Quote from tristancliffe :

Just to clarify the points above:

Flatspots DO NOT cause smoke, it is ONLY hotspots that do. It is possible to have a flatspot without excess temperature (i.e. it cools down), and it is possible to have a hotspot without a flatspot (it got hot, but didn't wear the tyre excessively).

Please don't confuse the two, as they are very different.

So if I got this right, I don't need to worry about it...
I always get this after last chican on AS2... couse I lock the right front tyre alot there...
Can I see/feel/other if the tyre has a hotspot or flatspot!?

/Mike

Thanks for the answers, not that weird then...
I have problems with locked wheels...

I see smoke puffs from my car in my rear mirror, what is it?
I think it looks silly...
Engine broken?
I know that you can get the "popcorn" sound but havent heard that lately...
But I see the smoke very often on straigths... illepall

regards mike

I was thinking ... i think alot today...
We are all racers and want to have clean and fun racing, would it be impossible to setup som guidelines what we follow and learn new racers to follow when talking about passing and blue flag.
I know there has been alot of discussion about what is right and wrong, but somehow we (community) should find a way to compromise a nice guideline in overtaking and what to do and not do on lfs race tracks.
Maybe this is utopia, but it would be very nice to have a common understanding between racers.
(maybe it's just me who doesnt know what is common knowledge...)

All IRL racers have these guidelines/rules, dont they?
Does all race classes IRL have different guides/rules?
Nothing in common?
Could we take a rule from real race class that most of us can live with?
I think BLUE flag meaning and overtaking guides would be a good start...
What do you think?
Is there guidelines that I have missed? (where can I find them)

I dont like to talk about rules, becouse then we have someone like me screming "You didn obey the rules!!" and that will ruin everything...

Quote from JTbo :

Ah, there is not anything fun at overtaking if it is done by pushing poor fellow racer to grass or wall, whole thrill of online racing comes from overtaking, proper tactic, making fake attempts letting braking late or braking early, quite often I find that other driver that I press is driving out without me even touching him, that is odd

I think that winning is quite meaningless for me, it is all about attack and defence, success or loss, no matter I enjoy what I do. Sometimes it takes few laps to adjust to other drivers style, only by then I start overtaking if other driver is anywhere near my times, it is not the pray, it is all about hunting

I'm not very fast driver and I make mistakes quite a lot, but always I do my best to not hit others, wish to see others do this too.

I know why i hit the wall without ppl touching me, just pressing me.
It's couse I can't take another line than what I have learned to drive fast, hope learn all the lines/tricks but i think it will take time.

Quote from danowat :

Yup, if I am not a lap down, and fighting for places I'll make that bugger work for the place, even if I am 2-3 seconds down I'll make it as hard as possible for them.

Its my place, and I am entitled to fight for it, being blue flagged is something completely different.

Dan,

Thanks, now you all have work harder to pass me!

Quote from danowat :

Yup, I also fight tooth and nail to keep any place that I have, as people who have raced behind me will know, IMO, thats part of the whole racing experiance, it would be boring if you just yeilded everytime someone was behind you, and I make it as hard as possible for them to pass.

Blue flagging is a little different as it means the slower driver is (at least) a lap behind.

Dan,

Ok, so even if you are 2-3+ seconds slower on a minute lap you fight him?
I just want to know where to fight and where to let go...
Ofcourse i won't leave open door to someone whos only 0.5 seconds faster...

Quote from cmckowen :

id rather say try keep the guy behind, fight for position. When driving under pressure you quite often end up with 2 results, either you making a mistake and giving the position away hence you lost nothing. Or you can exceed your known driving skills and walk awat with a new pb and possibly a race win. LFS is about racing hard rather than letting faster people by
.

That is a good tip, but Im not that good...
What happens to me sometimes, is that I get the fast guy on my inside or outside and then Im in trouble keeping a line trough the corner without taking him or me out...

