Well, It seems that even at 0,992, superpi always freezes. But, prime95 runs 24+ hours without error, games also, so I'll hang with 0.976 till It's error free.
Hm, I'm curious what's the lowest voltage it would run stable, if I let's say lower the multiplier and run it 6*333. Thats the next challenge

Quote from DragonCommando :

Even though the clock is staying the same, there will be internal errors because of how the CPU works.

CPU's use two voltages to do what they do, they call them Logic High, and Logic Low. these are 1 and 0 respectively.

If you run the CPU voltage too low it will start running into errors where it gets a low voltage (0) on a logic gate that should be high (1). you won't get instability right away because of internal error correction, but it will hurt the performance of the processor because it has to spend time to correct errors.

My prescott had majour problems with this before I upped the voltage, it got bad enough that I had loop errors that would completely hard lock the computer under load.

If the processor is designed to run at a set voltage, it should be run at that voltage.

After all the tests I've ran, I haven't noticed any kind of slowdown under any tests yet, nor any games and applications.

Quote from DragonCommando :

The problem with running the CPU lower is you lose performance long before you actualy get low enough to be unstable.

Im only lowering the voltage, not the clock of the CPU. If it can do stock clocks at lower voltage, why not? Less heat, less power consumption.

And about the challenge.. at 0,976 superpi ran into an error, although it was prime stable until windows update restarted my PC. Trying 0,984 now.
Btw, it runs 7*500 at stock voltage (~1,22), but for now, I'm trying to find the lowest possible voltage for stock clocks.

I'm running an E8200 in a ASUS P5K Pro, with Thermalright HR-01 Plus in 'passive' mode. Case fans on the top and rear, but the heatsink has no fans. Load temps are around 40-42C in 18C room.

Didn't really find a related topic, so I made one.
Today's challenge: E8200 @ 2660 mhz @0,976V. 0,99 was prime stable for almost 16 hours, now it's time to go lower.

Quote from pb32000 :

I honestly don't see how playing LFS helps really. It doesn't teach you how your car reacts to sliding etc, only experience will. I reckon after about 3 years of driving my car I'm pretty confident of it's abilities and limitations, but LFS hasn't taught me that.

LFS does help when it comes to car control. Or maybe I just born to drive

Quote from chanoman315 :

Oh, you got the WR?

Quote from chanoman315 :

Unless someone beats the current WR, he just sends the replay and he's done.

Yea, thats what I was trying to point out :P

Quote from chanoman315 :

MarcG, an easy way to get a new game

I'm not that sure

Sliding is never faster than not sliding in a corner. Sometimes you see people letting it slide on corner entry, or mid-corner is mostly because of the corrections to make the turn, and sometimes just to cure the understeering or any other 'illness' of the car at the exact moment. It's always faster if you can do it without these corrections, but with the more powerful cars it's not that easy to do a fully clean lap without any errors or mistakes.
I do slide it a bit if necessary, but I'm always trying to be as smooth as it can be. Many times the car is set up to suit most of the corners, but it cant suit all of them. And in those turns you gotta solve it somehow, and then the slide happens.
Also, the powerful cars are much more forgiving when it comes to sliding in corners that the weak ones, where you gotta carry all your momentum out of the corner.
I think hotlaps would be the same if tire physics were perfect.

Trust me, you don't gain time by cutting there. You mess the last turn if you hit the grass in the chicane. And the time gained in the chicane isn't compareable to the time you lose in the last turn. No matter if you cut with 2 wheels or 4. Try it, check it.

Well I don't really break the speed limits, I always flow with the traffic. Fastest I've gone was around 170km/h measured by the clock with a '05 1.9PDTDI T5, on my way to Radfeld Thats probably around 155km/h, the clock lies a lot in this one.

