Don´t think there is a money back warranty but there is a good european replacement warranty. It´s of course always a gamble with new wheels but it´s worth the shot. the G25 has it´s issues with the shifter, some got bad wheels as well so it´s not a safe bet either 
As for noise it make a different kind of noise more appealing but I wouldn´t say the G25 is that noisy in comparison. It seems this differ a lot between different G25 wheels some seem to be better then others. Also I have now got a bit of what sounds like belt whine at times with my 911. Mostly in arcade racing games where I use 180 degrees and tons of fast movements so well I call that round even.
I am not trying to convince you on the G25 lol but don´t expect it to be totally silent
I am not trying to convince you on the G25 lol but don´t expect it to be totally silent
You certainly have a go ahead with me on the 911 I rarely if ever use my G25 now it´s only for testing purposes.
Or just for safety reasons I wouldn´t want to break my thumbs on a force feedback wheel that is overkill
I think it´s quite obvious in the GRID demo with only 50 % force feedback that it´s fast enough.
I think it´s quite obvious in the GRID demo with only 50 % force feedback that it´s fast enough.
I don´t agree it´s too strong at all. I have a hard time feeling pedals that is too soft you end up braking to hard and with full brake pressure for to long. It´s definiatly not stiffer then my real cars quite the opposite. But then I don´t race my real cars and hardly ever use full brake pressure . I can pump it all day long without fatigue though but I do get fatigue from the force feedback instead. Really wish I would get my cockpit soon 
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. I can pump it all day long without fatigue though but I do get fatigue from the force feedback instead. Really wish I would get my cockpit soon .
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That´s really strange I never had any issues in LFS with the beta. I haven´t tried with the retail.
Yeah you could but I have enough trouble trusting the wireless dongle no less would I be able to trust pedals only powered by batteries lol.
Sucky way to get a dnf on and for sure it would happen some time I am absolutely positive on.
Sucky way to get a dnf on and for sure it would happen some time I am absolutely positive on.
You would also need a longer cable.
I of course don´t know what promises Fanatec did to you Niels just talking in general about how fanatec handled the beta test. I am sorry if you feel they don´t live up to the promises. For me I was quite happy just beta testing it. I get to try a new wheel and I pay buy listing issues and giving recommendations as well as giving reviews. Everything above that is freebies that´s why I react a bit.
For free I meant you wanted the opportunity to test the product for free for 30 days and then send it back if you don´t like it. We all know you can´t sell used wheel as new ones (well obviously you can if you have the heart to do it lol)
As always there is hardly any hardware without issues. I got issues with all my previous wheels to various extent. But I guess it can be easier to buy a product you have never beta tested since then you will assume it will not have any issues more than if you tested a beta unit that of course has issues...
I took a gamble and so far it seems I took the jackpot However I guess I would be a lot less happier if I didn´t dual boot already haven´t been able to install the drivers correctly in XP. First hardware/software ever that works in vista 64-bit but not XP I think
I did consider just keeping the beta wheel because the wheel itself worked well for me with only light centering issues and it was free but thought it was worth it. I am not sure I would have gone for it if I had to pay the full price then I may have waited a bit to see how the next fanatec wheel pans out or the Frex wheel. Would probably be cheaper though since I suspect I will buy one of those too and increase my score of steering wheels. Sold one so I have only 4 now
For free I meant you wanted the opportunity to test the product for free for 30 days and then send it back if you don´t like it. We all know you can´t sell used wheel as new ones (well obviously you can if you have the heart to do it lol)
As always there is hardly any hardware without issues. I got issues with all my previous wheels to various extent. But I guess it can be easier to buy a product you have never beta tested since then you will assume it will not have any issues more than if you tested a beta unit that of course has issues...
