Quote from tristancliffe :

I'm sure no one is interested

I am

You know all this stuff is surely not coming ,don't you?

Quote from legoflamb :

The point of Pre-ordering anything is to give the creators confirmation that you will purchase it. Also, it gives them money early to make up for some loses of development expense. I see no other purpose of pre-ordering.

If you want to pre-order it, but dont want to over pay, then just underpay by a good amount and pay the rest when it comes out.



Like marzman said, there is no point for pre-ordering a game such as LFS. Therefor, the only point of pre-ordering LFS is to give financial support.

LFS DEV's, "Sorry we are sold out. Please wait till we make more S3 EXE.'s. BTW: You sould have pre-ordered" LOL at the idea of running out of copies of LFS

Nice post,what's more,as you said,it gives them money NOW
I think i will do it tonight

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

Question (hope it won't get lost in the noise):

Is this the general direction that LFS is to take in the future? I mean that is the current intention (perhaps in the absence of firm plans) that LFS will start to lean towards real life laser scanned tracks where possible? Also, will the trend towards real cars be something the devs are considering? Rockingham came up as an opportunity to take, but does this mean that Eric may still (present or future tense) continue developing fantasy tracks?

To be honest i don't mind fictional tracks but they have to be designed with bumps and crest and not just be perfectly flat.
I just think they caught the opportunity and decided that THAT track would suit well to LFS.It'll be nice to know if that was just pure luck or if it was somewhat planned.
Im perfectly ok with the fictional side of LFS,racing on non-existent tracks is fun and contributes to make LFS have its own special environment,an original and non replicable one.

Quote from yuen_drifter :

How much money does Scawen need to get the license for the off road cars?

This isn't "Developers Manager 2009 by Ea sports".
Stick to reality
It's not like you suggest something while rubbing a lamp.

Quote from marzman :

Then don't buy it if it is a ridicolous amount and wait for more content and buy it then.

I think I would buy it. I've watched some onboard cams on youtube and it looks like a great track.

I just said,read me again,that the devs release something but don't promise anything.
Im just analising the fact that you cant complain about the initial purchase.
If you buy it than you got to be happy with what you find there.
No one could assure you that the game will keep improving even if you know it will.
Am i clear now?

Quote from chunkyracer :

I think that statement from Scawen just means a new approach to the way they sell LFS. You pay for what LFS is at the time of purchase, and not based on what you expect it to be in the future. That way makes it easier for them to adjust the way they develop LFS without being tied to what people are hoping for the future, regardless of what plans may be revealed by the devs, or any kind of "rumour" created in this forum. Releasing new content is always a good thing, be it to keep the userbase that they already have, or to bring new people to the game, so I don´t see any reason for it not to happen...

That's is my point.
Let's just say it's like paying for "just" 2 cars and a track(with different circuits) and just being happy with that.Whatever will come next would just be a plus,a bonus.I still think that 12£ is a ridicolous amount for the stuff i wrote about.
If we see it this way it'll make more sense.

Quote from Gil07 :

It's sad to see the state this community is in.

Thanks for the news Scawen

+1
I'd be very happy to pay now,i am so happy about their work and i think they deserve our support to go on.

Quote from Paranoid Android :

The problem is your thinking is morally correct but logically flawed. Till now there was no expectation of more content, just more development of the software. The one time there was in S2 with the Scirocco you can see where that lead to. Till now criticism could be cut down to its roots because it had no right to exist. People had already got what they bought for, and the rest was just immaturity, misunderstanding or opinions on the general direction of the product in the future. If the devs make people buy a bit of content AND a promise of more content, they will open themselves wide open to criticism. I do NOT want that for them, but people would have the right to give their opinion in the product they invested in and have expectations from.

Again, I'm sure the devs have thought this through and will find a way to protect themselves if they haven't already. It is too simple of a loophole to miss.

