Quote from luchian :

Great news, great work

Quote from PioneerLv :

Bloody stunning. To be honest my mouth was wide open when I saw pic above. The biggest respect Lynce!

Quote from F1 mainiac :

Great stuff Lynce Keep it going .

Thanks, guys.


Good and bad news:

Bad: Development status 24% aprox.

Good news: I'm working from scratch on the Tarmac, Grass, Hill, Rocks and sand to make it on 4096 x 4096.

June 20th is the date of the release of the Fern Bay Landscapes.

Cheers.

Quote from speed senna :

lfsforum should have an own [fmc] topic!

+1

Quote from ImudilaSkyline :

At first I thought I was looking at a real pic Amazing!

Quote from [Audi TT] :

good work, I waiting.

Quote from LFSMasterMan :

Looks awesome lynce! keep up the good work

Quote from wody21 :

Unbeliveable! Maximal respect! Keep it up! (and some more exclamation marks !!! )

Quote from The Very End :

Lol

Well, looks bloody awesome! Looking forward to relase!

Thanks to all.

1st Addon in this month will be released. I mean the Fern Bay Landscapes.

Cheers.

Well...

I always say the same words, obviously by my poor english but in this case I go to do a effort.

I think there isn't videos as your, except some little cases. I enjoyed a lot watching your video because on each video you made you can increase the quality, the composition(I mean the syncronization, but is not that, I mean the feelings across the music in go to the heart of the espectator).

That is the point. I think you did it really and you deserve to be in the hall of fame of this forums and... well, another simulator forums, also.

Nothing more to say, my best wishes, Maik.

Quote from Bose321 :

I didn't mean it like that. I believe it's not relevant to these textures.

When you're releasing stuff keep in mind I'd be happy to give some space over at LFS Database.

Thank you, Omar.

All the information on the RP's Blog.

Quote from Bose321 :

Maybe it's worth testing this across different GPU brands?

I for instance also have those lines on dual ATi 4850's.

I can't upload this file (21 mb only the landscape). I have a very low connection, so I will want to finish all the work to upload with partner's help.

I'm sorry.

Quote from dynofiend :

Looking good Lynce!

Thanks!!


News._




Cheers.

Quote from skiper :

xrt in drift))
and fzr in track)

I don't like the "cut and paste" technique. But I love your shots.

Astonishing.

Keep up the good work.

Related to your rainning shot. I think is your best pic. Fantastic technique. Love it.

Quote from The Very End :

As allways, nice!
By the way, did you find a way to add more textures / random.. uhm.. grass? Meaning that it is not just the same texture repeated, but actually has some variables?

All this time I have worked only on the landscapes. I have a trouble with the screen /monitor and I have stopped the work 3 days. So I haven't worked on the grass. Don't worry I will try another style. I agree with you and Bose.

Thank you as always, brother. I'm very interested in your opinion.

Quote from [Audi TT] :

On picture, see on this lines.

Quote from Bose321 :

I believe that's a problem with the skybox in LFS which isn't a problem of LFS.

I heard it's ATi related, but not sure?

Quote from [Audi TT] :

I don't know. I use a GeForce GTS 250. Probably, Lynce don't those setting use in "DDS plug-in".

No solution. I don't know if it's my graphic card. Ati Radeon Sapphire x1550.

Cheers.

Quote from cargame.nl :

I am still pro sponsorship.

Make a Paypal account and donate button. (Last time I will suggest )

Thank you very much, brother.


News:



More pics and bigger shots on RP's blog.

Cheers.

Quote from FireMike15 :

Feelings like in holiday, I like!

1,000th post, o/.

Quote from The Very End :

Congratulation to you ;p
And by the way, as allways, MINT!

Thank you. As always. Hahahahaha.

Quote from Flame CZE :

Those landscapes look great! But I have a little question. The borders on the tops of the landscapes, I think they could be made sharper than that, or is it an intention? Now they look a bit blurred.

Quote from dynofiend :

Awesome!

One comment though, the boats give the background scale, and they are too big for the distance that they are supposed to be from the track. The boats should be half the size I think? Or not there at all?

