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gezmoor
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Quote from ATC Quicksilver :I've got a new one...


Driving back from work today some stupid woman in a people carrier decided to nearly run me off the road. Basically there is a dual carridgeway that merges onto a bridge. I was on the outside lane ready to slot in behind the car just ahead on the left of me when this woman tries to undertake me and push in. Normally I would just brake and swear at the idiot, but it was at a point where the only outcome that would prevent a crash was her braking hard, because I had a car behind me too. But she did it so slowly that I nearly had to mount the central reservation to avoid her. Luckily a blast on the horn woke the stupid cow up and she broke just in time for me to avoid smashing the central reservation at 30mph.

I just wish people would stop being dicks at that section of road, they either undertake, tailgate, or zoom past a line of 5 cars and cut in really late and dangerously.

A bit of defensive driving sorts those idiots out. Just position yourself in the middle of the two lanes as early as you can and stop people physically being able to undertake or overtake you. Works perfectly. Though, I'm only talking about those merging queue situations you've refered to not when traffic is free flowing.
gezmoor
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Quote from DaveWS :I feel the quickest way to initially work out where the limit is, is to drive aggressively, let the car have it's head, and purposely push the car into corners. This way you will find the limits, exceed them, then smoothen out your driving to try and stay as close to the limit as possible without exceeding it too much or dropping below it and losing out potential time.

Doesn't work too well for me ! I have a tendency to overdrive a car when I first get in to it and then have difficulty finding how much I need to slow down. I usually end up not pushing hard enough I think, because I can never seem to get any closer than 1-2 seconds off the fastest guys. Don't know why I do really, probably because I find it difficult to sense speed on a computer screen. I know in real life I am completely the opposite by being over cautious. But then that was on motorcycles, I've never done any track days in a car.

Getting back to the tyre phyiscs, something else I've noticed is that I get the impression that the slicks are way too forgiving. Now I've never driven/ridden on slicks but from what I've been told they are not anywhere near as progressive as road tyres when it comes to loosing them. They give great grip up to the point when they let go, but then they let go hard, (at least compared to road tyres). I think this is born out by my experience in watching people racing on slicks, you hardly hear any tyre squeeling and you hardly ever see anyone sliding the rear out around corners. They're either pretty much stuck to the road, (barring the squirming of the suspension of course) or spinning off. Nothing like the kind of behaviour you see on road tests all the time with people squeeling tyres and sliding around all over the place. In LFS I can't say I've noticed any sigificant difference between the behavior of the road tyres and the slicks, except of course in the total amount of grip. If anything the slicks are easier to pull back in to line than the road tyres, needing far less throttle/braking modulating to get the grip back.
gezmoor
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Quote from goldsbar :I've been reading up on some racing technique and most people claim smoother movements (braking, accelerating and turning) will result in more grip and faster times. The explanation for the physics seems to make sense.

Then I watch the fast replays. They look anything but smooth. Instant on-off braking. Instant on off-throttle. Quick and big jerks of the steering wheel. What gives?

I know what you're talking about, I've noticed this too. The fastest guys always seem to be oversteering and over pushing the tyres. Maybe it's to do with the way the game gives audio/visual feedback to compensate for the fact you're not actually sat in a car or maybe it's to do with the tyre physics not being perfect and not enough forward speed is lost when you slide tyres in the corners. In my opinion it's probably a mix of both, but definitely mostly to do with the latter. I just think that you can slide the car around a lot in LFS and not loose as much forward momentum as you would do in real life. Also, I'm not 100% convinced that higher corner speed is maintained quite right when coming out of corners, I've followed guys that are doing a quicker lap than me and sometimes I'm quicker through a corner than them but never seem to make up much distance on the following straight and I know it's not down to gearing because a few times I know I've been using the same set.
gezmoor
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Quote from scipy :Actually, it's not over the top, not even a bit. IMO the only restriction in any racing class should be power to weight ratio and tire width - so you can fit 5 different types of cars in a class, and anyone can choose their weapon of choice.

And the resulting carnage from the differing lines/relative speeds on different sections of the circuit caused by placing dramatically different machines on the track at same time would be really conducive to good racing right?? No I didn't think so.