Ok,think i got your point now.
What can i say...im pretty happy with what LFS is offering me at the moment while im still looking forward for any good update.
The fact is that im tolerant,i know that unexpected bugs can show at any time,i know that those 3 have a life outside the game and the forum.
I respect their work,i trust them and i know they are working to pack an amazing game in its final release.
Was i sad when i heard that the content was delayed?Of course,but i know that shit happens and im still holding on to see more.
That's just my opinion,others can complain,if they want,but i think that sometimes is better to relax and enjoy WHAT WE HAVE NOW and not crying on what we don't have yet.
I still doubt that every single users has mastered each combo in the game

Quote from Paranoid Android :

The only way I can see this working is saying that with the 12 pounds or so you will have the right additionally to only a track and a car, with MAYBE some others added in time (but again some people will feel they have the right to 2 and others the right to 6 add-ons). This may work but MANY people will feel it is expensive (not that I find that expensive). Or they just lower the prices, and start selling the tracks and cars separately as they come. This could be a win-win because everyone will buy them and it will pressure them to release more content to get the money flowing. And why not, with this business model they could contract people to do just one track or a car and get their cut.

Hope I made myself clear...

I think that is the part you wanted to clarify the most.
Think i got your point but i reckon that it has always been like this.
Devs realease a new stage(S3 now)with just some of the final releases.
They do tell us that updates are to be expected but,obviously,they can't tell us the precise date on which the content will be added.
I think that everyone who is thinking to buy something has to read the conditions,and can't complain if development is slow.
Are there contents to be expected:yes.
Are they coming soon:no one knows,the variables are so much and they're not just related to the game itself.
My point is you can't complain about the amount of time,what is slow for you may be superfast for them,especially if we keep in mind that the group is only made out of 3 people.

Thanks NightShift,your short review was almost convincing me
As you say the graphics are quite good,nothing to complain on that side for me as well.What's more i've seen a couple of videos about the 500+Aosta combo.
You're right when you say that buying a license is a bit of a gamble.
The game looks promising,it surely has potential and appeal.
I hope they can quickly spot what is good and what it isn't so they will leave alone the first and focus on the seconds,avoiding the risk to ruin everything.
You see,i never get to that "non return point" when you pay for something and promise you won't regret it,whatever the results.
I just don't want to pay for something i won't use but at the same time im so curious to find out how the game has evolved.

Quote from JJ72 :

re-read his post.

Why?
Is just the same old story in a different suit...
I don't like it,i want them to rush,not too many tracks,i want more,he wants less.
I mean,do you really think that acting like so is one of our rights?

Quote from Scud81 :

I will pay S3 license without any problems but im not going to be happy if i need to buy new CPU/GPU to make it run nicely...

I was missing that...really.
So they should not only release a FREE product but also give you some money to buy a new system.
Weapon of choice,i think that's the answer...

Quote from teedot :

Im surprised the dev's haven't given up based on the totally crap attitude from 95% of the people posting here... LFS has new things coming yet people always start bitching moaning and complaining.

It's pretty simple really.... If you aren't happy with the speed of development or the new things they are bringing to us, uninstall LFS from your computer, remove LFS forums from your favourites and be gone.

If it was me i had already blocked their license just for fun.
If you dont appreciate my work you dont deserve the RIGHT to use it.
Simple as that.Remember that this is a LICENSE,you aren't even buying anything for real.

Quote from Paranoid Android :

If now they buy S3 being able to access only one more track and a car, with the promise that more content will be added, they WILL have to right to moan that development is slow and that they want more cars and tracks faster. There has to be some kind of line drawn by Scawen when S3 is open for buying.

Get it into your head,you don't have any right.
You can either spit or swallow,nothing else.
Wanna buy S3?Do it.
Want to save money?Leave it there.
Playing LFS is NOT an inalienable right,what should i say to convince you.
You seem to have some serious problems understanding what is your right to do.
illepall

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Do it!

I downloaded the software from the site,just a few days ago,and i was instantaneously brought with feet on land by a very first error message.

Looks like my laptop is not happy with NKpro
I don't know,the game looks promising but...it's just that it doesn't convince me.