Flame - I think the blurring is necessary to get the effect of being in the distance. With a sharp edge the illusion is lost.

Quote from DANIEL-CRO :

I agree with Flame, landscape must be blurry, but bit more flatter.
As always nice textures cant wait for release.

The border is a "test".

Why do I made these changes?

I read your comments and I've thought if was possible improve it and I did it.

I will publish the pics with the final landscapes tomorrow.

Thank you very much guys.

Development status of the RP 2012.

I had some troubles with the monitor/screen (yeah, with the time, everything breaks, hehehehehe).

The development is under 40% aprox.

The final product can be released on August probably.

Cheers.

EDIT:

The blurring is not necessary really. When you see a replay with a short camera angle you can see that the trees and the Background(landscape) has a different focus. That looks very unrealistic. A short camera angle is to see objects far of the user.

That is a trouble. You want to have that effect but is not a good idea in all conditions. I though about it seriously but the conclusion is that isn't realistic in all conditions. Obviously is my opinion and I'm not god but I think is best this way.

I'm glad by your suggestions, dynofiend, anyway. It is interesting read and know about all points of view.

Cheers.

Last edited by Lynce, Mon 28 May 2012, 23:04. Reason : EDIT

A very fantastic job.

Congratulations.

I hope to see more works from you here.

My best wishes for your future works, Daniel.

Cheers.

Quote from dynofiend :

Curbs always show wear more because they are usually textured and have lumps and bumps on them, and because the black rubber marks stand out more. See these pictures attached. I think Lynce has it correct. After a good race the track will look less clean because it will have tyre marks on it. You can see in the photos that the curbs are very worn and marked, but the track is very clean and new, and these are after F1 races where the curbs are usually painted just before the race weekend!

A further comment, I think the one thing that is missing from all Hi-res texture packs, is the trees. These always stand out when racing as being the 'weak link' and I think it is great that you are paying attention to them.

I would also like to draw to your attention, the Hi-res adverts that I added to for Fern Bay a while back http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=70874

That is the point. Nice arguments and good documentation to explain it.



News:







All the information on Rp's Blog.

Cheers.

Quote from Tomson(FIN) :

Woooah! Ive been away like ~2years from the game now, slowly starting to get back to the business and was thinking to try some totally new cars to me.. like Rac, what i never used to drive in the pass. But feeling like something was wrong. It was.. well.. boring

But then i noticed your revolution pack topic, and was totally suprised that you still got strength to improve LFS! so i founded this addon from your revolution pack topic, and was totally shocked about the quality of this addon, just brilliant! Thank you for your good work!

Thank you Tomson.

Cheers.

I recognize that your arguments are very good and difficult to refute. hehehehehe.

I think that this is the most amazing thread that I have worked. I love how people participate and understand very well how it works that in real life some things.


I request, if is possible, posting links or real photos to make the necessary changes if we are agree with them.

Remember that my 60 - 80% of the development is the information before making the file.

I acknowledge that I am reluctant to change the asphalt (that gives a lot of work). But I'm open to improvement and change other aspects.

Thank you very much to all, as always.


EDIT:

Quote from frotto110 :

Next project demo?

1. RP 2012. Fern Bay.

2. High resolution textures for a car. Unconfirmed.

3. Miscs.

4. xxxxxxxxx

5. LFS Magazine number 2

6. If my partner confirm the information: xxxxxxxxxxxx.


I only can confirm that when Fern Bay be completed will be released instead a pack of addons.

Last edited by Lynce, Thu 10 May 2012, 22:42.

Quote from Bose321 :

This is what I mean Lynce: (sorry for the crappy edit :shy.

The curbs look amazing I see, I guess the picture you used made it look a little weird for me.

About the colors of the curbs; the red looks a little too bright and/or saturized at some spots?

I've marked another thing in the second picture at the end of the curb. Can you fix that, or is that because of the bad track model from Eric? Same goes the the line that runs over the track horizontally, when it 'meets' the line that runs along the track it looks interupted.