Quote :Also if your running a "cup" or anything similar setups should not be restricted in any way, why would someone who has the knowledge to give themselves a completley legal advantage

Errr... how can it be a "legal advantage" when it's not compliant with the series rules ?? Think you're missing the point of the whole ethos of spec racing. If the spec doesn't suit your tastes/talent just go find one that does and leave other people to race in series that suit their tastes/talents. There are plenty of different motorsport options to choose from.


Quote : be put in the same failboat as the whiner who just came there with no prep work at all and thinks he should have the same chance at winning.

Sounds more like you're the one whining about not being able to beat these guys that "just turn up with no prep work" to me.

Quote :In simracing it's even worse, many of the aspects that a good driver and/or race engineer would consider in real life racing are completley absent in simracing, there is no taking care of a car, keeping track of how many miles each component has and when they have to be changed, or a gazillion other things that help smart people get the car across the finish line. So, with all those "advantages" already gone, can you seriously argue some kind of locked setups and "equality"? It is for the mentally challanged.

Why care? if you're good, you'll be able to beat them anyway. Your whole post, (and others too), just sound like you're worried about a bit more competition maybe?? IF the changes result in more competition down the ranks what difference does it make to you if you're out in front? or do you worry that restricted set options will mean you can't win as easily anymore??

Your posts make no sense to me in all honesty. All I see in most of them is vitriol towards others with a different opinion to you.
gezmoor
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :I'm on a bike, I don't tailgate. I just prepare to overtake.... constantly.

Ahhh.. the memories !!
gezmoor
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Quote from BlueFlame :Men have more expensive accidents because they are just driving too damn fast. Women have all these bumps and scrapes, nothing to write the car off just idiotic, mindless, unaware driving. That's why, on average, womens car insurance is cheaper than mens.

Dunno.. but I thought that's exactly what I said??
gezmoor
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Quote from danthebangerboy :you beat me to it dougie. Seriously though, i have seen many people doing totally rubbish attempts at driving, and about 9 times out of 10, tis a lady behind the wheel. Such as a young girl in a saxo trying to park one day, she did about 15 shunts to get into a space that was about 6 feet longer than her little car, so loads of space. When she saw the queue she was causing on ely high street, she obviously went a bit wrong, and proceeded to reverse at speed over the pavement (luckily no pedestrians :schwitz and into the massively solid flint wall the other side.

Actually men and women are just as bad as each other overall. They just do different things badly. As you said women are usually worse at being able to judge speed/distance/space so tend to make mistakes at junctions and parking etc. Men on the other had tend to suffer from believing they are far better drivers than they are and so consiously drive too fast, go for undersize gaps, not leave enough room etc, so their accidents are by and large much more dangerous/severe. Women on the other had, tend to be far more cautious and lacking in confidence so have much more minor accidents. It's for this reason that Insurance companies are able to offer cheaper insurance to women without coming in to trouble with sexual equality legislation because all the facts show that men cause more expensive accidents than women.

2007 Figures here: http://www.dft.gov.uk/162259/1 ... 328843/flagbfactsheet.pdf
Car specific fuel setting
gezmoor
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I didn't find this in the improvements suggestion log post and nothing came up when i searched so....appologies if I missed.


Something that has been bugging me for a while now is the need to keep changing the amount of fuel in the car at race start when I change between servers (particularly in CTRA) because the cars have different fuel consumption.

Given that most of the races are of the same lengths so therefore the amount of fuel you need in a car stays pretty much fixed I think it would be an improvement if when you chose a car the amount of fuel you last used in it remained the same.

Eg Drive the XFG in CTRA Race 1 and you'll probably have a fuel setting of around 8%, when you swap to say the FOX in CTRA SS 2 you will need to change the fuel setting of the car as well as changing car and choosing a set. If you're in a push to get in to a race before it starts you are very likely to not have time/forget to change the fuel setting and run out mid race.

So I would like to suggest that the fuel setting is related to the car rather than a global setting at a minimum. Ideally it would be IN the set config itself so that just choosing a set will set the amount of fuel to start a race with.

The pit options such as tyre wear/replacement and refuelling setting would probably be better off either as car specific settings or in the actual set for each car/track also.


