@ DavidSS 
Dam good post, one of the best I've seen written on the subject - and also mirrors my experience.
I switched from chase to cockpit view, it was strange and hard at first, but I persevered and am now thinking that chase cam is something we all go through, - but when you want that something that is missing, you will only find it behind the wheel.
I think a larger preferably wide screen helps though.
Dam good post, one of the best I've seen written on the subject - and also mirrors my experience.
I switched from chase to cockpit view, it was strange and hard at first, but I persevered and am now thinking that chase cam is something we all go through, - but when you want that something that is missing, you will only find it behind the wheel.
I think a larger preferably wide screen helps though.
So are you saying - that using chase cam will make up for a lack of skill?
Well, I do agree.
Seems pretty obvious to me.
Cockpit view indicates someone who goes for realism, and enjoys the feel of the car.
chase cam indicates a more casual gamer type driver, who just wants to race
Yup kinda agree here, no matter how far away the corner is, - he only has to see as far as his monitor
Still not an excuse - hundreds may read your post, many of them may be children, and you think its OK to be foul mouthed? - as far as I know there is no option to switch it off.
You may discuss, you may argue, you may even get angry, but bad language has no place on a public forum - even if it is implied.
I have a 37" widescreen about 1 mtr in front of me - hey guess what, thats about the same size as my real car screen.
And when I am racing I never look out of my side windows (You see, its a bit dangerous) - except when I'm cornering, but then I have the game options set so that as I turn my wheel I can see around the corner - perhaps you need to set your game up properly.
No - it seems to come naturally
Of course it is fair,
The servers that you cannot join are those that want a fair and more realistic driving competition.
The drivers on these servers want everybody to have the same advantages or disadvantages - sounds fair to me.
If you want your fly by wire view, then join a server that allows it - then it is still fair.
Its a bit like joining a server where everybody there has agreed to drive a 400hp car and you want to join with a 500hp car
Sim racing tonight did a review of the Nixim brake mod and seemed quite impressed with it, - check out episode five here -
http://simracingtonight.com/
I use it and its the best and cheapest improvement in my kit I bought for years
Get it fitted romus74 and increase your ingame brake settings per wheel to about 1800 to start with, adjust it to your taste after that - bet you don't go back to a standard set of pedals.
Oh - and I paid £8.45 for mine
@ JO53PHS
You need to find a very very soft piece of rubber
http://simracingtonight.com/
I use it and its the best and cheapest improvement in my kit I bought for years
Get it fitted romus74 and increase your ingame brake settings per wheel to about 1800 to start with, adjust it to your taste after that - bet you don't go back to a standard set of pedals.
Oh - and I paid £8.45 for mine
@ JO53PHS
You need to find a very very soft piece of rubber
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.......So thats the best you can do to support your argument that someone is telling you how to drive...hmmmm!
- More a statement of fact , - than a command.
Actually I would say that, that is probably true of any driving game that calls itself a "Simulator".
As I say, each to his own, - but lets not pretend its a level playing field eh?
Its all relative anyway,
- is it fair that I drive in a dedicated racing room with a decent PC, a top quality Simracing chassis, good controls, a 37 inch flatscreen, track IR, decent sounds, etc etc.
And you may be racing me with a keyboard using your laptop screen - possibly in the same room as the rest of your family with all of its distractions, - how fair is that?
If we were both using cockpit view, it still would not be fair would it?
Nobody is telling anybody how they are supposed to play - unless I missed something.
I think the discussion is more about whether or not there are advantages in chase view over cockpit view.
If you choose to take it personally, thats your problem
Sorry but thats is exactly how it works - its exactly the same with brake fade,
The only difference here is that brake fade can be scary, the harder you press the pedal - the worse it gets.
[quote=Frankestein01nl;648657]You would be if you had the money for one of these?! (a light physical wreck then..but grinning from ear to ear!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYNPdjjSDrQ
Nah not really, the concept just don't work for me - if I had a motion simulator, it would have to be the full deal with screen attached.
Cash is not a problem, this is my chassis -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYNPdjjSDrQ
Nah not really, the concept just don't work for me - if I had a motion simulator, it would have to be the full deal with screen attached.
Cash is not a problem, this is my chassis -
Coming from games like GTR 2, GT Legends, and rFactor etc, I like the feel of LFS, but the sounds are well iffy and compare miserably with Simbin/blimey games.
Also there is no sound made when you run over kerbs etc, which is not very good for bass shakers.
But I like the feel of the cars and you have to drive properly to get good times, as a "sim" should do.
I miss the real cars and tracks - but the driving is good and online competition is great.
Also there is no sound made when you run over kerbs etc, which is not very good for bass shakers.
But I like the feel of the cars and you have to drive properly to get good times, as a "sim" should do.
I miss the real cars and tracks - but the driving is good and online competition is great.
Don't have a mental prob at all - if you want to drive your car whilst hanging from a glider that is fastened to your rear bumper - perhaps it someone else that has mental probs.