Another thing maybe; the road looks really nice, but I think it's too 'clean' and a little plain/boring. Could it use some variation like real tarmac? I feel the same about the grass to be honest. Perhaps the tarmac can have some sand like the curbs have (since Fernbay is a sandy track).

Hi, Bose.

The curb is a real photo. So, colours are correct. I haven't worked on the illumination in this case.

Yeah, LFS System again.

I will explain with more detail, replying another quote.

Quote from HonzaNB :

Lynce wrote on his blog.



So that is reason why tarmac is clean.

http://revolutionpack.wordpres ... uggestions-february-25th/

Thanks HonzaNB.

I see you follow the blog.

I explain each case on the blog. I'm worried because people does not read everything.

Quote from wildstyle :

I agree with Bose, the tarmac does look a bit too clean and neat.

Maybe something like this could work as an inspiration. Keep up the good work, Lynce!

Hi, wildstyle. As I said to Bose I will explain in this post

Quote from dynofiend :

The tarmac does look very clean. Asphalt in hotter climates can crack and degrade, and look like the default FB asphalt, especially in tracks that are used infrequently. However, I do not believe that Fern Bay looks like a track that is used infrequently. The rest of the track's infrastructure, the curbs, buildings, adverts, gravel traps and run off areas are all 'neatly kept' and so having heavily degraded asphalt does not match.

We agree that each material has its strength.

Painting is more brittle than asphalt.

The curb is broken down more easily.

It is understood that Fern Bay has a maintenance because, besides being race track is also a runway intended for traffic due to the circuit configuration and because there are houses.

Asphalt, even new or recently in Fern Bay due to erosion and the sand, degrades colour more easily. It is true that the temperature breaks things more easily but it depends on the materials. If there are a mantenience, the tarmac looks clean and clear. The curbs looks old but not for lack of mantenience. It is a different material.

Really that brokes easily is the difference of temperature. Cold and hot conditions. That is not the case in Fern Bay (Jamaica).

I only agree with the grass. I will change it if I can do it.


If the people makes a documentation can see two things:

1. Absolute truth does not exist

2. Everything is possible.

Thank you, dynofiend, fantastic comment.

Last edited by Lynce, Thu 10 May 2012, 10:31.

Quote from Omar1 :

damnn nice! could you do a photo of comparing 2048 to 4096 in the cockpit view? As if you were racing

Quote from Bose321 :

The curb also looks really big to me. Can you show me an image with the new curbs instead of that sliced up image? I am just used to 'smaller' curbs.

Requested pics on the Blog.

Please, click on shots for enlarge.

Quote from luchian :

+1 here

I love the curb !!!

Grass: If you can do something about it, would be most welcomed. Thinking though, that would be visible only when taking screenshots, and much less when driving. So if you ask me, I would put it in second priority.

Anyways, great work

Thank you. I will try it.

Cheers.

Quote from Bose321 :

About the edges of those bushes; their model is pixelated like that, or would some use of transparent textures be able to fix the squary stuff on the top?

Can you explain it with other words for understand it?

I'm very interested on what you say.

Quote from =Wolf=[NO] :

This is freaking epic, your work has always been sweet, but thes is just epic

Can't wait for this pack, love the curb and tree texture, everything look mint imo, keep up the lovely job

Thanks!

Quote from Nicce :

great work as allways Lynce.

that tree/bush textures are awsome.
will be using this when its here fo sure.

Thanks!!

Quote from Waste Me :

I like the grass.
I like the curb.
I have great respect for the work you are doing, well done.

I hope you like it.

Cheers.

Quote from kitu_gudu :

That is a great idea. It would be awesome.


@ grass
If you can, make photorealistic grass textures. High quality is always better. I think that it will be very hard to make the grass less boring because of the way LFS uses textures. If you add some variation, you will notice it repeating and won't look good at all.

@ curb (link to photo)
I think that it looks much better than the original one, but I see a small problem (?). The curb looks a little too shiny in some areas... as if there was a piece of glass covering it. Maybe it's because of the angle, or maybe it's just me... (I am just trying to help)


I have a suggestion. You can have two packs for this add-on. One will have all the texture in the best quality possible, and the other one will have only important textures (e.g. road texture) in high resolution and the rest in lower resolution (e.g. 1024x1024). That way, even users with lower end PCs will be able to use this add-on.