Thoughts??
gezmoor
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Quote from Bean0 :Fiery ball of death you say...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/73069.stm

Not nearly a tough enough sentence IMO, should have been twice that.
gezmoor
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Quote from BlueFlame :There is PLENTY justification for deliberately hitting someone whilst driving... Some people only learn the hard way, and to be rammed from behind non fatally is the EASY way... You clearly braketest people, it's not fun, it's dangerous, you wouldn't believe the consertina effect it has on motorways because when people see brake lights it's like a panic button in their minds has been pressed and you will see people braking all the way down the motorway, when there are 100m gaps inbetween drivers and they are all going roughly around the speedlimit...

I don't understand people like you, because clearly you are defending braketesters and dualcarridgeway blockers too, it happened to my dad once where someone in a Rover or some crap moved right when my dad wanted to overtake, my dad then went back to his original position on the left hand side only to be obstructed yet again, so he went to the right AGAIN only to be BLOCKED AGAIN, so he rammed him in the rear, then the blocking driver had the cheek to report my dad and my dad got points on his license, and if he hadn't of rammed him, his license would've been completely clean.

I agree with AJP, it's not half as dangerous as braketesting someone it SHOULD stop them from doing it, it's the most annoying, dangerous thing people do on the road, and drivers like women don't realise they are doing it, some women and men seem to have a problem with understanding how THEIR driving actions can affect OTHER motorists and cause crashes. I HATE that kind of ignorance...

Firstly stop making assumptions, it only makes you look stupid.

Secondly, I never braketest people. I'd never even heard the term before I read it on here. If some idiot wants to sit 2" off my rear bumper I'm just going to gradually slow down, (and I mean gradually so they are fully aware of what I'm doing), then I'll floor it. 9 times out of 10 I'll pull away from them becauase I have more torque than most of the idiots who drive like that and they get the message and don't bumper hug me anymore. If they continue to drive like a moron then I'll pull over and let them drive like it.

I hardly ever drive at the speed limit but I won't drive stupidly fast either, so the only people I ever hold up are the ****s that think they are michael schumacher and want to drive a good 20mph + faster than everyone else is going. In those circumstances I just move over and pray that when/if they have an accident it's only themselves they kill.

Lastly I'm not siding with people that brake test or pull out in front of you last minute and then don't go anywhere etc, they are stupid idiotic and dangerous drivers no doubt. But as I said, there is absolutely NO justification for ever intentionally hitting someone when driving. If I ever see someone doing it I will be noting their number plate and making a phone call to the police. You can trust me on that. There is a huge difference between being frustrated, annoyed and even put at risk by other drivers and being the idiot that's doing it!!

PS - Your dad deserved everything he got for what he did. He should have just backed off and let the other guy drive like a moron, better yet he should have reported him to the police and got him points on his license.
gezmoor
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Quote from Forbin :Any racer worth his salt has a different setup for each of the tracks he goes to, in LFS or real life.

I know that in my case, my setups in LFS did not vary much from track to track, especially if there were no extreme features of the track (e.g. AS4's Eau Rouge, FE's curbs). I started with the same base for each track and tweaked the compression dampers, ARB's, ride height, tires, tire pressure, camber, gearing, and downforce (where applicable). Springs and rebound dampers generally stayed the same.

Which at the end of the day is how it would be in real life. Take any vehicle and it has basic dynamic characteristics. Once you've got the basic things like damping/spring rates set so that the car handles correctly/optimally, (call it what you will), for your driving style then track to track changes should really be relatively minor. I look at some of the LFS sets for the same car and there can be huge variations in things like spring rates and arb settings for different circuits. This just isn't realistic IMO. For example there is no real reason to be increasing the springing of the front of a particular car by say 60% for one circuit over another. There aren't any major steep gradient down hill braking zones on any of the LFS tracks that spring to mind??. Why would a car need to be massively oversteery on one circuit and massively understeery on another?? (for the same driver)
gezmoor
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Quote from frokki :And I have never even thought that these "rumble strip extensions" were not counted as a track. .

Then you think wrong. The track is defined by the white lines at the edge of the tarmac. As far as I know two wheels must be inside the area between the two white lines at all times, (certainly that is the case in F1), and if at any time this is not the case you are considered to be course cutting and this will lead to a penalty being imposed.

