FACTS, and not subjective things:

1) LFS is beta. Yes, it is. For almost 8 months now. We absolutely should have had some progress reports, or as Mogar stated, know we are fixing this and that.
2) Why the BHM and AutoSimSport awards? Because the community voted. Not racing experts. Not professional drivers. We already know this, and 9 out of 10 professional drivers will say GTR and GTL are WAY better than LFS (can't disagree there. And btw, yes, I also play GTL, so don't come with the nonsense "if u dont like it dont play it")
3) WTF is this that whenever someone has any complaints about the game or the physics you will come flaming everyone?????? We said over and over again that we UNDERSTAND how LFS is being developed. But it comes to a point where you just run out of patince waiting for something that should already be done.
4) In the other "brazilian" thread, SpeedSoro warned about the other developers. And was FLAMED for that. I need to say that I really have high expectations for GTR2. And if the LFS Team doesn't keep up to par, they will lose a lot of supporters (even the hardcvore, that will have to understand the REALITY someday).

I know I will be flamed for this, but Forums are places to post OPINIONS, and also COMPLAINTS and SUGGESTIONS about games. It shouldn't be a protective place where if the developers are criticized there will be a lot of "ball-lickers" to flame the other guys.

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damn... it will be 1500 here in brazil, so no show for me (and what makes it tougher is that i'm on dial up at the office).

Anyway, enjoy guys.

Quote from EclipseGsX :

unless you own a ferrari with paddel shifters or a F1 car then its fine

tand about pressing T

Hey... My dad owns a GM Omega (250hp), auto gear, but has the option of the paddles. And damn, that is super fun (I have an Opel Astra, so going from my 116hp to those 250hp WITH paddles is really fun! lol)


And I do the "t" thing all the time. lol

I just don't understand it...

I bought a DFP 6 months ago and I am not having any kind of problems. I always play without shoes, only socks or barefoot (it is 40ºC in Brazil right now), and the wheel and pedals are working flawlessly.

I hope I don't experience this problems, as I paid U$330 for the wheel (imported eletronics in Brazil are way too expensive...)

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No man.. I wasn't talking directly to you, i meant generally, the complaining people.. Your posts were Ok, and constructive, i only Quoted the part of your post and was talking to "YOU" as YOU people..

I have to disagree with one thing. I don't really think my posts were constructive to the development of the game. I believe I made myself clear in the points I wanted to make. But my goal wasn't saying "the FZR needs this or that or something else", because I am not a professional driver, so I can't really argue physics that much (although when something is just too off you know, because it doesn't feel right).

But thanks for explaining.

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So you are saying that you would rather want a "finished" product full of bugs, wrong physics, bad custommer support, no further patches just because it says on the box "FINISHED"?? illepall You are a happy customer now?? What if S2 alpha was released with the CD box, printed manual, etc, and is registred as finished? Would you ask for updates, patches, etc? NO! because again you would be "happy customer" with a Finished product in your hand, although you would know and see that there is room for improvement, but you wouldn't ask for the patches, and improvements because you have a "FULL" game, and you are very "happy"..
We get to play the alpha version that is better then anything out there that is "finished". And you moan about that?? You would rather just look at the screenshots and trailers, waiting for the FULL version, or would you play the game while it is near finished?? I choose the second option..
I payed the lousy 36 euros for an excellent product, and I KNOW that i would get the FULL version FOR FREE!! later.. Now, this is a bad thing??! illepall God people, how can you be so ungreatfull??

Aaaaargh!!!!

I give up. Lol. Nobody seems to understand my toughts.

I AM NOT BASHING THE GAME. I UNDERSTAND WHAT ALPHA MEANS. I LIKE THE WAY THE GAME IS DEVELOPED AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND IT. And I won't talk anymore about the costumer thing. If you didn't understand what I meant, sorry, I won't explain it for the 10.927.465.839.278.162.739 time.

Now I'll play Pac-Man on my Atari, so feel free yo do anything you'd like (including flaming this post, if you want to).

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So, the main thing you "mock" about is (and that is probably only because you as a lawyer notice such things) that there's no "I have read and agree to the terms" checkbox that prevents clicking the next button before it's checked?

Do you really think that changes anything, or makes anyone read the terms before? Actually, the chance that the LFS "Agreement" is read is way higher than most of the installer-included EULAs simply because it's much shorter. All those "consumer protecting" tricks like checkboxes or having to scroll down the EULA does nothing. The average user isn't slowed down by such measurements at all, actually he's expecting that there's a checkbox somewhere on the EULA screen so he can proceed to the next step within tenths of seconds.

Or am I misunderstanding you?

Personally I think all this consumer protection is important against companies that actively try to fool people into false assumptions to harvest their money. I can nowhere see that with LFS.

Dude, wait, please. Lol. Things are reeeeaaallly far away from what I was intended to say. When I talked about the consumer rights, yes, it could relate to me, as I am a consumer. But in this thread, I wasn't intended to flame the developers or anything!!! Actually, I'm not even sure how this consumer debate started and how or why I started to talk about the "click-wrap" contracts, but hey, whatever.

So, what I wrote wasn't anything directly related to LFS, was related to all products or software that we buy on the internet. So, don't get that as an offense aimed right on Scawen's face. LOL

Hey, c'mon, now I just hope we can enjoy LFS S2 Full in something like 5 months. That would be awesome.

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