Quote from Biohazard :

there is no proof it was me!!!11!1111etc.

i got to admit it isn´t so unusual that a backmarker is hit by me.
in most cases i don´t even want to touch them, but there are some people out there who do have problems to handle the car.
so it happens that right in the moment you want to overtake them, i tend to do that close, these guys just change their line, creating some "smaller" problems
fortunately i don´t have problems with backmarkers that often. but i think i can remember of an incident last night, racing on the same server as you...

Not pointing any fingers at anyone, could have been you, could have been ME or anyone else...
I must say that in most servers where I have been racing it's clean and nice racing even on them last night...
Just wanted to check the overall thinking...

/Mike

The sum of the poll (this far...):
Most of the racers try not to drive other racers off track, even if they can be passed themselves.
Some think its ok to push slower drivers off track.

How to: (this is how I do, Im not an aggressive racer, and I loose allot but not always... but Im having really fun when racing...)
I try to keep track of racers around me.
Someone near that is much faster than me? =
Ill let him pass, show him that I want him to pass, place my car on a side of the track.
I don't brake!
Ill let go off the throttle and slam it to bottom when he has passed me, then Ill have a go at him.
Ill try to keep up close behind him, maybe I can make him stressed and he will end up making a mistake in next corner.
And Ill don't be too close if I don't know 100% where his breakpoints are!

Someone approaching me fast? = I try to think where he will get up behind me, and let him pass as above.
Someone wiggling in front of me? = Ill be careful and try passing with speed in straights.
Someone making unexpected brakes, taking weird lines, missing apex etc. = Ill be careful and try passing with speed in straights.

I keep distance, learn where the slower driver is slower, check where I can make my move clean!
If someone is drafting really close in curves, I let him pass as soon as possible, even if I don't get blue flag else the risk is that we both end up eating grass.
And this will prevent him to bump me out in a corner.

I won't go deep into BLUE flag I think there is someone else who can explain it better than me.
But be careful to not takeout the car behind, let him pass as soon as possible, don't brake or wiggle around on the track.
Show him clearly you intentions.

T1 wait and see what happens, there is a big chance that there will be a pileup in T1 and T2 after start.
Let them spin off and you can easily just pass them with idle throttle...

regards Mike

Quote from Jakg :

no - thats bloody dangerous illepall

Quote from vanirl :

For any decent racer what is the problem if per chance they do not win a race or two.

Experienced drivers need to provide good example to any new people by NOT deliberately bumping. Otherwise where does it end - where does one draw the line.illepall


If a new driver IS blocking all over the place let him / her know the error of his / her ways and if necessary ban them from the server (having of course advised him of the etiquette of LFS and the new to let drivers pass on the blue flag and given them a chance to resolve their bad driving).
That way they get to know the ropes and understand that good driving is required at all times.



Lead by example.

"Lead by example. "

Quote from spankmeyer :

I agree and wasn't really going for the hanging verdict or personal bashing. Instead I would have liked to see with my own eyes just how the noob vs. alien unfolded, as all we have now is your testimony how the slow dude 'was 100% clean' and things are rarely that simple.

But giving the hard candy for slow people ahead of you - that's not good, mmmkay.

Ok.. Well as you say this is my testimony and this is what I saw, ofcourse I can be wrong in what I saw... even if I had a replay I wouldnt upload it, I think you know why...
Maybe I can make a new poll about if someone else has seen this kind of move...
This poll still says that there is some ppl that think this kind of move is ok and many that think it's not ok, and that was just what I wanted to know... even if the whole post could be a fiction...
With my litle experience, this still was a counted move...
I was looking what lines the uber alien was driving to have those fast lap times when I saw this...

hugs

Quote from spankmeyer :

I'm filing this under 'innocent until the replay is posted'.

There is no replay and this isnt a post about hanging someone... thats why Im so anonymous about who, what, where and when...