I took a gamble and so far it seems I took the jackpot
However I guess I would be a lot less happier if I didn´t dual boot already haven´t been able to install the drivers correctly in XP. First hardware/software ever that works in vista 64-bit but not XP I think I did consider just keeping the beta wheel because the wheel itself worked well for me with only light centering issues and it was free but thought it was worth it. I am not sure I would have gone for it if I had to pay the full price then I may have waited a bit to see how the next fanatec wheel pans out or the Frex wheel. Would probably be cheaper though since I suspect I will buy one of those too and increase my score of steering wheels. Sold one so I have only 4 now
But you guys have the wrong view on things... When you got to try the beta wheel it was very clear it was a beta test. You signed to try it out it was voluntary and hasn´t cost you a bit. You regret that you ever got to lay hands on the wheel I assume then...
Beta wheels have issues if they wouldn´t neither logitech, Fanatec or anyone would produce prototypes and let people use them and find errors that don´t exist. It costs money for sure and there is no return if there weren´t any issues.
It was a superb bonus you actually get to keep them for free not having to send them back. Also fair to let you buy the retail wheel for half the price. But really how can you judge the retail wheel from the beta is beyond me. Trust me you will never ever buy anything that is beta then if you go by that. Then you had no clue what it was you signed up upon.
Now I guess you have to pay full price to get it but that is just fair because of your lack of faith in Fanatec
. They will get the people like me and others who has the retail wheel already and see that the centering issues are gone so you don´t need fanatec to send another freebie your way you had your chance and missed out on a great opportunity
Get the G25 if you preferred the feel of it for sure the wheel is quite identical minus the centering issues. Pedals are a lot better now and on par with the G25 in term of feel for sure. Durability is yet to see of course but the pedals don´t quirk or anything so hopefully they will hold up better. You should buy one just for seeing how much the pedals has improved and sell on ebay or something if you still preferr the G25.
Beta wheels have issues if they wouldn´t neither logitech, Fanatec or anyone would produce prototypes and let people use them and find errors that don´t exist. It costs money for sure and there is no return if there weren´t any issues.
It was a superb bonus you actually get to keep them for free not having to send them back. Also fair to let you buy the retail wheel for half the price. But really how can you judge the retail wheel from the beta is beyond me. Trust me you will never ever buy anything that is beta then if you go by that. Then you had no clue what it was you signed up upon.
Now I guess you have to pay full price to get it but that is just fair because of your lack of faith in Fanatec
. They will get the people like me and others who has the retail wheel already and see that the centering issues are gone so you don´t need fanatec to send another freebie your way you had your chance and missed out on a great opportunity Get the G25 if you preferred the feel of it for sure the wheel is quite identical minus the centering issues. Pedals are a lot better now and on par with the G25 in term of feel for sure. Durability is yet to see of course but the pedals don´t quirk or anything so hopefully they will hold up better. You should buy one just for seeing how much the pedals has improved and sell on ebay or something if you still preferr the G25.
I have yet to see the centering issues arrise on my retail wheel . I do get the force feedback stops that is a bit off but that really don´t matter much to me. Off as in say 176 and -184 there is no jumps from 160-180 now smooth all the way.
Would be nice if you could manually adjust these somehow though for control freaks like myself lol.
. I do get the force feedback stops that is a bit off but that really don´t matter much to me. Off as in say 176 and -184 there is no jumps from 160-180 now smooth all the way.Would be nice if you could manually adjust these somehow though for control freaks like myself lol.
I got the retail wheel yesterday and I can promise you it´s not a bad wheel
no it´s the right dongle email sent
ArrAssAdor I got the retail wheel and can´t install any drivers 
. Well they install but I just get the ordinary windows control panel not the fanatec one.
. Well they install but I just get the ordinary windows control panel not the fanatec one.I would say chill until the fanatec 911 turbo wheel is out and see how that fares . It´s a bit more expensive but judging from the beta wheel I expect it to be a lot better overall as well.
If all goes to plan people should start getting them this week or next week latest.
. It´s a bit more expensive but judging from the beta wheel I expect it to be a lot better overall as well. If all goes to plan people should start getting them this week or next week latest.