Obviously in this case the simple answer is to put a tyre wall perpendicular to the track exactly at the apex of the corner right up to the edge of the grass, (or whatever distance away from the edge that would mean you had to keep at least two wheels inside the white line).
gezmoor
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Quote from ajp71 :Absolute worst thing to do is show the brake lights, many drivers (including myself) will happily hit a car deliberately brake testing them. Just last Friday I did exactly that, I was coming up the outside lane @ 75mph on a 70mph perfectly straight section of dual carriageway, there were two other vehicles around a lorry in the slow lane and a Primera traveling somewhat slower than the speed limit behind said lorry. At the last minute the Primera pulled out without indicating and forced me to brake, speed now down to 57mph according to the satnav (the boss's of course, I stubbornly insist on reading maps ). I then followed about a car length behind the car rather frustrated that it had dangerously pulled out infront of me and now wasn't doing anything to improve the situation by barely driving faster than the lorry. Evidentely the old boy driving it felt he had some kind of right to be as anti-social as possible and decided to brake hard infront of me, and more than testing the brakes speed was down to 44mph according to the GPS, with the slightest tap of his back bumper he instantly found the accelerator passed the lorry and got out the way again.

Whilst I felt it was safe had anything happened it would be your fault for brake testing, simply don't do it, especially when the car behind looks like it is old and solid and wouldn't give two shits about getting physical.

Your fault for brake testing?? are you joking?? The fault is 100% completely yours for hitting him deliberately!!! That makes you a complete moron. IMO people like you should be banned from driving for life. Tagging someone up the rear is one of the most dangerous things you can do whilst driving. I don't care how stupidly the guy in front was behaving there is absolutely no justification for deliberately hitting someone whilst driving.
gezmoor
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :I mean ignore the blithering idiot's gestures towards you.

Some dude gave me the birdie the other day, so I waved at him and rode off. Laughing, I may add.

I was about to commen to the OP if he feels he gets treated badly driving a car to try riding a motorbike. With car drivers they're just being stupid. When it comes to motorcycles a fair percentage of car drivers actively begrudge you even being on the road. For example, I lost count of the number of drivers that pulled forward in a queue of traffic and purposfuly pulled over near a traffic island etc to block my path. Why ?? well basicaly they hate the fact that on a motorcycle you're making progress and they're not, and all because they're too frightened to ride one themselves.
gezmoor
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Quote from mrodgers :..... Changing from heavy factory wheels to lighter aftermarket wheels is not detrimental to the handling of a normal road car. It helps it. .

Actually it may help it, it may may it worse. Depends on whether the original wheels were being under/correctly/over damped by the OEM dampers. If they were being correctly damped then any change in mass of the wheels will cause the amount of damping to be wrong. Heavier wheels will make the system underdamped and lighter wheels will make the system over damped (relative to "correct" damping). Then there is spring rate to account for. The spring rate will (in combination with the unsprung mass), determine the natural resonance frequency of the suspension system, this resonance is important both in terms of the dynamics of the vehicle and the size/frequency etc of the bumps the suspension can effectively absorb. Changing the wheels mass will affect this frequency and so affect these aspects of the vehicles performance.

Point Tristan is (correctly) making is that without actually knowing what the damping of the system was originally and without knowing the spring rate and total mass of the unsprung weight, you'll never know how much :

a) Your replacement wheel should weigh and/or
b) How much your damping should be adjusted to account for the change in wheels mass and/or
c) How much your spring rate should be adjusted to account for the new wheels mass.

The above is true even if the orginal design parameters were compromised towards comfort and you wanted to improve handling/roadholding. Without knowing the original values and figures you will just have no clue which way to go to achieve what you want.
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gezmoor
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Quote from 5haz :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ourR2gqCLpw


Geez what a pratt !! They have to either be drunk or doing that on purpose surely??
gezmoor
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Sucks it got stolen mate.. especially if you live in London it's always a risk. Was it alarmed and the like?

Yup belled up and locked and covered with one of those heavy green covers too, (which was also padlocked under the bike). Basically they just lifted it straight in to the back of a van. Not much you can do to stop that really.