Fantastic comment Kitu_gudu, Thanks.

Grass, +1. I will try it.

Curb. I always work with real life photos. So, in the beggining, I think is normal. I only work on the resolution, proportions and, in some cases, on the illumination. This is not the case of the illumination, hahaha. I think is your impresion. Anyway, I'm glad to read all kinds of suggestions.

Today I'm not sure to the release date and if it will be alone or into a pack.

Over your last suggestion._

I think really that people can change the size of the RP. The planification of the sizes doesn't be changed. I can't rework the sand(rally section) because I work from scratch in 2048 x 2048 as I said(For example: http://i43.tinypic.com/ku838.jpg I mean all that you can see in the photo. Outside of the track, the same(for example: http://i.imgur.com/zu4aq.jpg ). I hope community can understand it.

Quote from logitekg25 :

a agree with the grass, but may not be easy due to it being a bunch of tiny little....well strips (i wouldnt worry too much, but would help)

the curbs i am fine with, and i understand you cannot change the way they are made.

the sand 'blowing around everywhere' will not be noticed by me if i am actually driving, so dont go too insane

I understand. Thank you logitekg.

I'm not in house now. On monday I will post the requested photos.

Point of view inside of the car and the curb.

Most probably that the curb will not be changed.

The grass, well, if people wants I can change it, of course. I can't promise nothing because it's hard to make a realistic grass for Fern bay compatible with other textures. For example the grass on the hill. There will be unsolved bugs with no solution. That is important to understand it.

I was thinking to release this work when it's finished instead to release as a pack as latest works.( Revolution Pack August 28th, April 7th, June 24th).

I remember to the community, there are some files with high definition but other files, for example, the sand, outside of the track and some parts has normal resolution. Is not necessary to increase the resolution because is enough. we need to understand not all the people has the last computer of the market.

Obviously the percentage of the development status is now minor than the last week.

To the people, again, I ask: what do you think over the grass and curb?

Quote from L@gger :

Great job! Wondering if you will make the grass texture at similar photorealistic level.

Hum...

Okay. But I think is not necessary really.

Anyway has been noted because Bose talks about almost the same.

Quote from The Very End :

Wha.....

Thanks as always, my friend.

Quote from Inouva :

or simply dont dont download the pack..., i dont have money to aford a new VC and TBH the HD2600XT is better that the 8600gt

Or, perhaps, if you want, you can decrease the level of the mip bias and decrease the texture filter.

From this way you can win some frames.

Don't worry. We can see a solution for everybody.

Quote from Bose321 :

Great job on those bushes, they have a lot of detail in them! However the grass looks a little boring to me, it's all the same. Would it be possible to have some 'variation' in it or would that be impossible with the mapping method of LFS?

The curb also looks really big to me. Can you show me an image with the new curbs instead of that sliced up image? I am just used to 'smaller' curbs.

But the overall level of detail in these textures really make it an other game! I can't stop saying what some textures can do!

Comments as yours, from Daniel and lauchan, I LOVE them, of course.

But now I'm worried by your comment.

People think the same? I need to know to make a modification or leave it as is.

About grass: I agree with lagger. I can increase the quality.

And...The grass is correct?Fern Bay is on the coast, there are a lot of sand because is pretty close of the some beaches. Wind can carry the sand everywhere. That way the grass has trouble growing by this erosion.

I'm very analytical in everything.


About the curb: I do not agree with you because it is a design from Eric Bailey. I only put the texture on the file and LFS system converts on the 3D model. The texture fills that space. Remember that, before making a texture, I do a exhaustive documentation. Viewing photos in real life I've seeing that anything is possible. There are no absolute truths. Even a bug can exists in real life (cut on a texture, for example).

Of course the opinion of the people are important for me. By this reasson I publish with regularity a lot of photos.

So I ask if people are agree with the curb and the grass.


Thank you Bose, as always.

Last edited by Lynce, Sat 5 May 2012, 11:57.

