You all understood me wrong, when i talked about shaders, i dont necesarily want eye candy in this game, which lowers fps considerably, but at least use some sahders to create dynamic head lights, tail lights. Racing in LFS and say for example a faster car uses its flashes to signal to u, that you should move, well unless that car is very close, its hard to see in the mirrors, even with the highes LOD for mirrors. Im just sayin it would be nice, to(next to the texture change, add some flash effects to make the lights more visible). And on another note, wqhen we do go into night time racing, it would be nice to create some nice head lights, (that actually light up the road). Thats all that i want from LFS in DX9, nothing more. And yes your right, this did get way off topic. :P