I haven't ridden since (1999), got a car instead. I still pine for riding a bike but even at my age the insurance will be a killer for the bike I really want, (either a Gixer 750 or a Blade). I won't go back to a 600 because I had already outgrown them really and I'm a short shifter by habit and middleweights don't have the midrange grunt to suit my riding style.

Was a lovely bike though.
gezmoor
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I used to ride one of these, before some kindly sc*mbag stole it.

Had a full race exhaust with carbon end can.
gezmoor
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Quote from sam93 :I do think they are Paki's also, I was just saying that the majority seem to say the term Paki is a racist comment which I don't think it is at all.

Yeah really? I don't know maybe most of you aren't old enough to realise it but the reason it's a racist comment is because it was used by supporters of the NF and other racist bigots in the UK as a term of abuse against Asians in this country, (even as has been stated if they weren't even from Pakistan).

Since when has the term "Brit" ever been used in a negative way to our faces and at the same time with us getting our faces kicked in??? That's why being called a Brit isn't racist and why terms like P*ki, N*gger, Y*d etc are.
gezmoor
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Quote from Tim_J_23 :Is it true that it hardly is nice weather, always gray sky etc in GB?
Because everytime you watch TV from either movies, shows etc to car programs on Discovery Channel, it's hardly NEVER sun! o.O
But oh well, that's TV ^^

No.. we always have great weather.. never know what's going to be next and the forecasters can never get it right. Talking about the weather is a great part of the British subculture.. I can't imagine living somewhere where you can't use talking about the weather as a back up for stilted conversations or embarasing situations.. .. Imagine all the awkward social situations !! I guess that's why we can't/don't create so called comedies like "Friends".
gezmoor
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Quote from mrodgers :I couldn't tell you the last time I was on a 3 mile wide road that was straight with traffic lights. We have what is called hills and mountains, and yes, there are bends on these hills....

Mountains?? wot r they den??
gezmoor
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umm as for the Brit vs N. American driving in snow debate, I'd just like to point out.. we have small roads over here, with bends and things called round abouts and actual real density of traffic Not the 3 mile wide straight roads with traffic light junctions and one car every half an hour that you guys have over there.
gezmoor
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Quote from Christopher Raemisch : I would guess it's by far cheaper to shut everything down for a day, then have to maintain the equipment and people to deal with 1 days worth of weather, some years it never happens.

Unless you believe those "made up" figures of how much it cost our economy for all those people to stay at home for a day.. yeah right ok.. It's all BS.. The way they calculate the figures is to work on the premis that all those people were paid a days wages to do nothing productive. That's not a real cost, it's an imaginary one that does not have a direct relationship to loss of business revenue. I hate the way the media panders to business like that in this country. Trying to make people feel guilty for having (in a lot of cases) not potentially put their safety at risk just to go to work.
gezmoor
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Quote from dawesdust_12 :It's that little?! I'm ****ing surprised, I thought it was at least 97%.

Yeah? well it would seem that we're no less intelligent than Canadians (22% are Creationists) and compared to your neighbours (51% of Americans are Creationists) we're all geniuses

http://ncseweb.org/news/2008/0 ... creationism-canada-001375

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories ... on/polls/main965223.shtml
gezmoor
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Quote from SilverArrows77 :lol oh dear....so close yet so far (no actually.. not close at all.....)




Basically, Tris has it right. Or at least partially right. All road cars are, of course, built to a market price point and therefore a set of compromises. As they come out of the factory they are the best that they can be for the price point and market position intended by the manufacturer and the idea that spending a few hundred pounds on body kit, loud exhaust and/or larger (read heavier) wheels in isolation is going to make the car perform better is just ignorance pure and simple.

However, that doesn't mean that such a car can't be improved to meet the individual users set of compromises, (which may well not be the same as the manufacturers), to improve certain aspects of the cars performance. But, it requires a proper understanding of vehicle dynamics and comprehensive set of changes to improve things such as suspension performance. These things aren't actually difficult to understand, but most people never bother to take the time to understand them before embarking on their £££ spending spree on bigger heavier alloys, plastic bodywork etc.
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