I don't give a toss how you drive your car, if you can't handle driving from the seat like most real cars are driven (really its true, honest), then that's up to you - but don't tell me that there is no advantage in driving with swingcam, you are kidding yourself - but not me.
As far as I'm concerned if you use swingcam you are playing a driving "game", like some newby ten year old, - get in the seat and sweat it out like the rest of us.
You think its harder - yeah sure it is, but at least you aint got a full face helmet restricting your view - as does your seat, and your movement aint restricted by umpteen layers of fireproof clothing, - and you aint a physical wreck after just a couple of laps of the extreme forces that a real driver is subject to.
As a racing clutch, it is pretty realistic - though as a racing clutch it should be very keen with drive being taken up within the last few mm of pedal travel.
- this is so that a fast change can be done by just "blipping" the clutch pedal.
A racing clutch will also burn out very quickly and you only really use it to get off the line and at pitstops. - They definitley will not take the abuse of constant use like a normal family car.
I have seen quite a few clutches burn out in F1
- this is so that a fast change can be done by just "blipping" the clutch pedal.
A racing clutch will also burn out very quickly and you only really use it to get off the line and at pitstops. - They definitley will not take the abuse of constant use like a normal family car.
I have seen quite a few clutches burn out in F1
Being able to see over the cars in front and down the next straight or around the next bend is a big advantage if you can avoid an obstruction rather than run into it.
And from a racers point of view - mirrors are handy but what is behind you don't matter, getting past you is their problem
And from a racers point of view - mirrors are handy but what is behind you don't matter, getting past you is their problem
Seriously mate - I use that mod, it gives you all the feel you need, and you really don't want or need to press any harder.
It also feels exactly like a real brake - as it says, you can only use it in a strong race frame.
Still its your cash, and its for you to make the choice - good luck
It also feels exactly like a real brake - as it says, you can only use it in a strong race frame.
Still its your cash, and its for you to make the choice - good luck
I am a realism freak, and will always use cockpit view, but that is my choice.
As a game you can pick any view you want, as a sim it has to be cockpit view, my reasoning is this
I want to see hear and feel as near as possible what a real driver see's hear's and feels - you cannot do that from any view other than cockpit.
From the driving seat you are naturally more aware of what the car is doing and how it feels - you have more reference points and all driving feel and forces are better percieved from the drivers seat.
To those who say "there is no advantage in chase cam" - rubbish, with chase cam you can see over the top of cars in front and you can see further ahead and around corners, maybe not cheating exactly but a definite big advantage as you will be able to react quicker to a situation further up the road that the car in front cannot even see yet.
Using chase cam is your choice but don't try kidding yourself and us that there is no advantage.
If I was racing for prizes or cash I would race with forced cockpit view only.
As a game you can pick any view you want, as a sim it has to be cockpit view, my reasoning is this
I want to see hear and feel as near as possible what a real driver see's hear's and feels - you cannot do that from any view other than cockpit.
From the driving seat you are naturally more aware of what the car is doing and how it feels - you have more reference points and all driving feel and forces are better percieved from the drivers seat.
To those who say "there is no advantage in chase cam" - rubbish, with chase cam you can see over the top of cars in front and you can see further ahead and around corners, maybe not cheating exactly but a definite big advantage as you will be able to react quicker to a situation further up the road that the car in front cannot even see yet.
Using chase cam is your choice but don't try kidding yourself and us that there is no advantage.
If I was racing for prizes or cash I would race with forced cockpit view only.
Part of the problem with the G25 is that there is no progressive feel to the brake pedal.
This is important when H andT shifting as you need to be able to use the brake pedal to pivot your right foot onto the gas pedal so you can blip it whilst applying a strong constant pressure to the brake.
There is a cheap simple mod for this, but you need a racing chassis or to fix your pedals securely as this mod makes the pedal feel real with realistic foot pressure.
You can read about the mod at the Nixim forum over at Racesimcentral, I use it and it totally transformes the feel of the G25 pedals
This is important when H andT shifting as you need to be able to use the brake pedal to pivot your right foot onto the gas pedal so you can blip it whilst applying a strong constant pressure to the brake.
There is a cheap simple mod for this, but you need a racing chassis or to fix your pedals securely as this mod makes the pedal feel real with realistic foot pressure.
You can read about the mod at the Nixim forum over at Racesimcentral, I use it and it totally transformes the feel of the G25 pedals
To be honest, I have upgaraded but I still only race on the Demo sure there are plenty of nobheads goin the wrong way etc etc, but I have also had some very good racing too.
There's plenty out there, checkout the hardware at Racesimcentral.
I bought a Nixim Racecraft GT (www.nixim.com) - which I consider to be the very best static simulator - very very adjustable, lots of options and somewhere to mount everything.
Some may consider it expensive, but as a custom made chassis, I consider mine extremely good value.
I bought a Nixim Racecraft GT (www.nixim.com) - which I consider to be the very best static simulator - very very adjustable, lots of options and somewhere to mount everything.
Some may consider it expensive, but as a custom made chassis, I consider mine extremely good value.
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