In tests. Bigger on the blog as always.

Cheers.

Note: That Skin on the screen is from Beefyman666. I saw some time ago, in the finished Skins thread, a guy who was adjudged authorship.

Quote from luchian :

Thanks for the elaborate explanation . Good luck continuing the great job that you do

Thanks to you for the advice anyway.

Bigger on RP's blog._

Quote from bishtop :

Here is some info on lynces rig

1gb RAM. Intel Core 2CPU 6320 @ and 1,86 GHZ x 2.

Ati Radeon Sapphire x1550

Thank you, bishtop.

Thank for your interest, Inouva.

Quote from luchian :

This update will be awaited almost like an official one. Amazing work ! :wow:
One word of advice, Lynce (I suppose you are already doing it, but just in case): Please, Please, make backups from time to time. Looking at your specs, you can always have a bad surprise.. talking from my own experience.

Keep up the great work. Is there anything "we" could do, to help ? (or speed up the release) ?

Thank you very much for your comment.

At first I thought your comment was a joke, but I thought it interesting to clarify certain points.

I've been working freelance for eleven years. Is poorly paid. So I have a computer obsolete.

Therefore, from experience I take these precautions:

1. The hard disk is divided into two parts. One is to run the system (C). The other is to save important things (D). Such as the Revolution Pack directory is in D.

2. I take care of software maintenance such as defrag and format (in red) .. Only format a partition (C). Green.

3. Everything important is in the partition (D).

4. Defragmenting is important, so the system works properly. Access is fast because the files are sorted correctly in the disc. Formatting is done every 3 months.

5. I keep another backup in (G) (in yellow). But only the final files. PSD files are in D (red).

6. When I finish all the work, in this case the first addon, keep a backup in (E). In blue.

7. My partner is responsible for maintaining the hardware. Is made once a year and the task is to clean the CPU.



Cheers.

Quote from wody21 :

IMHO You won't be able to notify lower avg FPS. The loading time - when everything (the textures...) loads - will be a bit longer.

+1.

Comparing the loading time between both there are difference. But not a lot.

When the computer works with higher resolution files, the RAM "works with more effort", so frames can drop.

In my case, with my PC, there 10 frames down.

About suggestions.

I only go to work in 4096 x 4096 for the tarmac. The sand uses 2048 x 2048, but LFS uses this texture two time for the same place. Make your own experiments to understand it. I can't explain it better. I'm sorry.

The rest of the textures would be work in 2048 because is not necessary with more size, really. I mean to the bush, for example. I can make a photorealistic texture in this size.

Summarizing, The revolution Pack 2012 will get I nice quality and I think the low specs computers, as mine, can be work very fine with 60 frames per second (depends of your confguration).

About default textures of the cars:

The second addon will be a car. In the same line of the RP August 28th (FZ50).

About low poly of LFS:

I can't make anything because that violates the agreement. This is a work for Eric Bailey.


As always, thank you very much for all the comments. I read them with attention.

Quote from kitu_gudu :

I have downloaded this files a while ago... until the links in the first post are fixed, you can download using this link:

http://depositfiles.com/files/es4i75rme

Thanks!!

Quote from Omar1 :

damnn nice! could you do a photo of comparing 2048 to 4096 in the cockpit view? As if you were racing

The result is almost the same than 2048 x 2048.

Anyway I will make that photo.

Thanks, omar.

Quote from Bose321 :

Looking great! Thanks for those comparison shots. I think the road texture has to be 4096 (2048 looked good, but not anymore, haha :tilt. I think most other textures (especially the ones more in the background) are fine at 2048.

Lynce, did you rework those tire textures?! They seem to look lighter and sharper than before!

Yes, of course. In 2048 far of the camera is nice.

Not really, but I noted your "suggestion", hehehehe.

Cheers.

Quote from speeddemon6 :

I'm loving the new texture resolution!!! I'm sure this will be a huuuuuuuuuge download when it's done (whenever that happens to be).

Thank you.


Next._



Bigger on the blog. Camera angle = 30º.

Almost the same in 10º.