Quote from naskavu :

it's funny how people write essay's to explain to other people to stop moaning, just shut it and let them moan! lol, we all have to input our thoughts its a forum... if u guys want to donate ur life , then donate a million dollars to them.. hehe, ill see this patch in 2013

Free of charge,since you like free things:

See you in the forum,looks like you guys cant move an inch from here.
I know,i should quit it...but its such fun to dismantle some people's arguments.

Well,looks like it's time for me to think about buying a NKpro license...
Should i?

Quote from PMD9409 :

I wish my dorms were that cheap, I would not commute if they were...

Not counting any financial aids, the cost per year at my Uni was $10,000 (just to live there, not counting anything else).

Well,studying at Bocconi,here in Italy,is a good way to make your wallet lose weight.

Sorry Jakg,did you say 3,600 pounds just for the accomodation?
Maaaaan,that's quite a lot of money.

Quote from 5haz :

People moan, then people moan about people moaning, perhaps you could say I'm moaning about people moaning about people moaning?

In fact im sick of repeating simple concepts to people which show NO signs of understanding.
Santa only comes on December 25th,but this is the wrong place to look for him.
Im off,i can't take it anymore...

Quote from PedraumF :

I didn't mean I'm a share holder, "ridicolous" boy. We, users, are giving our opinion to them, developers. That's something some companies PAY for, feedback is one of the most important things on business.

And what it's usually paid on stores is around US$30. But that's for games made on huge companies with dozens of developers, published by bigger companies, with box and transport and taxes and comissions and publicity, etc...

And that's why I think £36 is too much. But then again, there will be an army of fanboys making a war against my irrational arguments...

First of all:you dont have any right to tell the devs what to do.
This is not "i ask,they do" or "i know best".
You are just allowed to buy it and fully accept the contract.
You are already lucky due to the fact that you didn't directly spent money for your license.You can have opinions,you can suggest,that's fine.
But posting thing like "make as i wish" doesn't help you a lot.
The choice is simple,stay or go.
Nothing more,since you already have S2 no one is gonna prevent you from playing it,if you think 12£(maybe,as expected) are too much for your pockets than don't buy the damn S3.No one will stick a piece of paper with "Im a poor boy" on your forehead nor the devs will make it free just because you can't afford it.
Is that so hard to swallow?I don't know,you should know how economics go on,things aren't always a present,sacrifices are required.

Quote from tristancliffe :

My advice would be to stay in halls. Yes, you'll be a bit worse off, but you'll also benefit from that experience of being in halls. And you'll have somewhere 'private' to study away from home pressures and activities.

A lot of people I know who stayed at home whilst going to university ended up regretting it. Only a few, the most stubborn ones I guess, claim that saving money was the bigger success.

Fair point.
The best thing is to evaluate both world even thou you have just a week.
BTW,my university is 60km away from home and i rarely spent more than 230 euros in a month.Lucky,but my case is really different.

Quote from PedraumF :

IMO, S1 for £8, S2 for £8 and S3 for £8... £36 is way too much.

And about these "If you don't want to pay, fine" guys, I totally disagree... just because I don't want it expensive, or because it's not getting the way I think it's better, it means I have to shut up and get sad?

That's the most ridicolous statement so far.
THEY make the game and THEY decide the right price for it since its THEIR work.
Looks like you already have S2 license so you accepted the contract and bla bla bla.
You won't get any refund,don't you know that?
I mean,seriously,are you really thinking that all this complaining will change something?That's hopeless...
LFS is something you buy because you want to,no one was threatening you with a gun pointing towards your head when clicking on the paypal payment.
You accept and shut up,that's the rule.
Now its damn late for most of your considerations.
If something doesn't suit your tastes you simply let it rot on a shelf...
I see lots of people in Italy buying way overpriced stuff at the stores and never complaining.
On the other hand i see lots of people going to buy from an extracomunitarian and expecting a huge discount.
I can't understand,really...

Quote from Ger Roady :

So i go at this point then and play GP4 again with poor Rain

No one is handcuffing you...