Quote from Jakg :

depends - irl in Karting (rental karts, need i say more?!) when i have someone on a Blue who isn't yeilding i DO bump them, but not to spin them, just to show my anger! In LFS i might push a non-yeidling blue-flagger out of the way, but only by going up the inside, and pushing their nose wide at the Apex, but nothing more as that IS (to me at least) wrecking

Do you bump them in turns too?
I think a litle bump on a straight would work in LFS too...
What Im talking about was a really counted move, the alien driver knew exactly where to bump and how hard to hit... I can think that the noob driver didnt notice it, maybe he just tought that he loosed the grip and went straight of...

Quote from wsinda :

Can you describe the newb's behaviour? Was he
- blocking illegally (swerving etc.)
- driving defensively
- simply sticking to his line
- driving like an absolute noob (= dangerously incompetent)
- waiting for a suitable spot to let the alien pass

-Not blocking, or swerving...
-Not driving defensively...
-Sticking to his line, Yes, becouse he couldnt take another line in that chicane...
-driving like an abolute noob... Nope
-Waiting... Maybe, he never got the time to do that...

This question has probably been asked many times...
But I was watching some lfs racing last night, when I see this uber alien making really fast lap times...
Well ofcourse he will get up on a blue flagged noobs ass and when he couldnt pass he bumped him right in a corner and let the noob eat some wall...
I dont like this kind of mentality...
Maybe I wouldnt care if it was a demo server, but on a licensed server...

So what do you think!?

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

And where should I know what socket has my Asus P4S-X and which these CPU-s have? Do not say to check it in my computer

Looks like a Intel Pentium Socket 478...
I think these procs can be used with that board:
Pentium M 740-780 Socket 478...
Not sure call your local dealer and ask.

regards Mike

Im 34 i think, can't really know for sure anymore...

Never seen this bug untill u22.

When Im online and hit shift+F4 to go small-view, the window for LFS goes black.
I hear the game and buttons still working but can't see anything on the screen even if I hit shift+F4 again to go back to maximum view.
Only way is to shutdown LFS and start it again.
- Changing screen resolution in LFS doesnt help...
- This is not happening every time i hit shift+F4...

I will check my video and directx versions when I get back home...

My first try making carpark scene...

Quote from dev :

I would actualy very much like to see shift + s removed from the game It's not like you can teleport to the pit in a real race

You should be able to disable shift+s on a server if you want that.
Very good to have when you are tuning your car in practice session.

/mike

Quote from Streets Ghost :

mike

Ian scens you can download from here http://ds-autos.digiserv.net/scenes.php


You turtorial has use only to import cmx, in to scens Ian
it will not let probably

Yep, that's with cmx import.Now I have been looking at the Ian scene and that is a challenge.
I can't find how to use the defult images in dds to wrap them to the sidewall.
The only way I can see it right now is to make your own image that is made with the text in a circle and then apply it to the sidewall.
That is too much work for me right now to make a tutorial.
Maybe someone else can help you out.

/mike

Quote from EsCoRt RaLLy :

Well as topic says im in need of some help. I started using 3dsmax 8 some weeks ago and sofar everything is working great. I'm using Ian's scenes for rendering, but as you probably know there is no tyre sidewall logo in these scenes. I have tried to apply them myself but i just cant get it to work

So could anyone tell me how to add them? A tutorial would be awesome!

Can I donwload Ians scene somewhere, ill can try and make a tutorial for it.

/mike

Check this if it helps, only for michelin logo...
If you want bridgestone i think you have to make a bridgestone image first.
Can't remeber how i did it.

http://lfslogotut.swemike.com/

Last edited by mike20002, Fri 15 Sep 2006, 10:41. Reason : Link added...

Quote from Meanie :

Hello, i don't know if this is frowned upon (asking for setups) here but anyway...

I'm a newbie and do not understand how to set up my car properly and so.
I've been using the "Inferno" setups and doing quite alright with those.

But now i need a good setup for KY GP Long on the FO8.
Can anyone help me?

Thanks a lot.

ps: it's a 14 laps (no pit) race, if that helps
thanks

I have done pretty good lap times with teaminfernos KY National on KY GP Long FO8.
Try that if it works for you too.

/mike