Act labs shifter is not at all of the same quality. The SST Lightning shifter you could run over and expect to work flawlessly . I got one got nothing bad to say about it. It´s not designed to have a realistic feel it feel much tighter and precise instead. Better feel than any real gearbox I have ever used and you can slam in the gears and never worry
. I got one got nothing bad to say about it. It´s not designed to have a realistic feel it feel much tighter and precise instead. Better feel than any real gearbox I have ever used and you can slam in the gears and never worry DFP GT is quite a bit cheaper. I guess it´s depending on your budget.
I sold my fanatec 911 turbo beta wheel and am back at G25 now... I thought I would get used to it again. I mean I really liked it prior to testing the fanatec wheel, but the wheel doesn´t feel right in any sim I run anymore... So even if it´s cheaper I must say I preferr the fanatec wheel by far. Same as for the shifter.
Now as mentioned only tested the beta wheel yet (ordered the retail should be shipping right now but the changes made there seem to improve it even more especially the pedals. So may be wise to play cool until reviews and users with the retail fanatec wheel has reported in. It has much higher potential then the G25 for sure.
I used the G25 pedals while testing the fanatec (nixim progressive brake mod modded) for my PC sims. The pedals are really good even though both the brake and throttle spring has softened a lot compared to when it was new.... I may try to change the throttle spring for the clutch. PS 3 as I understand it won´t support multiple controllers so that is a problem. But for arcade games I am confident I will run the fanatec 911 Turbo wheel. Quite sure GT 5 as well depending on how good brake control primarily you need and of course how well the new fanatec 911 turbo pedals functions .
But really for feel the fanatec wheel can´t be beaten unless paying three times as much... Unless the Frex FFB wheel get cheaper then expected... I haven´t spotted any difference in lap times with these two wheels. Though since the Fanatec wheel have stronger force feedback I tend to be smoother with it, while on the other hand with less force on the G25 you can correct slides faster
The drawback here is of course fatigue... The G25 has very weak force feedback even at 100 % in comparison. There is often no force feedback acting on the G25 as well so it´s easier on your body for sure.
I sold my fanatec 911 turbo beta wheel and am back at G25 now... I thought I would get used to it again. I mean I really liked it prior to testing the fanatec wheel, but the wheel doesn´t feel right in any sim I run anymore... So even if it´s cheaper I must say I preferr the fanatec wheel by far. Same as for the shifter.
Now as mentioned only tested the beta wheel yet (ordered the retail should be shipping right now but the changes made there seem to improve it even more especially the pedals. So may be wise to play cool until reviews and users with the retail fanatec wheel has reported in
. It has much higher potential then the G25 for sure.I used the G25 pedals while testing the fanatec (nixim progressive brake mod modded) for my PC sims. The pedals are really good even though both the brake and throttle spring has softened a lot compared to when it was new.... I may try to change the throttle spring for the clutch
. PS 3 as I understand it won´t support multiple controllers so that is a problem. But for arcade games I am confident I will run the fanatec 911 Turbo wheel. Quite sure GT 5 as well depending on how good brake control primarily you need and of course how well the new fanatec 911 turbo pedals functions . But really for feel the fanatec wheel can´t be beaten unless paying three times as much... Unless the Frex FFB wheel get cheaper then expected... I haven´t spotted any difference in lap times with these two wheels. Though since the Fanatec wheel have stronger force feedback I tend to be smoother with it, while on the other hand with less force on the G25 you can correct slides faster
The drawback here is of course fatigue... The G25 has very weak force feedback even at 100 % in comparison. There is often no force feedback acting on the G25 as well so it´s easier on your body for sure.
Yes and no...
The wheel itself is miles better in term of grip/feel, force feedback. The beta wheel has it´s issues and the drivers need optimizing but it´s already much better then the G25. The pedals I have yet to test the retail pedals but I don´t expect them to be as good as the G25 but who knows. The beta units pedals is not totally acceptable for this price range but it´s beta and has been lots of changes for the retail product.
