... i don't understand the merits of that, though i do understand its applications. couldn't you remap the H-box into a sequential using the middle two slots, since its a FFB joystic?

one more thing, since you put on an actual steering wheel, won't it cause extra stress on the systems inside the DFP, as it's designed for a plastic wheel? thanks

yeah its mainly to teach how to drift, but experineced drifters that forgot the craft (like yourself) can take part as well. what damage could it do, but enhance your skills, especially when taught by the best?

god damn.

one question: why do you have two shifters? unless one is a 'handbrake'?

and i like how you just had a random calculator in the first set of pics

dude, omgwtfbbq is your aim?

pm me your email or post it in the other thread.

basically the way i've arranged the lessons, the methods of weight shifting will be taught first, then drivetrain shocking, then power-induced methods. and manual clutch is ALWAYS preferred.

lesson 3 has just been added to the syllabus. check it out here: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=78250#post78250

i'm currently reviewing the syllabus. but shift-lock is a somewhat more difficult technique to master.

good times good times

hmm, that's kinda like what valve is doing with halflife...

np

you will be notified ahead of time when a DES is coming up. check the other thread in this board with stars around it, and do as it says.

for those of you that cannot see the headers, logo, and footers in the stickied threads, go into your user CP, go to edit options in the sidebar, scroll down to Thread Display Options, and check Show Images (including attached images and images in [IMG] code).

not a 24/7 server, no. but that is in the works.

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go sign up in the league thread please

again, check out the new board for updates, as sam and i have done a lot of work on it.

http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=53

also, i need all rtdc members' emails so i can add you to a newsgroup and keep in touch. pm me, im me, w/e you do, get your email to me ASAP.

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I need your emails ASAP so that i can add you all to my gmail and contact all of you easily. please PM me or post your emails here.

the first drift education session (DES) will likely be some time next weekend.

EDIT: T7R| Shaun "Fordman" Clarke has just joined [RTDC]! thanks for believing in the cause, everyone!

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the thing is, drifting is mainly about reaction and instinct. you can teach techinique, how to slide a car, how to control it, but when you're asking how to take a corner, everyone takes it differently. many people like to take the inside, feint to out then intiate a drift. many others choku-dori (basically a feint, except drifting). I kansei (basically lift off throttle while turning in at high speed, then jumping back on throttle). it's all up to your personal tastes.

list will be updated.

EVERYONE, VICTOR HAS BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO CREATE A SUB-FORUM FOR RTDC. CHECK IT OUT HERE:

http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=53

DISCUSSION, APPLICATIONS, AND NEWS WILL BE POSTED THERE.

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Post your setup and technique questions here!

Here is a tutorial written by our very own Sam Aardema (Pronounced Some Ayrduhmuh, with the Ayr like Ayrton Senna), about how to maximize your drifting experience in S2.
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Okay, I already noticed it from the S2 demo that alot of people are putting drifting down because they think it has gotten too hard.

Yes, it has changed. Quite alot actually. I see most people in S2 trying to drift the cars as if it is S1. Obviously this does not work.

In S2 with the new steering lock, tire wear and increased traction, drifting seems alot harder.
More traction means having to put more effort to get the car sideways, a smaller steering lock means you have less ability to correct and recover errors, tire wear creates a need to drift 'economical' with tires.
Whereas in S1 you could just put the throttle down and drift all over the place. If you go a bit too far you still had 45° of steering lock so yeah, no problem drifting.

So it seems like drifting in S2 is alot harder and yes, it isn't motivating to be spinning out alot and I admit, I spun out alot in the beginning of S2.
But, what I would like to show you, is that drifting in S2 has become even better. Not is it just more realistic, it's much more fun!

All it takes is a little change from you and on the other side, a change of your car setups. The small steering lock has made it alot harder with stiff setups that most of us used in S1 and thus doing the same in S2. But if you give the car, first of all, a softer suspension with enough bodyroll, you will see that it is alot easier than you might've thought to maintain control with the small wheel lock.

I'm going to give you a small tutorial of how to setup your own car to drift in S2 this way:
Note: This is not the only way to set a car up to drift but it is a great way to get good control.

* First of all, one of the most important, the suspension. Give the car not much stiffness, not much bump damping, medium to high rebound damping and (almost) no anti-roll.

* When a car drifts you would want as much control as possible. During a drift, the weight shifts on one side, putting more stress on one side than the other. This way, normally your front wheels will not get an ideal contact patch with the ground, giving you less control, as your car is angled outside the corner.
To improve the contact patch during a drift, you need some negative camber on the front wheels, because this will give the wheels a slightly angled position. As your weight shifts through a drift, the car's angle makes the angled wheels get a horizontal position, so it gives you alot more control.
In short, give the front wheels a -1 to -3 camber, depending on the amount of bodyroll. (More bodyroll, more negative camber).

* Give the rear wheels a bit less traction by increasing the pressure, (possibly choosing ROAD_NORMAL tires instead of ROAD_SUPER) and/or giving it some camber. (Warning, too much camber on the rear wheels will wear the tires out real fast).

* Get the brakes to hold your drift while braking, not stabilising the car. To do this, simply set the brake balance(front) to around 50. Try and play with this setting and see what's best for the car and setup. To test it, start a drift and brake, if the car stays drifting without stabilising the car again, they are good.

Those are about the main things you need to do to set your car up.

My point is that it is alot easier with such settings. I can recover and correct much better this way instead of using the traditional setups most people use. These setups indeed make it hard to correct with the 36° steering lock. Before, I had alot of trouble and I often spun out. Now, I love drifting. I even think it is better than ever. We have more traction giving you more control over the car. The only problem would be the small steering lock but that can be ressolved by doing what I did.

For those that do not quite understand the tutorial you can try my soft XR GT Turbo setup, or my soft FZ50 setup.

If you don't like these setups, try my stiffer variants: Stiff XR GT Turbo setup and Stiff FZ50 setup.

Some quick tips:
Try and get a feel for the car, measure its limits and how far you can go over the limit when drifting. If you go too far, your car will spin out of control leaving you helpless. To avoid this from happening, try not to throw the cars into corners with full throttle and full lock. Only apply full throttle when initiating a drift if you know you can. Wise throttle control makes you drift much more controlled, as it doesnt really create unexpected spin-outs. Also, this spares your tires so you are able to drift longer. The more your tires get worn, the less throttle you should apply because your rear will slide much more easily and when it does there isnt much to control it left, so be easy on the throttle.

If you feel like the car is going to spin out, release the throttle quickly but gently and countersteer as much and quickly as you can.

If you do all the above correctly, you will see that you have significant more control than in the previous S1, because you have more grip now.

Here are some replays I made to show you how relatively easy it is to drift in S2 with my method.
XR GT Turbo on BL GP - Demo style!
FZ50 - South City Long Reversed - Awesome car on a classic track!
XR GT Turbo - Fern Bay Black Reversed - Couldnt be any more oldskool, the drifter's heaven in my favorite S1 car.

I really hope to see some more drifting in S2. There's a fair amount of people drifting in S2 but it's alot less compared to S1. Drifting being too hard is a lame excuse. Unless you're a sissy that cannot adapt just a bit. Grin

See you either sideways next to me or in my rear mirror! Cool

- Diesel
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