Quote from Luke.S :

Are you blind :P "due for release in 2009 on Microsoft Windows"

Well yea, I missed that :P

Wow, it looks real fun. Too bad we wont have it on PC

I'd go for the intel, even if it's clocked lower, it has much more overclocking potency, and they are running much cooler.
Just built a system for my little bro, 5200+, 2GB ram and an HD3870. I regret chosing AMD, but didn't have a chance to go for the Intel, because of the lack of time (store didn't have any Intel in that price range). GTA runs, but gives around 15-20 fps in average, with all the things set to minimum that use mostly CPU.
So go for the Intel, even a low-end one can easily hit 3-3,5+ghz.
And for the PSU, don't overrate it too much. The closer they are running to the peak output, the more efficient they are. I'm not saying that 400W one would fit the system, but a 450-500W branded PSU is enough. I'm using a 5 yr old 460W Enermax, has no problem with a C2D@4ghz, 4gb ram, HD4850, 6 HDDs and 5 fans.

I usually use the following format:

FOX_ky2r_r1 means qual set for Kyoto Nat reversed.
FOX_ky2r_r1R is the race one.

On our team we use different tags, for example if norbi or mihu makes a set, its called FOX_ky2r_a1 or FOX_ky2r_m1. After a while, or next year I usually rename them like FZR_as5_moe_07_R or MRT_fe4_a2_07 etc.

Quote from mutt107 :

im just wondering if this could run gta iv at med to high settings?

Seen bit slower notebooks running GTA 4 with decent speed, so I think it will do ok. Not fine, but will be playable.

Quote from chanoman315 :

I die when police tries to arrest me, is cheaper...

Yea, but I just couldn't kill myself while I was drunk, couldn't climb the stairs, nor pick a weapon. The police came from nowhere, 3 of them. Picked up Packie from the hospital next day

Getting there... The only time I got busted was when I took Packie for a drink. Then on the way to the car a guy pushed me, hit Packie, and fell into a hole There was stairs going up, but couldn't manage to get upstairs while being drunk. Gonna make a vid of it soon, had some funny moments and positions

New one in the list. I'll do some clockwise tracks in the future, and some shorter, tighter ones as well. Enjoy.

Quote from Velociround :

Did you try this one? http://www.rockstargames.com/support/IV/PC/patch/index.html
It's a .rar file. I think it should work



I think shadows on very high are good (although could be much better) but I think the amount of memory it uses is ridiculous.

True, but - at least at me - it doesn't really decrease fps, but view distance does. So I rather have shadows on very high, than bigger view distance.

I also have some improvement on the fps side, but shadows - even at highest - are still like airbrush from paint.

Started with Accolade Grand Prix Circuit back in school, then in 2000 I got my first PC. NFS3, Sports Car GT, Rally championship 2000, Colin 1&2 then without a wheel I played F1 Championship season 2000, one of the worst F1 games to date, and F1CH98-02. Then a big gap till I bought a new wheel, and LFS came.
I played several other games, but I played the rest just for fun.

Quote from amp88 :

The more important question, IMHO, is how much higher is the rendering frame rate than the refresh rate of the monitor? What's the point in getting huge framerates when you could just increase the resolution, level of detail or AA/AF and still get a framerate above that of the monitor?

Running with maxed out settings, 8xAA and 16xAF. I think my high fps is because of the resolution i use (1280*768).

Quote from (FIN)Eza :

:headbang: 500 FPS eh?

Had to test what it takes to reach that magic number..

4.5ghz E8600 with highly overclocked 4870..
All settings max + 1680x1050 with 4xAA 8xAF

Went to westhill hotlap alone with MRT and FPS was jumping between 330-480, but never went up to 500 in normal driving condition with cockpit view.. But shift+u helped and if you weren't too close to your car, FPS actually jumped to 500+

Conculsion, you need mucho power to reach 500!

PS. screenie included

Well, I usually have my fps capped at 500 on any track. It doesn't go any higher, nor any lower than 400 while in singleplayer. Even in multiplayer I get 400-500 with 1-2-3 cars around. It just never went above 500

PS: with E8200 @ stock clocks.

Quote from The Very End :

May I request it as one package? All layouts in one zip?

See 1st post. Also, 2 tracks added.