Well, im 100% noob in ffb hardware/software, but just dont get it, how steering resolution may differ from ffb resolution.

Anyway, that issue might be extra important in new patch so absolute +1 here

Hmm, dont have a wheel rn to check, but honestly i thought that the FF steps setting is about resolution (like 10000 steps = 65536 converted to decimal)
Thats weird, lol

Quote from rane_nbg :

Let's revive it. I'll start: - full 16bit resolution (65536 steps) support for...

Wow
Isn't it 16 bit already?

Quote from Evolution_R :

I wonder why almost every thread leads to that same old nonsense posts every single time, resulting in locking it.

Why can't be a little more positive and inspiring? Ah.

Totally agree, but my question is how about some good old self-irony instead

Quote from MousemanLV :

Perfection is the enemy of good.

Lets face it, LFS is the enemy of good by itself

Ok, lets start real talk now

This particular acc was never shared, so u gotta chill guys

Quote from Scawen :

I'm disappointed by the lack of understanding going on now.

The point is the lack of updates as far as i understand. Considering you as a very passionate developer, some people may understand that things are not easy so far, but, still, plenty of them just need some kind of approval. This is not related to the game itself, nor the gameplay provided by the TC or JaR or idk. The tempo of LFS development just doesnt suit the modern(shitty) world, so people try to entertain themselve in this game more and more. Selling TC currency for real $$$ = TC issue, not (direct) devs problem cmon, lol. Shared accounts - same. Im telling u this as a very long-term shared acc user(never cruise, only drift and race)

Sounds like a cruise absolute goal is staying away from ban list

Reminds me of tobacco settlement payments lol
Poor victims of Scawen are on the road to monetize their habits by the cost of common sense

Quote from hsvdin0 :

Greetings from the Cash Dealer on [TC] (Total TC Cash sold: 10,008,886 for 993.84 €)

https://i.redd.it/2pdqcmfn8yha1.png

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Two separate in Russia
Just to mention that

Quote from MousemanLV :

5-7 laps? When you are mostly close to full lock it's over in 3 laps easily.

For as1r its 30+ lol
My point here is the ability to drive different, not only full lock
Possible with default cars, but not with drift mods

IMO, the issue is in MODS themselve, tyre physics just wont work in a proper way, so tires die faster

5-7 fe3r or so4r laps of tandem drift is pretty common in LFS drifting community (XRT, normal tyres)

Quote from rane_nbg :

I find that I get most fps in all scenarios with this set to 1. The rest you mentioned is very good suggestion for setting for low end PC.

I know the struggle

Options - Graphics - Shadow type-off, Full-scene AA and mirror AA-none, textures-low res
Options - Misc - Maximum buffered frames 2, Full physics for remote cars-no

Ctrl+Alt+del after u start the game - task manager - details tab - right click lfs.exe - set priority-high
Killing background processes like browser, discord and etc will also help

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/99913
And finally a must-have for weak integrated gpus (install in LFS/dds folder)

100% pro-choice

Wrong decisions yes yes yes
Legit user no no no

Woren out belts change their length - just an another point from car world, but its more about cam timing precision not transmission.
Absolutely agree with u Rane, but mostly about constantly fixed ratio of geared elements such as encoder-to-motor and etc.
Speaking about wheels in general, well just wanna say that i had a DFGT back in the days, and still consider it as a bang for a buck even compared with t300
In the other hand, Logi wheels use 2ms usb polling(confirmed for g27 and momo which is even 10ms) while t300 is as fast as a decent gaming mice(1ms), and lets be honest 12 bits provides x16 more resolution than 8 bits
I dont say u guys are all wrong, but all those hardware and software details must be understood correct, and then u probably will decide to just stay on mouse or g27

P.S. Dude who started the topic asking nothing except of trueforce™ in LFS is now like "WTF..."

Last edited by paket42x, Sun 14 Jan 2024, 19:51.

Quote from rane_nbg :

On my G29, it's a bit smoother. In old lfs ffb was 25Hz with 200 steps, once I set 100Hz and anything => 400 steps it was noticeable and better. In my T300, up to about 1000 steps you can feel that ffb is smoother, above that there is no difference, probably they have somewhat higher pwm resolution, but the frequency is lower, one can even hear the squicky noises comming out at 8kHz.

You shouldn't be worried about how 10000 steps will be scaled down to 400 or what ever is pwm signal resolution in logi wheels. Those are a very simple operations with integer numbers, no overflow or truncating will occur. Their firmware will handle it just fine.

Btw, t300 base is about 12 bits, if my google skills still OK
Never gonna buy Thrustmaster or Logi(again), but i hope u understood my point here

Hmm, understood. Smoother sounds legit for me

Quote from rane_nbg :

All good, except I would set FF steps to 10000 and let logi wheel firmware deal with it and use as much as PWM resolution available. I believe that the motor is powered by an H-bridge driven with a PWM signal at 20kHz with 400 steps of resolution, but I didn't measure it, I just saw someone mentioned maybe Scawen himself that no more than 400 steps is available, due to low res PWM signal.

Not familar with ffb wheel firmware and hardware too lol, but im pretty sure its not a good idea to rely on DSP inside cheap Logi gaming wheel. Bit reduction(truncate) always provide a bunch of unwanted artifacts when it comes to digital signal processing.
Is there a real competitive difference between 200 and 10000 FF steps on a g27-29 and etc? Who knows

Options=Controls-wheel/joystick-Axes/FF
Force feedback yes
FF Rate 100hz
FF Steps 200 or 400 (Logi wheels are low-res, 8 bits or kind of)
Remove deadzones no
Then go to Options-Display
Show pedals yes
Go drive-search for FF clipping indicator at the bottom of the screen
If indicator become red use "<" key
Drive and enjoy LFS

I didnt report you or any posts of you.
The fact of your belief is a simple denial

Quote from rane_nbg :

I'd like to read it as well Beleive it or not, to an experienced eye (not mine) what and how we write can tell a lot about our mental state. It would certainly be more interesting read than these depressing super long posts.

I have some kind of an experienced eye too haha, sadly shes not being too optimistic about me

Speaking about Aleksandr(Alexey) personality, just wanna point out that some of us may find Arguments™ and Rules™ as their own personal defensive tools - nothing more, nor less than a tool. As a head admin of cracked game for last 7-8 years he was some kind of guy pretending to be down to regular players, but in reality, i believe, it just made him a person who hates when others enjoy something more than he does. Pretty common for some people who got Admin Powers™, even in this small community

So, all those speeches fullfilled with sophism, and ChatGPT + Google Translate stuff is nothing more than his usual honest reaction to questions like: "Why i was ip banned for 1 year/2 years/permanently?" Cracked servers (RU) are completely dead nowadays, so idk. Some kind of inertia made him appear here and create clickbait topics.