Shifter they both have their issues but I do preferr the Fanatecs shifters overall... If it´s worth an upgrade well it´s frustrating to run with the G25 wheel now that I am used to the 911 Turbo but well what you don´t have you don´t miss... If you ar planning on after market pedals there is no question it´s the 911 Turbo wheel you should get. I was very happy with my G25s feel and force feedback prior to running the 911 Turbo wheel. However as mentioned the G25 pedals was better so I used it´s pedals and the 911 Turbo wheel for my racing so not sure if it will permanently replace it. But you can do worse then have a G25 as backup wheel
The wheel itself is miles better in term of grip/feel, force feedback. The beta wheel has it´s issues and the drivers need optimizing but it´s already much better then the G25. The pedals I have yet to test the retail pedals but I don´t expect them to be as good as the G25 but who knows
. The beta units pedals is not totally acceptable for this price range but it´s beta and has been lots of changes for the retail product.Shifter they both have their issues but I do preferr the Fanatecs shifters overall... If it´s worth an upgrade well it´s frustrating to run with the G25 wheel now that I am used to the 911 Turbo but well what you don´t have you don´t miss... If you ar planning on after market pedals there is no question it´s the 911 Turbo wheel you should get. I was very happy with my G25s feel and force feedback prior to running the 911 Turbo wheel
. However as mentioned the G25 pedals was better so I used it´s pedals and the 911 Turbo wheel for my racing so not sure if it will permanently replace it. But you can do worse then have a G25 as backup wheel lol it wasn´t me... Remember to put in the differences between the beta and the retail wheel this time ...
...If you are going to use a gamepad don´t use a horrible one like the PS 2 get the MS xbox 360 gamepad for use on PC works brilliant with "analogue" triggers . I don´t think they are truly analogue there seem to be three stages in them
It´s not cheap but there is the best gamepad out there. But you should get a wheel. It makes it much more fun and immersive even though it makes you slower in arcade games especially
. I don´t think they are truly analogue there seem to be three stages in them It´s not cheap but there is the best gamepad out there. But you should get a wheel. It makes it much more fun and immersive even though it makes you slower in arcade games especially
Because it´s a bit misleading... Where do you state for example that the wheel is NOT the same as the retail wheel. You mention it´s beta and there is no warranty but not the many significant changes that is available on the retail wheels...
People who buy it think it will be pretty much the same wheel as the retail... Also does your wheel have none of the centering issues, deadzone on pedals etc or other beta wheel issues? If so you should mention all faults on it and again not compare it to retail wheel and how much they cost... It´s not the same wheel.
I would never sell my beta wheel for that price I would feel like I am fooling someone. Maybe there is a young guy reading up on the wheel thinking it´s awesome but can´t afford to buy it off the shelf so he tries ebay... I have offered mine for 50 euro approx. Seemed fair because I am not sure new drivers will fix the centering issues and other stuff that almost all beta wheel seem to have more or less
Guess it goes for anyone here as well if so pm me I can describe the state it´s in.
People who buy it think it will be pretty much the same wheel as the retail... Also does your wheel have none of the centering issues, deadzone on pedals etc or other beta wheel issues? If so you should mention all faults on it and again not compare it to retail wheel and how much they cost... It´s not the same wheel.
I would never sell my beta wheel for that price I would feel like I am fooling someone
. Maybe there is a young guy reading up on the wheel thinking it´s awesome but can´t afford to buy it off the shelf so he tries ebay... I have offered mine for 50 euro approx. Seemed fair because I am not sure new drivers will fix the centering issues and other stuff that almost all beta wheel seem to have more or less Guess it goes for anyone here as well if so pm me I can describe the state it´s in.
I hope you aren´t selling the beta wheel for that price but the one you get to buy for half the price
True but the 911 Turbo is a german wheel so they are probably biased 
Looks cheap in comparison with what
Yes they are slower essentially... More lag before they start to track and not as smooth. TrackIR 3 PRO or better you should go for
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